How to cut sugar?
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OP welcome to MFP. It's great you are interested in reading and understanding what your body needs in order to optimize your success. Others have already provided good information about the difference b/w added and natural sugar (chemically really nothing and biochemically in your body no difference at all). Many people here on MFP don't even track sugar, finding fiber or other measures more helpful, absent a medical condition.
It might be helpful for you to spend some time reading the stickied "most helpful forum posts" at the top of each forum section as there is a wealth of knowledge available in many topics.
My standard advice (barring any medical conditions):
1. Enter your stats and a reasonable goal/rate of loss to obtain an appropriate calorie target
2. Eat a variety of foods within that calorie goal focusing on those that provide nutrition (macro and micro nutrients), satiety (fills you up) and enjoyment (helps with adherence)
3. Log everything eat consistently, honestly, and accurately - ideally using a food scale for solids.
4. Exercise if you enjoy it, eating back a portion of those calories.
5. Be patient, monitor and adjust as real results are obtained (i.e. Change calorie goal once your own rate of loss is determined).
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What's the point of this? Everyone has said to pay attention to nutrient dense foods first. You're forgetting that we're all watching caloric intake, so if we're filling our calorie allotment with nutrient dense foods first, and then fit in some foods with added sugars, we can't, by definition, be eating "too much". Especially nowhere near the ridiculous 1/4 of our calories that was quoted in that article.
Most of us on this website are pretty savvy when it comes to nutrition, and this is why we "don't worry": about sugar. We focus on foods that are satiating and nutritious first. Then we add treats. There's no need to police the amount of sugar we're eating if we have a healthy idea of the role treats should play in our diets in the first place.
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Since joining this site, I am learning how to retrain my brain. When it comes to carbs (sugars), I always knew that the whole fruit is better then its juice; and processed sugar is bad. The food that I consumed today put me way over my planned carb total for the day. But the carbs that I consumed today was fruit. The produce would not of made it another day. It was already a previously frozen product. I was not comfortable refreezing. I really hope that I did not screw myself.0
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Since joining this site, I am learning how to retrain my brain. When it comes to carbs (sugars), I always knew that the whole fruit is better then its juice; and processed sugar is bad. The food that I consumed today put me way over my planned carb total for the day. But the carbs that I consumed today was fruit. The produce would not of made it another day. It was already a previously frozen product. I was not comfortable refreezing. I really hope that I did not screw myself.
But processed sugar isn't bad, barring a medical condition like diabetes. Like pps have said-your body processes sugar the same way, regardless of the source. Sugar in moderation is fine as long as it fits into your calorie goals.5 -
As GottaBurnEm said, what's the point? Just posting a link isn't a way to engage with what's said, and I'm sure most of us here are pretty familiar with that information (and therefore I wonder if you have misunderstood what's being said). If you have specific comments or wish to talk about anything, I'd be interested.
A few comments on the article:Added sugars make up at least 10% of the calories the average American eats in a day. But about one in 10 people get a whopping one-quarter or more of their calories from added sugar.
Like I said above, really depends on the person. If the average person gets 10% and one in ten get over a quarter, then some percentage already have under 10% or less. (I don't think I was over 10% for the most part when I was getting fat and I'm generally under 5% now when I check.) Assuming from this that everyone eats lots of sugar is wrong.Over the course of the 15-year study on added sugar and heart disease, participants who took in 25% or more of their daily calories as sugar were more than twice as likely to die from heart disease as those whose diets included less than 10% added sugar.
Here's the study: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1819573
It's about added sugar, as I said above, and again to have that much added sugar in your diet there are going to be other problems (including lots of low nutrient calories in general, from both sugar and fat and -- I'd bet anything -- inadequate amounts of vegetables, fiber, and lower than recommended amounts of fruit, whole grains, legumes, and more fatty and processed meats than lean, inadequate exercise). That's because people who ignore nutrition advice tend to ignore nutrition advice.
It claims that it was adjusted to the Healthy Eating Index, but I would want to know more about what that means, as I don't see how one could be eating a healthy diet, have the number of calories most people do who are not extremely active, and yet still consume over 25% in added sugar, which is crazy high. Especially if the foods also contain half their calories from fat, as most sugary junk foods do (sugary drinks being a big exception, but then they often have a ton of caffeine, which could be a relevant variable).Sugar-sweetened beverages such as sodas, energy drinks, and sports drinks are by far the biggest sources of added sugar in the average American’s diet. They account for more than one-third of the added sugar we consume as a nation. Other important sources include cookies, cakes, pastries, and similar treats; fruit drinks; ice cream, frozen yogurt and the like; candy; and ready-to-eat cereals.
