Wanting to gain muscle!
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If you really want to do accessories, you can, but I would think an arm day is fairly pointless. As Charles Poliquin says, if you want to add a pound of muscle to your arms, add 10 pounds to your whole body.
Most power lifters have small arms and an underdeveloped upper chest compared to bodybuilders. If that's something OP cares about I would suggest adding in an arms day and an incline bench after bench press. I wouldn't say it's pointless at all. Actually, if OP cares a lot about aesthetics I would probably have him run a different program completely. Something from johnny candito or Mike Matthews perhaps.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »If you really want to do accessories, you can, but I would think an arm day is fairly pointless. As Charles Poliquin says, if you want to add a pound of muscle to your arms, add 10 pounds to your whole body.
Most power lifters have small arms and an underdeveloped upper chest compared to bodybuilders. If that's something OP cares about I would suggest adding in an arms day and an incline bench after bench press. I wouldn't say it's pointless at all. Actually, if OP cares a lot about aesthetics I would probably have him run a different program completely. Something from johnny candito or Mike Matthews perhaps.
Sorry. I probably shouldn't have said pointless. Probably have noted it wasn't a suggested it's not as important.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »If you really want to do accessories, you can, but I would think an arm day is fairly pointless. As Charles Poliquin says, if you want to add a pound of muscle to your arms, add 10 pounds to your whole body.
Most power lifters have small arms and an underdeveloped upper chest compared to bodybuilders. If that's something OP cares about I would suggest adding in an arms day and an incline bench after bench press. I wouldn't say it's pointless at all. Actually, if OP cares a lot about aesthetics I would probably have him run a different program completely. Something from johnny candito or Mike Matthews perhaps.
Sorry. I probably shouldn't have said pointless. Probably have noted it wasn't a suggested it's not as important.
Agreed. Compound lifting is pretty much always #1.0 -
If you aren't gaining, it's because you're not in a surplus. Start there first.TrainingSayian wrote: »I'm relatively new to the whole diet thing. But I exercise regularly. Right now I weight 152lbs at 5" 10 and I'm trying to get to 170lbs or close to it after research many say to cut first then gain. Which I have no problem with. Anyone have any suggestions for starting macro wise? Or any advice, also I do take whey protien after workouts.
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galgenstrick wrote: »If you really want to do accessories, you can, but I would think an arm day is fairly pointless. As Charles Poliquin says, if you want to add a pound of muscle to your arms, add 10 pounds to your whole body.
Most power lifters have small arms and an underdeveloped upper chest compared to bodybuilders. If that's something OP cares about I would suggest adding in an arms day and an incline bench after bench press. I wouldn't say it's pointless at all. Actually, if OP cares a lot about aesthetics I would probably have him run a different program completely. Something from johnny candito or Mike Matthews perhaps.
So I should something completely different from the strong lift 5x5? Lol there is much confusion here, no arm day, yes arm day.0 -
TrainingSayian wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »If you really want to do accessories, you can, but I would think an arm day is fairly pointless. As Charles Poliquin says, if you want to add a pound of muscle to your arms, add 10 pounds to your whole body.
Most power lifters have small arms and an underdeveloped upper chest compared to bodybuilders. If that's something OP cares about I would suggest adding in an arms day and an incline bench after bench press. I wouldn't say it's pointless at all. Actually, if OP cares a lot about aesthetics I would probably have him run a different program completely. Something from johnny candito or Mike Matthews perhaps.
So I should something completely different from the strong lift 5x5? Lol there is much confusion here, no arm day, yes arm day.
SL 5x5 and SS are both strength programs. They are focused 100% on getting as strong as possible on deadlifts, squats, bench press and overhead press. Those are the lifts focused on by power lifters for competition. If that's what you want to do then I would highly recommend SS over SL 5x5.
If you want to get strong, and also develope a good physique at the same time, then those probably are not the best programs. You would do better on a program geared towards bodybuilding that still focuses on those big lifts but also doesn't neglect the upper chest, arms, abs and calves.
That's not to say you can't get a decent physique from SS or SL, but it wouldn't be symmetrical from a bodybuilding standpoint because certain areas would be neglected and underdeveloped.
All depends on your goals.0 -
TrainingSayian wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »If you really want to do accessories, you can, but I would think an arm day is fairly pointless. As Charles Poliquin says, if you want to add a pound of muscle to your arms, add 10 pounds to your whole body.
Most power lifters have small arms and an underdeveloped upper chest compared to bodybuilders. If that's something OP cares about I would suggest adding in an arms day and an incline bench after bench press. I wouldn't say it's pointless at all. Actually, if OP cares a lot about aesthetics I would probably have him run a different program completely. Something from johnny candito or Mike Matthews perhaps.
So I should something completely different from the strong lift 5x5? Lol there is much confusion here, no arm day, yes arm day.
StrongLifts is a great program to start with.0 -
Yes I want to get stronger but get bigger and a better physique mostly. I figured the SL was a full body workout? Being a compound exercise. If it were between power lifter and bodybuilder I'd go path of body builder. With that said how far can the SL 5x5 benefit.0
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How long have you actually trained? If it's less than a year, SL is a great program to BUILD FOUNDATION. You can't build a sturdy house with a crappy foundation.TrainingSayian wrote: »Yes I want to get stronger but get bigger and a better physique mostly. I figured the SL was a full body workout? Being a compound exercise. If it were between power lifter and bodybuilder I'd go path of body builder. With that said how far can the SL 5x5 benefit.
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TrainingSayian wrote: »Yes I want to get stronger but get bigger and a better physique mostly. I figured the SL was a full body workout? Being a compound exercise. If it were between power lifter and bodybuilder I'd go path of body builder. With that said how far can the SL 5x5 benefit.
Honestly I would pick a different program that focuses on those big lifts but also includes extra work for the lagging areas since you care a lot about aesthetics.
Johnny Candito had some free BB programs
Bigger leaner stronger is pretty customizable
The book Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle has another great program.
All of those programs still focus on the compound lifts and progressive overload.
Next, I would buy the book Starting Strength no matter what you do just so you can learn the mechanics and proper form of the compound movements0 -
Certainly less than a year. I agree with you on a solid foundation, just if there would be a better program to start would rather there. Since it's a good place to start say 6-8 months at 4 days a week would be time to move to more "bodybuilding" program?
How long have you actually trained? If it's less than a year, SL is a great program to BUILD FOUNDATION. You can't build a sturdy house with a crappy foundation.TrainingSayian wrote: »Yes I want to get stronger but get bigger and a better physique mostly. I figured the SL was a full body workout? Being a compound exercise. If it were between power lifter and bodybuilder I'd go path of body builder. With that said how far can the SL 5x5 benefit.
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TrainingSayian wrote: »
Certainly less than a year. I agree with you on a solid foundation, just if there would be a better program to start would rather there. Since it's a good place to start say 6-8 months at 4 days a week would be time to move to more "bodybuilding" program?
How long have you actually trained? If it's less than a year, SL is a great program to BUILD FOUNDATION. You can't build a sturdy house with a crappy foundation.TrainingSayian wrote: »Yes I want to get stronger but get bigger and a better physique mostly. I figured the SL was a full body workout? Being a compound exercise. If it were between power lifter and bodybuilder I'd go path of body builder. With that said how far can the SL 5x5 benefit.
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Both SS and SL are 3x / week not 4. If you're going that route I would highly recommend SS over SL which is inferior in my opinion. You'll stall pretty quick eating at maintenance, especially at your weight. Also you wont be able to do 5x5 at the same weight as you could do with 3x5. You'll be lifting less.0 -
I would agree that it's best to develop a foundation (which you will see improvements to your physique) prior to get caught up in a lot of accessory work. Keep in mind that beginner programs are only meant to be worked for 3 to 12 months; or until you start seeing strength plateaus. And then you can transition. So it's not a lifetime thing. It's develop a strong foundation so when you move to the next step, you see maximum results. Try not to put the cart in front of the horse.0
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I've found a jhonny candito program for BB with aspects of strength. It is a 4 day program. Also I meant a 3 day 5x5 not a 4 day. That's all for the advice, support, and knowledge!0
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TrainingSayian wrote: »I've found a jhonny candito program for BB with aspects of strength. It is a 4 day program. Also I meant a 3 day 5x5 not a 4 day. That's all for the advice, support, and knowledge!
Awesome. Johnny candito knows his stuff. Let me know how you do on it. I'm considering running that program for a while myself.1
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