Name Change vote?
Replies
-
I think "gaining weight" was better - so there is a place for those recovering from eating disorders or illnesses for example, who are here to gain weight - that is not body building, as i understand the term.2
-
... Is there really a reason to have a "chit chat" and a "fun and games" forum? Maybe change one of those to "gaining weight"?
My understanding is that "fun and games" are for things like Would you date the person above, Pick a song starting with last letter of previous one etc - whereas chitchat is for random topics not connected to weight, nutrition or fitness - eg Do you wear underwear, discussion of movies etc
0 -
Well personally I've appreciated having a forum that is specifically about weight gain,whether it be bulking,or people who are underweight (for whatever reason) and want to gain. I've learned a lot. Mfp was the only app I've found that isn't just about weight loss. Maybe I've not been around long enough to find the Apetamin threads so tiring that it makes me stay away. I just ignore them and scroll past.
I'd agree with the suggestion to combine the fun and games/chit chat forums and have a separate weight gain forum.1 -
I am a lurk and learn kind of person. I prefer to have some knowledge and understanding before I post a question. I have to say the snails pace of this section was a little maddening when the idea of starting a bulk popped into my head. Even the most helpful posts seemed a little lacking and didn't answer a lot of questions I had.
(A post that compiled links to well respected experts would be nice! This is an area where I just didn't have enough base knowledge to sift through crap when I googled. My head was spinning trying to weed through the amount of garbage about diet and lifting and programs on the web!)0 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I don't think it would benefit us by going back to gaining weight, but I am open to suggestions if it would provide more clarity. But I will say, we often has trolls. They do get bored easily, so give it more time. In the mean time, if you do have some good ideas, please let me know. I am willing to work with things a bit. And stuff like name changes are easier and can be done by an admin.
understood- I know I was sort of divorced from the forums for a while even though still tracking- so I probably missed a lot of this. But I can see the logic.
I am hopeful as someone pointed out that it'll settle down- but I'm not crazy right- this isn't QUIET the same as it was in terms of the flow of people.
I think we have been admittedly spoiled by this little niche. And you know- change can be... ahem- difficult LOL.
As I don't have another suggestion for the good of the order- and we think going backwards isn't a good idea- perhaps we revisit in 6-9 months and see what we think?
I wouldn't even say that long. Most of the new year'ers should be done by March. So we can definitely take another look in a few months.1 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I'm mostly a lurker here - I've learned alot. This sentence actually pi**es me off. I am no where near the level alot of you in regards to fitness - my focus has been weight loss for now, and I care for my body and health just as much as you.0 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I'm mostly a lurker here - I've learned alot. This sentence actually pi**es me off. I am no where near the level alot of you in regards to fitness - my focus has been weight loss for now, and I care for my body and health just as much as you.
It wasn't meant to insult. If you care about your body outside of just weight loss, then you are in the same boat as the some of us.
And many of us are at the level you think.0 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I'm mostly a lurker here - I've learned alot. This sentence actually pi**es me off. I am no where near the level alot of you in regards to fitness - my focus has been weight loss for now, and I care for my body and health just as much as you.
I think the thing that separates this "niche" from others on MFP is that we're not exactly working out/dieting for general health/fitness. There are posters who power lift/body build competitively.
I for one am not lifting with the goal of fitness and health in mind, I lift with the goal of gaining as much muscle and strength as naturally possible for a woman. I do things and train at a level that I probably would never recommend to someone else.
I'm not saying I care more or am better than anyone else (certainly not that case), just that most people can't relate to these goals and training style.0 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I'm mostly a lurker here - I've learned alot. This sentence actually pi**es me off. I am no where near the level alot of you in regards to fitness - my focus has been weight loss for now, and I care for my body and health just as much as you.
psulemon isn't saying you don't care about your body, he's saying some people care about different things than getting to a healthy weight. You're conflating the goal of being healthy with very specified fitness goals. A lot of people lose weight, hit their goal, and are happy to maintain. That's great, they're healthy! Other people decide they need something more - they want strength and muscle gains that go beyond healthy and into elite, or they want a specific aesthetic that only highly dedicated training achieves. It really is a niche interest.