Yes, this is a point I often make. Note: huge amount from sugary drinks, many of us do not (and never did) consume sugary drinks. One way to cut down on sugar (as you asked) is don't drink sugary drinks if you currently do.
The other things are equally obviously things that have lots of sugar and shouldn't be consumed in large amounts regularly. It also shows that people don't have lots of sugar in their diet by accident -- that they are consuming lots of sugary stuff (and lots of low nutrient stuff that also has lots of fat and calories in many of these cases) is not something they could miss.
Skipping ahead a bit:Federal guidelines offer specific limits for the amount of salt and fat we eat. But there’s no similar upper limit for added sugar.
This is out of date. Now the Dietary Guidelines recommend less than 10%. The WHO suggests that number and that less than 5% would be even better.5 -
Cut all sugar
Go through your kichen and when you find something with sugar in it...throw it away.
Start with the real bad stuff.....sweet drinks (coke & stuff like that) cookies Cakes Sweets and co.
Once you have gotten rid of all of them. go through all your processed stuff...it has got sugar in it ...throw it away.
you will now probalbly have only a few things left...fresh Fruit, Vegies, Fish & Poultry.
There is absolouteley no reason to consume refined sugar (added sugar) .....natrual sugar is ok......or have you seen somoene get fat by eating apples & drinking fresh pressed orange juice.
I've yet to understand how sugar from one source is "bad" but sugar from another source is "good". To me, the quoted post reads "Get rid of all sugar except this sugar."
Refined sugar has a different chemical composition to naturally occurring sugar. While we have evolved to process natural sugar without problem, refined sugar can be harder for some people to cope with. For these people there really is a good sugar and bad sugar.
Nope - not true at all.
You are aware that refined sugar is coming from plants don't you?
Your digestion breaks down your food into its component parts - sucrose is sucrose, fructose is fructose whether that's direct from the plant or refined.
Wish people would look at their diet as a whole and not focus one component.7 -
O.k. Thanks y'all. I think I know everything I need to know now.
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With tiny scissors, one grain at a time.5
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Table sugar is fructose and glucose, your body can use glucose right away, but the fructose has to be processed by your liver, lots of added sugar overwhelm the liver. The reason fruits are fine is the fiber in fruit slows down the digestion and does't overwhelm your liver. It's also hard to eat say 4 or 5 apples at once, so that limits the sugar intake, this is why juice can be bad as your getting the sugar of 4 apples in one glass of apple juice.
I'm a former soda/sugar addict, I went from getting well over 200 gm a day of added sugar to ~10 gm, and I've never felt better. I'm 50 and have more energy than I did when I was 30, plus my energy levels are steady and I've gone form 215 to 176 (I'm 5'9").
YMMV, but for me cutting out sugar was the greatest thing I ever did, not just for weight loss, but dental and overall health. The evidence is mounting that added sugar is really bad for you so OP I commend you for taking the steps to make a change. Don't worry about sugar in fruit/veggies, just avoid foods with added sugar. I hate to say that's easier said than done as 80% of the food at a grocery store has added sugar.
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Table sugar is fructose and glucose
So is the sugar in fruit.lots of added sugar overwhelm the liver.
Only in insane amounts and over time. Having a cookie doesn't do a thing to your liver and it ends up being worked as much as if you have an apple (similar amounts of sugar, typically).The reason fruits are fine is the fiber in fruit slows down the digestion and does't overwhelm your liver.
No. You, like many people, are getting different things confused.
Cookies tend not to be as satiating as fruit (although depends on the person) because it is more quickly digested. It really depends on the person, the cookie, and the fruit, however, as many fruits are NOT that high in fiber and are digested quite quickly -- a banana is a BETTER choice for before or during a race because it is digested quickly whereas the fat in the cookie is not. Also, some find fat satiating and fiber less so and so would likely find the cookie more satiating and fruit not satiating at all. (This is not me, but read MFP for a while. People should not make pronouncements on what is and is not satiating.)
More significantly, cookies tend to be less sating (really, satisfying) because of the pleasure one gets from them -- you don't want more because you are hungrier after eating one, you want more because sugar + fat tends to be a really hedonistic combination for us. Fruit doesn't provoke that for most (delicious as it is).
Beyond this, if one is IR (which many of us are not), carbs can be a problem when consumed alone and without much fiber because they are quickly digested and result -- not in harm to the liver -- but in an insulin spike. If you handle insulin properly this is good -- helps the carbs be used as energy, moves protein where it should go, tends to result in you feeling satisfied and less hungry after. But if one is IR, the cells won't respond to the insulin and what's supposed to happen does not. Best way to avoid this is MIXED meals and not eating carbs on their own, especially not low fiber carbs. For people like this many fruits will be a problem and eating carbs with fat (like a cookie) probably helps, although a cookie (lots of carbs, no fiber, sat fat) is probably still not going to be a great combination and is quickly digested (although perhaps not so quickly as some fruits).
The fiber has zero to do with the effect on the liver, it's just that having a moderate amount of fructose (which we get in fruit, again) is not sufficient to be a problem. It's having crazy amounts over time.It's also hard to eat say 4 or 5 apples at once, so that limits the sugar intake, this is why juice can be bad as your getting the sugar of 4 apples in one glass of apple juice.
This is an issue of excess. Obviously don't eat 4-5 cookies at a time, at least other than on a rare occasion.I'm a former soda/sugar addict, I went from getting well over 200 gm a day of added sugar to ~10 gm, and I've never felt better.
Great, but over 200 is really super high and surely it's obvious how to cut that.
I cut out added sugar entirely (not sugar) for a while and didn't find much of an effect, probably because I already ate a moderate amount (I estimate less than 10%). I now mostly eat around 5% based on when I've checked, but don't think that if one eats a balanced, healthful diet with enough protein, fiber, healthy fats, and vegetables that there's any reason to track it, since by definition (unless one is overeating) it can't be too much and the rest of that be also true.YMMV, but for me cutting out sugar was the greatest thing I ever did, not just for weight loss, but dental and overall health.
Except based on what you just said you HAVEN'T cut out sugar. You cut way back (assuming a 2000 calorie diet for the sake of math, from 40% to about 2%) in the amount of added sugar, which is great, but there's a huge range within that where most fall (and which can be healthful even according to the recommendations) and plus there's lots of other sources of sugar.
My breakfast this morning (reasonably low sugar, as I had no fruit, was still 7 g of sugar, just because I had some celeriac, cauliflower, and cottage cheese -- just coincidence it was all the white foods!).2 -
Sounds like you have your answers....Stead clear of that processed stuff....I agree with the guy above...Body don't know if it's real sugar or not...I have to watch mine or I get real Shakey....I eat my fruits early in the day..And most juice you buy packaged has a lot more added sugar stuff than a glass of fresh squeezed...Still sugar...but less....I hope the best for you!!!!!! Happy new year!!!!! Oh maybe check on MVP first....Then decide if you wanna have that...I do it all the time...Example hubby wanted taco Bell while out yesterday...Said one burrito should be OK....So I looked on MVP for nutrition.....1200 mg of sodium????? Ughhhhh no way...So I got a chicken chopped salad from the subway no cheese no dressing....I'm good!!!! Made a choice that is best for my bodies needs....You will too....
The sugar from from and "processed" sugar are the same to your body. Why do people get consed on this?
My theory is that it's the following reasoning:
(1) Eating too much soda, candy, cake, cookies, pie makes for a bad diet. (My comment: sure, true.)
(2) The problem with those foods is that they are high in sugar. (My comment: incomplete.)
(3) Therefore, sugar is the problem.
(4) But fruit has sugar (and even vegetables!), and fruit and veg are healthy, and certainly the problem with my diet has never been excessive fruit and vegetables. (My comment: for most people this is true.)
(5) Therefore, the sugar in fruit and veg must be different than the "bad sugar" in "bad foods" like cookies and cake. (My comment: nope -- this is where we go off the rails.)
Going back to 2, all this can be corrected if the person understands that excessive amounts of cookies, etc. (not cookies inherently) make for a bad diet because they lack many nutrients, are high in calories, and for many tend to be eaten in a way that displaces other more nutritious foods and perhaps also (especially with sugary soda) in a way that tends to not result in being filled up and ceasing to eat and which also might fall into a pattern of spiking blood sugar and then feeling a need to eat more when you crash. NOT because sugar is bad. If so, one doesn't have to pretend that sugars are different or else demonize apples and pears. One can acknowledge that the foods are different and unbalanced/nutrient-lacking diets are problems, as well as diets with excessive calories, not that the problem is eating foods that contain sugar.6 -
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I really don't understand why you're juicing. I get that grapefruit juice is tasty, but eating a grapefruit gives you all the fiber. Fiber is good.
I honestly don't get juicing.
Sorry for the aside.
I think I might make it my resolution to stay out of sugar threads this year. They are so pointless. I'll just say this:
Added sugar is only a problem if you're eating so much of it that you're not getting adequate nutrition from nutrient-dense foods. Otherwise, there's really not a problem with it (barring a medical condition). The recommendation regarding added sugars was made because people are not eating enough nutrient dense foods in the first place.
And now I want a grapefruit. A nice pink grapefruit. Love the things.
100% this.
Sugar is only an issue if you have blood sugar issues or if you end up too hungry and not meeting your protein or fat requirements from consuming too much of it. That's it. The only difference between sugar from fruit and refined sugar is that when you eat fruit, you consume more vitamins and fiber than say, a cookie. That's it. Sugar is sugar. And all the fiber benefits from fruit are lost when you juice (juice is actually the only thing I cut completely 4 years ago because it's pure sugar).2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sounds like you have your answers....Stead clear of that processed stuff....I agree with the guy above...Body don't know if it's real sugar or not...I have to watch mine or I get real Shakey....I eat my fruits early in the day..And most juice you buy packaged has a lot more added sugar stuff than a glass of fresh squeezed...Still sugar...but less....I hope the best for you!!!!!! Happy new year!!!!! Oh maybe check on MVP first....Then decide if you wanna have that...I do it all the time...Example hubby wanted taco Bell while out yesterday...Said one burrito should be OK....So I looked on MVP for nutrition.....1200 mg of sodium????? Ughhhhh no way...So I got a chicken chopped salad from the subway no cheese no dressing....I'm good!!!! Made a choice that is best for my bodies needs....You will too....
The sugar from from and "processed" sugar are the same to your body. Why do people get consed on this?
My theory is that it's the following reasoning:
(1) Eating too much soda, candy, cake, cookies, pie makes for a bad diet. (My comment: sure, true.)
(2) The problem with those foods is that they are high in sugar. (My comment: incomplete.)
(3) Therefore, sugar is the problem.
(4) But fruit has sugar (and even vegetables!), and fruit and veg are healthy, and certainly the problem with my diet has never been excessive fruit and vegetables. (My comment: for most people this is true.)
(5) Therefore, the sugar in fruit and veg must be different than the "bad sugar" in "bad foods" like cookies and cake. (My comment: nope -- this is where we go off the rails.)
Going back to 2, all this can be corrected if the person understands that excessive amounts of cookies, etc. (not cookies inherently) make for a bad diet because they lack many nutrients, are high in calories, and for many tend to be eaten in a way that displaces other more nutritious foods and perhaps also (especially with sugary soda) in a way that tends to not result in being filled up and ceasing to eat and which also might fall into a pattern of spiking blood sugar and then feeling a need to eat more when you crash. NOT because sugar is bad. If so, one doesn't have to pretend that sugars are different or else demonize apples and pears. One can acknowledge that the foods are different and unbalanced/nutrient-lacking diets are problems, as well as diets with excessive calories, not that the problem is eating foods that contain sugar.
You always do such a good job of laying out these explanations and where you think people's misconceptions come from. It's a shame those people never respond to to address whether those comments are representative of why they think what they do, and if that helps clarify or even change their perception. Pity.
Edited (after more coffee) To Add.... I'm hopeful that the time you take to patiently explain these things in a way that does make so much sense when one really thinks about WHY they think sugar is bad, really is helping a lot of people, they just don't re-engage to say something like "wow, I never thought about it that way" because busy or embarrassed or whatever.7 -
If you exercise more and log the exercise, MFP will adjust and allow you more sugar, carbs, fat, protein and all. Look to the nutrients section under Nutrition in the app, you'll see the amount you're allowed change with activity.0
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