Keto coffee Love it or hate it?
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vikinglander wrote: »First of all, if you're going to do it, do it right. Get rid of the cream, the stevia and the cinnamon.
The whole point of this is to extend the body's natural state of ketosis through the morning hours until your midday meal. Whatever carbs you ate yesterday are burned overnight, so you are in ketosis normally when you awake. Feeding on fat first thing will extend that fat-burning period.
The Bulletproof method is to use 'clean' coffee beans, to eliminate the mold that's found in most coffee beans, because it messes with your mental clarity, supposedly. OK, if you're not willing to spend the extra money to buy clean coffee, I get that. But the idea is to use coffee, MCT oil (not just ANY coconut oil), and grassfed butter. The MCT oil is refined coconut oil that has more Medium Chain Triglycerides. Bulletproof Executive sells their own clean coffee beans and an MCT oil called Brain Octane; you can find several other similar MCT oils out there for less.
When I have used this, I brew 16 oz. of GOOD organic coffee, and add 2 Tbsp. of MCT oil and 2 Tbsp. of butter, and emulsify it in a blender. I never use sweetener because I find that it messes with my sense of sweet and induces cravings; the coconut is sweet enough. It adds up to around 480 calories, which is a meal for me. I only use this occasionally because I prefer to eat breakfast rather than drink it. It's really good for road trips, though...
And to answer your question directly, yes...I love it!
Out of curiosity, don't you think it's a bit of a conflict of interest that the people advocating "clean" coffee, grassfed butter, and unrefined coconut oils, also sell it?
And just to point out, when you eat a lot of fat, your body will store that fat as fat and increase fat oxidation. Not exactly the same as burn body fat.
My bigger issue with bullet proof coffee is the amount of calories you consume, limit your ability to get other vital vitamins and minerals. If 1/4 to 1/3 of your calories are consumed by coffee, that will eliminate your ability to get adequate potassium and magnesium, which increases the need for supplementation.4 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »What I find interesting is that spending 1/4 of your calories on coffee and butter is seen as okay, but spending 1/4 of your calories on, say, ice cream, is often seen as the biggest dieting horror and people cry "nutrition".
I know this is a derail, and I have nothing against those who like this stuff or feel like it fits their dieting style/choice of macros, what bothers me is the the kind of disconnect where drinking butter is seen as a healthy part of the diet but eating ice cream is seen as a "cheat", an unnecessary deviation, or something that needs to be defended as a totally normal dieting practice.
Don't mind me and carry on. Mini rant over.
Keto'ers would definitely think it's a bad idea. They also think adding a couple of lumps of sugar to coffee is a bad idea too. You have admit that adding straight sugar to coffee is still much much more socially acceptable than straight fat. Even if the calories are about the same.
Milk in coffee is a bit of an odd idea if you think about it. Adding the (breast) milk of a cow to hpt roasted, ground bean water is a bit odd.
I personally think high fat with high sugar is a recipe for disaster for many. Mainly those of us who can't moderate well. Eventually I'd hit a little bit of coffee with my icecream rather than the other way around.
For those who can moderate well, and take cream and sugar (double double) in your coffee, I would absolutely use icecream in cofee.... You all should be doing that!
Still. Love my coffee. Sipping it with a tablespoon of coconut cream (from the can) right now.1 -
I think it's dumb but it does taste kind of good.0
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And now we are being brainwashed to think sugar makes us fat. It's a vicious circle.
I think it's more apt to say we are just coming to finally realize that excess calories make us fat, and a diet rich in sugar tends to lead to that, as a spiking/crashing blood sugar level tends to exaggerate hunger signals.0 -
It means what I think it means. It's dumb to put butter in coffee. I can have an opinion right?0 -
I like high quality coffee, freshly ground beans, and black...
Putting butter and oil and cream, etc just *kitten* up a good cup of coffee...2 -
TheopolisAmbroiseIII wrote: »And now we are being brainwashed to think sugar makes us fat. It's a vicious circle.
I think it's more apt to say we are just coming to finally realize that excess calories make us fat, and a diet rich in sugar tends to lead to that, as a spiking/crashing blood sugar level tends to exaggerate hunger signals.
This assumes that spiking BG is causing crashes, rather than the types of foods associated with satiety. High fat doesn't keep me full very long, so even on my low carb days, I need high amounts of protein and fiber to increase satiety. On my high carb days, I rarely feel hungry.1 -
It means what I think it means. It's dumb to put butter in coffee. I can have an opinion right?
Okay... Yes, you have every right to think a food combination is dumb.0 -
It means what I think it means. It's dumb to put butter in coffee. I can have an opinion right?
Okay... Yes, you have every right to think a food combination is dumb.
Thanks. I had not finished my coffee yet and I'm wildly cranky from this deficit.0 -
What is Keto coffee?