Which I guess the reason I *don't* think we need to put an emphasis on bodybuilding is that it's such a specific fitness goal. It would be the equivalent of having a subforum dedicated to running. The runners join groups or stay in F&E to discuss running, so why is bodybuilding special? (Apart from being awesome
)
Also, please don't recombine Chit Chat with Fun and Games. Even though they're both not fitness-related, they're different places with different vibes and I really don't want to wade through 50 "Rate the person above you!!!" threads to find one where people are actually having a conversation...4 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I'm mostly a lurker here - I've learned alot. This sentence actually pi**es me off. I am no where near the level alot of you in regards to fitness - my focus has been weight loss for now, and I care for my body and health just as much as you.
It wasn't meant to insult. If you care about your body outside of just weight loss, then you are in the same boat as the some of us.
And many of us are at the level you think.
I took it in the way (I think) you intended it, and I do think that historically this space has been the most welcoming place on MFP for people who are interested in lifting and improving body composition. I've learned an incredible amount about gaining, cutting and maintaining from the people who hang out here -- far more than I would've learned from people in the General Weight Loss and Maintaining forums. Historically, the mindset of the regular posters in Gaining Weight has been different, and I've appreciated that. I'm really hoping that the current uptick in broscience is just a function of it being January and that it will go back to normal, because I miss the feeling of the old forum.4 -
I troll the forums and, while they vary in participation, people who are not interested in the content generally remain silent or move on.
That said, I do think there is a fundamental difference between gaining weight and bodybuilding. They are not necessarily at cross purposes but apparently some long term "gaining wt" participants feel that the addition of "bodybuilding" in the title has dimished the quality of forum interaction for them.
Seems to me that an easy fix would to simply create 2 separate forums dealing w/these interests rather than combine them here in one.2 -
Ultimately, this came out of several other threads that I have posted in (which I post in about 90 to 95% of the post to ensure this forum is fairly active). But during the spring and summer time, there was a lot of people (post bulk) who wanted advice in cutting, people who are advanced and don't need the typical advice from F&E, F&N and GD&WL sections. So I brought up about potentially doing a name change to incorporate more people into our niche group of people who actually give two kittens about their body outside of basic weight loss. It was also a bit self serving on my par, but I was hoping if it was more inclusive to bodybuilding, that we would stop getting so many apetamin threads, followed by their follow up threads about how they hated their bodies after they used it. Surprising right.. it's not like we told them that gaining 3 to 4 lbs a week was a kitten idea.
I'm mostly a lurker here - I've learned alot. This sentence actually pi**es me off. I am no where near the level alot of you in regards to fitness - my focus has been weight loss for now, and I care for my body and health just as much as you.
There is a distinct difference in the forum as it WAS- and as it is now- and what it is compared to "general fitness"- this comment below I think is very accurate.I troll the forums and, while they vary in participation, people who are not interested in the content generally remain silent or move on.
That said, I do think there is a fundamental difference between gaining weight and bodybuilding. They are not necessarily at cross purposes but apparently some long term "gaining wt" participants feel that the addition of "bodybuilding" in the title has diminished the quality of forum interaction for them.
Seems to me that an easy fix would to simply create 2 separate forums dealing w/these interests rather than combine them here in one.
agreed- fully.
I don't know about 2 separate forums (as odds are high most of us in here would be in that one as well- because well- there is overlap)- but there is a distinct difference in the quality of comments/vibe.
0 -
I troll the forums and, while they vary in participation, people who are not interested in the content generally remain silent or move on.
That said, I do think there is a fundamental difference between gaining weight and bodybuilding. They are not necessarily at cross purposes but apparently some long term "gaining wt" participants feel that the addition of "bodybuilding" in the title has dimished the quality of forum interaction for them.
Seems to me that an easy fix would to simply create 2 separate forums dealing w/these interests rather than combine them here in one.
You don't say
I did consider asking for another forum to be created, but if we did that, we would have to get a software change (so painful). This was, at the very least, an intermediate step to growing the community of experienced lifters who are looking to work through cycles of cutting and bulking, or looking for advance knowledge in the realm of lifting. It was also intended to help those who felt lost of what to do after a bulk.
It's quite possible that bodybuilding is not the right word or phrase, but I don't know what is. My bigger issue with just gaining weight, was that it was inclusive to those who were coming off a bulk and wanted advice.
3 -
I troll the forums and, while they vary in participation, people who are not interested in the content generally remain silent or move on.
That said, I do think there is a fundamental difference between gaining weight and bodybuilding. They are not necessarily at cross purposes but apparently some long term "gaining wt" participants feel that the addition of "bodybuilding" in the title has dimished the quality of forum interaction for them.
