Running question: treadmill and shoes
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Once you do get to the running store and properly fitted, internet shopping is your friend:) I know what fits my foot and works for my running, and can shop online for sales (usually 6pm.com or holabird for my Mizunos). It can take a few tries, though. Good luck finding something that works for you.1
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Thanks again, everyone. I've bookmarked this to keep all the suggestions.0
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mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »This fixed the problem for me.
Yet you advised it whilst knowing nothing more about the originator and her running, I'd also observe that your rationale as to why it has the potential to help is flawed, which demonstrates a lack of understanding of biomechanics.
I've pointed this out to you before, but other research has indicated that forcing a change in gait doesn't reduce injury rates, it just changes the nature of the injuries; from shin to calf.
You're just not getting it. Lets keep things in perspective. The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is? It's because they're being battered. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. How do you lessen the abuse they take? By absorbing the shock caused by striking the ground into your calf. How do you do that? By landing more towards the front of your foot. How much do you want to bet she's been heal striking? Does changing your strike increase the risk of injury at first? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. It has to be done. The risk can be mitigated when care is taken.
Apparently it does. See my post about my IT band issue. It has NOTHING to do with my knee, yet my knee hurt. Again, you are assuming every issue is the same as yours.MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is?
Knee pain can be caused by a range of different problems:- I've identified the over-reach issue above, which causes excessive torque and takes the kneecap out of alignment
- Overuse - As a result of doing too much, too soon or trying to go too fast.
- General wear and tear, particularly in someone who has been sedentary or is overweight. This exacerbates the overuse
- Hamstring/ Quadricep imbalance, which affects the joint alignment
- Shin/ calf stength imbalance
- Overpronation - Torque loading again
- Underpronation - Propagates the landing stress up through the leg, hip and back
- Core strength issues, which cause the pelvic cradle to tip forward leading to excessive tension in the IT Band, which generates a significant tension under the knee joint. Note that the pelvic cradle tipping backwards generates back pain
- Vertical stability in the spine and posterior chain
Without much more information it's near impossible to tell which it is.
The issue here is that in an open forum one has no idea whether the person giving advice has any real knowledge of the discipline or not. You might be getting someone who is sharing their own personal experience, or you might get a trail running coach. It's difficult to tell, although generally if I'm seeing someone throwing out advice not based on any understanding of the problem, it's probably the former.
Your trail running coach is likely to ask a few questions before giving much advice.
How much you both wanna bet my recommendation solves the problem?
I just wanted to add that the knee pain I had when I started running outdoors was due to overreaching. Once I started landing with my feet under my hips and used softer landings, my knee pain went away.2 -
BeeerRunner wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »This fixed the problem for me.
Yet you advised it whilst knowing nothing more about the originator and her running, I'd also observe that your rationale as to why it has the potential to help is flawed, which demonstrates a lack of understanding of biomechanics.
I've pointed this out to you before, but other research has indicated that forcing a change in gait doesn't reduce injury rates, it just changes the nature of the injuries; from shin to calf.
You're just not getting it. Lets keep things in perspective. The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is? It's because they're being battered. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. How do you lessen the abuse they take? By absorbing the shock caused by striking the ground into your calf. How do you do that? By landing more towards the front of your foot. How much do you want to bet she's been heal striking? Does changing your strike increase the risk of injury at first? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. It has to be done. The risk can be mitigated when care is taken.
Apparently it does. See my post about my IT band issue. It has NOTHING to do with my knee, yet my knee hurt. Again, you are assuming every issue is the same as yours.MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is?
Knee pain can be caused by a range of different problems:- I've identified the over-reach issue above, which causes excessive torque and takes the kneecap out of alignment
- Overuse - As a result of doing too much, too soon or trying to go too fast.
- General wear and tear, particularly in someone who has been sedentary or is overweight. This exacerbates the overuse
- Hamstring/ Quadricep imbalance, which affects the joint alignment
- Shin/ calf stength imbalance
- Overpronation - Torque loading again
- Underpronation - Propagates the landing stress up through the leg, hip and back
- Core strength issues, which cause the pelvic cradle to tip forward leading to excessive tension in the IT Band, which generates a significant tension under the knee joint. Note that the pelvic cradle tipping backwards generates back pain
- Vertical stability in the spine and posterior chain
Without much more information it's near impossible to tell which it is.
The issue here is that in an open forum one has no idea whether the person giving advice has any real knowledge of the discipline or not. You might be getting someone who is sharing their own personal experience, or you might get a trail running coach. It's difficult to tell, although generally if I'm seeing someone throwing out advice not based on any understanding of the problem, it's probably the former.
Your trail running coach is likely to ask a few questions before giving much advice.
How much you both wanna bet my recommendation solves the problem?
I just wanted to add that the knee pain I had when I started running outdoors was due to overreaching. Once I started landing with my feet under my hips and used softer landings, my knee pain went away.
In other words, you switch from heal striking more towards forefoot striking?0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »BeeerRunner wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »This fixed the problem for me.
Yet you advised it whilst knowing nothing more about the originator and her running, I'd also observe that your rationale as to why it has the potential to help is flawed, which demonstrates a lack of understanding of biomechanics.
I've pointed this out to you before, but other research has indicated that forcing a change in gait doesn't reduce injury rates, it just changes the nature of the injuries; from shin to calf.
You're just not getting it. Lets keep things in perspective. The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is? It's because they're being battered. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. How do you lessen the abuse they take? By absorbing the shock caused by striking the ground into your calf. How do you do that? By landing more towards the front of your foot. How much do you want to bet she's been heal striking? Does changing your strike increase the risk of injury at first? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. It has to be done. The risk can be mitigated when care is taken.
Apparently it does. See my post about my IT band issue. It has NOTHING to do with my knee, yet my knee hurt. Again, you are assuming every issue is the same as yours.MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is?
Knee pain can be caused by a range of different problems:- I've identified the over-reach issue above, which causes excessive torque and takes the kneecap out of alignment
- Overuse - As a result of doing too much, too soon or trying to go too fast.
- General wear and tear, particularly in someone who has been sedentary or is overweight. This exacerbates the overuse
- Hamstring/ Quadricep imbalance, which affects the joint alignment
- Shin/ calf stength imbalance
- Overpronation - Torque loading again
- Underpronation - Propagates the landing stress up through the leg, hip and back
- Core strength issues, which cause the pelvic cradle to tip forward leading to excessive tension in the IT Band, which generates a significant tension under the knee joint. Note that the pelvic cradle tipping backwards generates back pain
- Vertical stability in the spine and posterior chain
Without much more information it's near impossible to tell which it is.
The issue here is that in an open forum one has no idea whether the person giving advice has any real knowledge of the discipline or not. You might be getting someone who is sharing their own personal experience, or you might get a trail running coach. It's difficult to tell, although generally if I'm seeing someone throwing out advice not based on any understanding of the problem, it's probably the former.
Your trail running coach is likely to ask a few questions before giving much advice.
How much you both wanna bet my recommendation solves the problem?
I just wanted to add that the knee pain I had when I started running outdoors was due to overreaching. Once I started landing with my feet under my hips and used softer landings, my knee pain went away.
In other words, you switch from heal striking more towards forefoot striking?
Have you ever actually ran? Serious question. If you think you can't heel strike when shortening your stride I have really wonder.....0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »BeeerRunner wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »This fixed the problem for me.
Yet you advised it whilst knowing nothing more about the originator and her running, I'd also observe that your rationale as to why it has the potential to help is flawed, which demonstrates a lack of understanding of biomechanics.
I've pointed this out to you before, but other research has indicated that forcing a change in gait doesn't reduce injury rates, it just changes the nature of the injuries; from shin to calf.
You're just not getting it. Lets keep things in perspective. The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is? It's because they're being battered. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. How do you lessen the abuse they take? By absorbing the shock caused by striking the ground into your calf. How do you do that? By landing more towards the front of your foot. How much do you want to bet she's been heal striking? Does changing your strike increase the risk of injury at first? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. It has to be done. The risk can be mitigated when care is taken.
Apparently it does. See my post about my IT band issue. It has NOTHING to do with my knee, yet my knee hurt. Again, you are assuming every issue is the same as yours.MeanderingMammal wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »The OP said her knees hurt from running. Why do you think that is?
Knee pain can be caused by a range of different problems:- I've identified the over-reach issue above, which causes excessive torque and takes the kneecap out of alignment
- Overuse - As a result of doing too much, too soon or trying to go too fast.
- General wear and tear, particularly in someone who has been sedentary or is overweight. This exacerbates the overuse
- Hamstring/ Quadricep imbalance, which affects the joint alignment
- Shin/ calf stength imbalance
- Overpronation - Torque loading again
- Underpronation - Propagates the landing stress up through the leg, hip and back
- Core strength issues, which cause the pelvic cradle to tip forward leading to excessive tension in the IT Band, which generates a significant tension under the knee joint. Note that the pelvic cradle tipping backwards generates back pain
- Vertical stability in the spine and posterior chain
Without much more information it's near impossible to tell which it is.
The issue here is that in an open forum one has no idea whether the person giving advice has any real knowledge of the discipline or not. You might be getting someone who is sharing their own personal experience, or you might get a trail running coach. It's difficult to tell, although generally if I'm seeing someone throwing out advice not based on any understanding of the problem, it's probably the former.
Your trail running coach is likely to ask a few questions before giving much advice.
How much you both wanna bet my recommendation solves the problem?
I just wanted to add that the knee pain I had when I started running outdoors was due to overreaching. Once I started landing with my feet under my hips and used softer landings, my knee pain went away.
In other words, you switch from heal striking more towards forefoot striking?
Have you ever actually ran? Serious question. If you think you can't heel strike when shortening your stride I have really wonder.....
I'm asking a question. What you think I'm thinking is wrong.0
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