I drink coffee from Hawaiian beans that my husband grinds at home. Black and with Splenda; nothing else goes inside my coffee cup.0 -
It means what I think it means. It's dumb to put butter in coffee. I can have an opinion right?
Okay... Yes, you have every right to think a food combination is dumb.
Thanks. I had not finished my coffee yet and I'm wildly cranky from this deficit.
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What is Keto coffee?
I drink coffee from Hawaiian beans that my husband grinds at home. Black and with Splenda; nothing else goes inside my coffee cup.
Keto coffee= black coffee, with 1 tbsp of coconut oil/or mct oil, 1 tbsp of butter, cinnamon, 2 tbsp of heavy cream. Optional with sugar substitute.0 -
@ExoticKaotic
Thank you for the clarification. I just finished lunch and I almost lost it after reading that combination
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vikinglander wrote: »
If I had the time (maybe later) I would link the article that says MCT Oil is no better than plain old unrefined coconut oil, and there are less than 1 gram of carbs in a Tbsp of heavy cream and lots of fat so it's perfectly fine for Keto. The OP never said "Bulletproof" coffee, they said "Keto" coffee.
Oh, please post this article! I would love to read it! I well understand the science behind the use of MCT oil vs. unrefined coconut oil in a keto diet, so I would love to hear your argument.
This is what I have read, but since I don't do science you can explain what you know.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mct-oil-vs-coconut-oil-the-truth-exposed/
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/mct-oil-the-coconut-oil-dregs/
https://authoritynutrition.com/mct-oil-101/0 -
I said goodbye to Starbucks Latte after drinking this... Keto coffee, where have you been my whole life? Take me and my excess 20 pounds with you!0
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vikinglander wrote: »
If I had the time (maybe later) I would link the article that says MCT Oil is no better than plain old unrefined coconut oil, and there are less than 1 gram of carbs in a Tbsp of heavy cream and lots of fat so it's perfectly fine for Keto. The OP never said "Bulletproof" coffee, they said "Keto" coffee.
Oh, please post this article! I would love to read it! I well understand the science behind the use of MCT oil vs. unrefined coconut oil in a keto diet, so I would love to hear your argument.
This is what I have read, but since I don't do science you can explain what you know.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mct-oil-vs-coconut-oil-the-truth-exposed/
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/mct-oil-the-coconut-oil-dregs/
https://authoritynutrition.com/mct-oil-101/
Fascinating and somehow, if true, I am not surprised that companies made this MCT supplement and are using it to misguide people.1 -
Sweet leaf has english toffee Stevie drop.......yummmmm0
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Johnkane44 wrote: »I even didn't try it yet. But interested for it. Hope I will try later.
If you are interested in trying, I suggest cutting the butter and oil down to a teaspoon each to see if you like it. When I first tried it, the taste itself was nice but all that fat made me gag. It was such an unpleasant feeling.0 -
vikinglander wrote: »
If I had the time (maybe later) I would link the article that says MCT Oil is no better than plain old unrefined coconut oil, and there are less than 1 gram of carbs in a Tbsp of heavy cream and lots of fat so it's perfectly fine for Keto. The OP never said "Bulletproof" coffee, they said "Keto" coffee.
Oh, please post this article! I would love to read it! I well understand the science behind the use of MCT oil vs. unrefined coconut oil in a keto diet, so I would love to hear your argument.
This is what I have read, but since I don't do science you can explain what you know.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mct-oil-vs-coconut-oil-the-truth-exposed/
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/mct-oil-the-coconut-oil-dregs/
https://authoritynutrition.com/mct-oil-101/
OK...after reading through all three of these articles, I will say that they all support the use of MCT oil in "Keto" or "Bulletproof" coffee. The four fatty acid chains found in UNrefined coconut oil are:
C6 - capric acid
C8 - caproic acid
C10 - caprylic acid
C12 - lauric acid
The industry extracts the lauric acid and sells it to the cosmetic market. What's left is MCT oil with the capric, caproic and caprylic acids. These three all can be processed easily and efficiently by the liver into ketones, which in turn can be utilized directly by the brain as an alternate to glucose. Because they can be so easily converted, they are not likely to be stored as fat.
So yes, MCT oil is NOT the same as coconut oil, but that doesn't mean it's "bad". It depends how one uses it.
I would say that to derive maximum dietary and mental benefit from emulsifying fat into one's coffee, one should consider a purist approach, and go with MCT oil and grassfed unsalted butter. If you are more concerned with sweetness or hipness, then by all means, indulge in the cream, cinnamon, cocoa powder, stevia, Splenda, and whatever else one likes. The extras aren't going to hurt you, but they add extra calories.
If you prefer to use UNrefined coconut oil instead of MCT oil, just realize that you are getting the full dose of lauric acid along with the others. Again, not a bad thing, but different.
It really is kind of a silly argument. It reminds me of something Justin Wilson used to say (he was the Cajun cook on PBS years ago): "Wh-ah-te w-ah-ne wid fish...r-ay-d w-ah-ne wid meat...No! De k-ah-nd o' w-ah-ne you lak, das de k-ah-nd o' w-ah-ne you drank!"
Enjoy whatever you drink...and count the calories!
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vikinglander wrote: »vikinglander wrote: »
If I had the time (maybe later) I would link the article that says MCT Oil is no better than plain old unrefined coconut oil, and there are less than 1 gram of carbs in a Tbsp of heavy cream and lots of fat so it's perfectly fine for Keto. The OP never said "Bulletproof" coffee, they said "Keto" coffee.
Oh, please post this article! I would love to read it! I well understand the science behind the use of MCT oil vs. unrefined coconut oil in a keto diet, so I would love to hear your argument.
This is what I have read, but since I don't do science you can explain what you know.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mct-oil-vs-coconut-oil-the-truth-exposed/
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/mct-oil-the-coconut-oil-dregs/
https://authoritynutrition.com/mct-oil-101/
OK...after reading through all three of these articles, I will say that they all support the use of MCT oil in "Keto" or "Bulletproof" coffee. The four fatty acid chains found in UNrefined coconut oil are:
C6 - capric acid
C8 - caproic acid
C10 - caprylic acid
C12 - lauric acid
The industry extracts the lauric acid and sells it to the cosmetic market. What's left is MCT oil with the capric, caproic and caprylic acids. These three all can be processed easily and efficiently by the liver into ketones, which in turn can be utilized directly by the brain as an alternate to glucose. Because they can be so easily converted, they are not likely to be stored as fat.
So yes, MCT oil is NOT the same as coconut oil, but that doesn't mean it's "bad". It depends how one uses it.
I would say that to derive maximum dietary and mental benefit from emulsifying fat into one's coffee, one should consider a purist approach, and go with MCT oil and grassfed unsalted butter. If you are more concerned with sweetness or hipness, then by all means, indulge in the cream, cinnamon, cocoa powder, stevia, Splenda, and whatever else one likes. The extras aren't going to hurt you, but they add extra calories.
If you prefer to use UNrefined coconut oil instead of MCT oil, just realize that you are getting the full dose of lauric acid along with the others. Again, not a bad thing, but different.
It really is kind of a silly argument. It reminds me of something Justin Wilson used to say (he was the Cajun cook on PBS years ago): "Wh-ah-te w-ah-ne wid fish...r-ay-d w-ah-ne wid meat...No! De k-ah-nd o' w-ah-ne you lak, das de k-ah-nd o' w-ah-ne you drank!"
Enjoy whatever you drink...and count the calories!
Serious question. Don't you think, that if one wants to take the most pure approach, that they would do unrefined coconut oil + grass fed butter because it would be the closest thing to nature and less processed? Because to get MCT, you would have to process coconut oil.
Either way, I say go wit the one you enjoy... I just struggle with that type of argument.1 -
Personally indifferent to it. If you like it drink it, if not don't. Nothing magical about it...0
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To much work.
Black coffee qualifies as keto because it's also carb-less.
Bulletproof coffee is just quite frankly way to much work- I liked it (when made properly) but meh- black coffee is the life for me.0 -
I'm staying away from the artificial sweeteners this time around - so my version of keto coffee is a latte made with my ninja coffee bar and 4oz of organic half and half (cheaper than cream, and about the same carbs), or bpc with either a little bit of half and half or nutpods creamer and a tablespoon of kerrygold (salted!). They're both delicious, and I find I don't miss the sweet, and it helps me not go overboard. Going about keto this time in a mostly primal way, and simple - no pseudo foods.0
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To much work.
Black coffee qualifies as keto because it's also carb-less.
Bulletproof coffee is just quite frankly way to much work- I liked it (when made properly) but meh- black coffee is the life for me.
It's totally a pain, but I got a ninja coffee bar for christmas with a built in frother, and it makes it mad easy!0 -
No Folgers. No Butter. No Chemicals. No Kitten.1
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brighteststitcher wrote: »To much work.
Black coffee qualifies as keto because it's also carb-less.
Bulletproof coffee is just quite frankly way to much work- I liked it (when made properly) but meh- black coffee is the life for me.
It's totally a pain, but I got a ninja coffee bar for christmas with a built in frother, and it makes it mad easy!
I have one now- I should probably give it a go- you can make it in a shaker bottle to if you want- you just have to be careful the steam from the coffee makes it a little volatile- like when you pop the top do it away from you since the pressure is high inside.0
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