Seems to me that an easy fix would to simply create 2 separate forums dealing w/these interests rather than combine them here in one.
You don't say
I did consider asking for another forum to be created, but if we did that, we would have to get a software change (so painful). This was, at the very least, an intermediate step to growing the community of experienced lifters who are looking to work through cycles of cutting and bulking, or looking for advance knowledge in the realm of lifting. It was also intended to help those who felt lost of what to do after a bulk.
It's quite possible that bodybuilding is not the right word or phrase, but I don't know what is. My bigger issue with just gaining weight, was that it was inclusive to those who were coming off a bulk and wanted advice.
Well I can say I appreciate you taking the time to be involved here and understanding the nuances of what is going on- that's effing awesome.2 -
Rather than a name change, a gaining weight forum with a separate Bodybuilding forum would be great. I know I'm not the only one here who is a bodybuilder and passionate about it.0
-
I troll the forums and, while they vary in participation, people who are not interested in the content generally remain silent or move on.
That said, I do think there is a fundamental difference between gaining weight and bodybuilding. They are not necessarily at cross purposes but apparently some long term "gaining wt" participants feel that the addition of "bodybuilding" in the title has dimished the quality of forum interaction for them.
Seems to me that an easy fix would to simply create 2 separate forums dealing w/these interests rather than combine them here in one.
You don't say
I did consider asking for another forum to be created, but if we did that, we would have to get a software change (so painful). This was, at the very least, an intermediate step to growing the community of experienced lifters who are looking to work through cycles of cutting and bulking, or looking for advance knowledge in the realm of lifting. It was also intended to help those who felt lost of what to do after a bulk.
It's quite possible that bodybuilding is not the right word or phrase, but I don't know what is. My bigger issue with just gaining weight, was that it was inclusive to those who were coming off a bulk and wanted advice.
I also really appreciate the insight from a mod and your willingness to talk with the group. As I said earlier, I really hope it's just general January derp and that it will go back to normal, but I wonder if it could be as easy as just replacing "Body Building" with another word(s)? Maybe "Lifting," "Weight Lifting," "Building Muscle" or "Body Composition"? (That last one will be grammatically awkward, though).1 -
If the concern is for guiding people through their first bulk and cut cycle, I think I'd vote for "Gaining Weight and Bulking/Cutting" - the issue with "bodybuilding" or "building muscle" or "body composition" is that it attracts people with a lot of weight to lose who want to lose weight and build muscle at the same time, without realizing that these goals are at odds with each other. It also distinguishes bulking and cutting from recomping. There's a lot of active discussion about recomp in the Maintaining forum already.1
-
Love the discussion. Keep it coming.
0 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »If the concern is for guiding people through their first bulk and cut cycle, I think I'd vote for "Gaining Weight and Bulking/Cutting" - the issue with "bodybuilding" or "building muscle" or "body composition" is that it attracts people with a lot of weight to lose who want to lose weight and build muscle at the same time, without realizing that these goals are at odds with each other. It also distinguishes bulking and cutting from recomping. There's a lot of active discussion about recomp in the Maintaining forum already.
I agree. Today there were a few threads on the forum which really were more about losing weight or recouping.
Guess it doesn't really matter and as someone who hasn't been here long I probably have less right to comment. Maybe I shouldn't get too "precious" about it!0 -
This might be a silly suggestion, but what about changing two forum names to accommodate?
"General Diet and Weight Loss Help" to "Need Help With Losing Or Gaining Weight?"
"Goal: Gaining Weight And Body Building" to "All Things Body Building, Bulking and Cutting" or whatever seems most appropriate?
On the former, it seems most weight loss/gain questions posted are answered very quickly, very high turnover rate for new threads, and the goals of manipulating weights generally are met with similar advice. Eat more/better or eat less/better.
The latter would give a very distinct set of goals/purposes for a forum geared specifically towards body building, even apart from the Exercise/fitness thread.
Just a thought....
0
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 394K Introduce Yourself
- 43.9K Getting Started
- 260.3K Health and Weight Loss
- 176K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.6K Fitness and Exercise
- 430 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.6K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153.1K Motivation and Support
- 8.1K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.4K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.9K MyFitnessPal Information
- 15 News and Announcements
- 1.2K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.7K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions