Cutting refined sugar feels like death
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My hubs is addicted to sugar too. He's lost a lot of weight & got off insulin but it's a battle. He was watching a documentary about drug addiction & they said on there that sugar is more addicting than any drug
I say this as someone with a drug addiction. Sugar is not more addictive than a drug.
Thank you! As someone who very recently lost a loved one to addiction I feel like your gif every time someone says they are "addicted" to sugar.
I have lost people to addiction too, but that doesn't mean someone can't struggle with a food addiction. I'd say more people die each day from overeating than from drugs or alcohol. Obesity will kill you a full decade earlier (on average) than smoking cigarettes. This has been researched and is not simply my opinion. Obesity is one of the deadliest issues facing the modern world. Someone dying from an obesity related disease is them dying from being unable to control a substance they put into their bodies. Both are self destructive behaviors that get out of control and then take over your life.
Downplaying someone else's problems because you think yours are worse is just a you problem. I don't play the suffering Olympics because some people have compassion for more than one person at a time. Kindness and understanding are dying sentiments unfortunately.
This isn't downplaying someone else's problems, it's countering scientifically false claims that are insulting to people who had an actual addiciton. Stuff like this.illyasHodrick wrote: »" There's no such thing as cocaine withdrawal. You're just craving it because you're denying yourself it".
Comparing wanting a goddamn snickers to cocaine withdrawal is absolutely disgusting, and even if you think sugar is addictive, it would be in a completely different form from cocaine, as everyone who knows even the first thing about how cocaine works would know.10 -
stevencloser wrote: »My hubs is addicted to sugar too. He's lost a lot of weight & got off insulin but it's a battle. He was watching a documentary about drug addiction & they said on there that sugar is more addicting than any drug
I say this as someone with a drug addiction. Sugar is not more addictive than a drug.
Thank you! As someone who very recently lost a loved one to addiction I feel like your gif every time someone says they are "addicted" to sugar.
I have lost people to addiction too, but that doesn't mean someone can't struggle with a food addiction. I'd say more people die each day from overeating than from drugs or alcohol. Obesity will kill you a full decade earlier (on average) than smoking cigarettes. This has been researched and is not simply my opinion. Obesity is one of the deadliest issues facing the modern world. Someone dying from an obesity related disease is them dying from being unable to control a substance they put into their bodies. Both are self destructive behaviors that get out of control and then take over your life.
Downplaying someone else's problems because you think yours are worse is just a you problem. I don't play the suffering Olympics because some people have compassion for more than one person at a time. Kindness and understanding are dying sentiments unfortunately.
This isn't downplaying someone else's problems, it's countering scientifically false claims that are insulting to people who had an actual addiciton. Stuff like this.illyasHodrick wrote: »" There's no such thing as cocaine withdrawal. You're just craving it because you're denying yourself it".
Comparing wanting a goddamn snickers to cocaine withdrawal is absolutely disgusting, and even if you think sugar is addictive, it would be in a completely different form from cocaine, as everyone who knows even the first thing about how cocaine works would know.
Addiction : When you deprive yourself of something and to a high degree makes you emotionally and physically ill. Could you go a month without eating that Snickers bar?
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Hello_its_Dan wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »I've noticed that your posting style is different than it was 2 or 3 years ago. Might have something to do with it.
Elaborate. I'm always a student and if what I'm saying to people is offensive, I'd like to know.
Just referring to a difference in your dieting philosophy between then and now.
Some of your positions now are more likely to be challenged than your prior positions were.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I don't see any issue with eating fruit in moderation. Yes, it does contain fructose but it also has fibre and other vitamins and minerals which slow down the liver processing it.
Some fruits are higher in fructose than others. Bananas are very high as opposed to berries or kiwi fruit.Fructose from table sugar, honey, maple syrup etc are the problem as it hits the liver straight away and the liver converts to fatty acids very quickly.
I would like to see a change in food labelling laws so you can easily tell if something that has been packaged has added sugar. At the moment in Australia, you can not easily tell if the sugar has been added or it if is naturally occurring. Milk is a great example. If you looked at the sugar content of milk on the label you would think that the sugar content is quite high but the type of sugar in milk is lactose, not fructose and your body processes this type of sugar very differently. So the sugar in milk is not bad for you. I can make an informed decision in relation to fat content when I pick up packaged food because I can see the different types of fats listed. I can't do that with sugar which is very frustrating. I know giving up sugar isn't for everyone but some people are trying to "do the right thing" it is very hard if you don't have the right information.
Nah.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533803/
Stop linking to decent, peer-reviewed scientific studies. It does nothing but educate people on both reality and critical thinking skills.
Geez.
The authors are employed full time by Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM). ADM is a major oilseed and grain commodity processor and produces, among other products, fructose-containing sweeteners.
Unbiased helps too
I find this funny after you advertise a book written by Jason Fung.
SC, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Did either of you read the book?
If it's anything like the publically available things he's said time and time again which go against established science, it's neither worth my money nor my time.
Well, if established science knew squat about weight loss we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic in the US, would we? Yes, it's because people don't follow the recommendations. But, that is exactly why it doesn't work permanently for most people.
It is a great book and will help many, many people. I suggested it because I had the same issue as the OP. It could help them too. If your not into it fine, but don't say it's not great if you haven't even read it.
These 950 unbiased people tend to agree with me: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24945404-the-obesity-code
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illyasHodrick wrote: »Cocaine Addiction : Chemical Dependency When you deprive yourself of something and to a high degree makes you emotionally and physically ill. Could you go a month without eating that Snickers bar?
Fixed it for you.
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I don't see any issue with eating fruit in moderation. Yes, it does contain fructose but it also has fibre and other vitamins and minerals which slow down the liver processing it.
Some fruits are higher in fructose than others. Bananas are very high as opposed to berries or kiwi fruit.Fructose from table sugar, honey, maple syrup etc are the problem as it hits the liver straight away and the liver converts to fatty acids very quickly.
I would like to see a change in food labelling laws so you can easily tell if something that has been packaged has added sugar. At the moment in Australia, you can not easily tell if the sugar has been added or it if is naturally occurring. Milk is a great example. If you looked at the sugar content of milk on the label you would think that the sugar content is quite high but the type of sugar in milk is lactose, not fructose and your body processes this type of sugar very differently. So the sugar in milk is not bad for you. I can make an informed decision in relation to fat content when I pick up packaged food because I can see the different types of fats listed. I can't do that with sugar which is very frustrating. I know giving up sugar isn't for everyone but some people are trying to "do the right thing" it is very hard if you don't have the right information.
Nah.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533803/
Stop linking to decent, peer-reviewed scientific studies. It does nothing but educate people on both reality and critical thinking skills.
Geez.
The authors are employed full time by Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM). ADM is a major oilseed and grain commodity processor and produces, among other products, fructose-containing sweeteners.
Unbiased helps too
I find this funny after you advertise a book written by Jason Fung.
SC, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Did either of you read the book?
If it's anything like the publically available things he's said time and time again which go against established science, it's neither worth my money nor my time.
Well, if established science knew squat about weight loss we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic in the US, would we? Yes, it's because people don't follow the recommendations. But, that is exactly why it doesn't work permanently for most people.
It is a great book and will help many, many people. I suggested it because I had the same issue as the OP. It could help them too. If your not into it fine, but don't say it's not great if you haven't even read it.
These 950 unbiased people tend to agree with me: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24945404-the-obesity-code
There's thousands of people who agree scientology is a valid religion and thousands of people who agree the earth is flat, the government are all lizard people or that Elvis is still alive.
Those stand in contrast to millions who actually know better because they know how to vet their sources.5 -
Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.0
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Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.
He's referring to people TODAY who believe the earth is flat. It's a bigger group than the list of positive reviewers of the book.7 -
I wonder how long the sugar withdrawals last.. friend me!
I never had "withdrawals", just cravings...I found that the more my diet evolved and the better my nutrition became, the less I craved "junk food" and the like, and the more I craved solid nutrition.
I never tried to do a complete overhaul of my diet in one swoop...I took things bit by bit and made changes when and where I could. I think this is where a lot of people falter...they try to do too much all at once.
There was a time that I couldn't imagine going without soda...I drank like 3-5 regular sodas per day...I just kind of tapered that down over the course of a couple months...4.5 years later I have maybe 3 sodas in an entire year.
One issue with my diet early on was that I wasn't getting remotely close to getting the recommended veg and fruit...I was getting maybe one serving per day...so I set that as a goal and something positive I could do for my diet...slowly but surely I got to the point where I was eating at least 4 servings of veg per day and a serving or two of fruit.
It was all very much an evolutionary process for me, and not something I just did overnight. Years later, I'm still tweaking things here and there and trying to be a little better today than I was yesterday.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.
He's referring to people TODAY who believe the earth is flat. It's a bigger group than the list of positive reviewers of the book.
Well, he didn't say that. And how would you know? This place is full of trolls. I'm trying to help folks. Some people just like to get on here and a spew worthless old ideas that have failed. Continue to fail. Doctors encouraged smoking 60 years ago. We may look back on traditional weight loss guidelines the same way.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.
He's referring to people TODAY who believe the earth is flat. It's a bigger group than the list of positive reviewers of the book.
Well, he didn't say that. And how would you know? This place is full of trolls. I'm trying to help folks. Some people just like to get on here and a spew worthless old ideas that have failed. Continue to fail. Doctors encouraged smoking 60 years ago. We may look back on traditional weight loss guidelines the same way.
He spoke in present tense. He said there are "thousands who agree the earth is flat." He didn't say agreed.
And are saying that @stevencloser is a troll??
Seriously, he's one of the most sensible and informative people in these forums.
And it's books and fads like the one you're promoting that have led people to continued failure ("I cut sugar but I'm not losing weight" or "I'm low carb but not losing" or "I'm taking apple cider vinegar but still fat").
Regulating intake of all food, tracking and moderating calories is the one proven method that consistently works for everyone who actually does it.
It's also backed by actual science instead of woo and misrepresentation of facts like those employed by the author of your book.7 -
Wow, MFP has gone downhill.2
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I don't see any issue with eating fruit in moderation. Yes, it does contain fructose but it also has fibre and other vitamins and minerals which slow down the liver processing it.
Some fruits are higher in fructose than others. Bananas are very high as opposed to berries or kiwi fruit.Fructose from table sugar, honey, maple syrup etc are the problem as it hits the liver straight away and the liver converts to fatty acids very quickly.
I would like to see a change in food labelling laws so you can easily tell if something that has been packaged has added sugar. At the moment in Australia, you can not easily tell if the sugar has been added or it if is naturally occurring. Milk is a great example. If you looked at the sugar content of milk on the label you would think that the sugar content is quite high but the type of sugar in milk is lactose, not fructose and your body processes this type of sugar very differently. So the sugar in milk is not bad for you. I can make an informed decision in relation to fat content when I pick up packaged food because I can see the different types of fats listed. I can't do that with sugar which is very frustrating. I know giving up sugar isn't for everyone but some people are trying to "do the right thing" it is very hard if you don't have the right information.
Nah.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533803/
Stop linking to decent, peer-reviewed scientific studies. It does nothing but educate people on both reality and critical thinking skills.
Geez.
The authors are employed full time by Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM). ADM is a major oilseed and grain commodity processor and produces, among other products, fructose-containing sweeteners.
Unbiased helps too
I find this funny after you advertise a book written by Jason Fung.
SC, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Did either of you read the book?
If it's anything like the publically available things he's said time and time again which go against established science, it's neither worth my money nor my time.
Well, if established science knew squat about weight loss we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic in the US, would we? Yes, it's because people don't follow the recommendations. But, that is exactly why it doesn't work permanently for most people.
It is a great book and will help many, many people. I suggested it because I had the same issue as the OP. It could help them too. If your not into it fine, but don't say it's not great if you haven't even read it.
These 950 unbiased people tend to agree with me: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24945404-the-obesity-code
And 562,829 unbiased people on Goodreads consider 50 Shades of Grey to be good literature. So, yeah
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Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.
Carlos already told you about the past tense stuff.
Also, I wouldn't read a cookbook by someone I already know can't cook, would you? Fung is a quack making money off fantastical lose-fat-quick claims that have no basis in reality. Weight loss is based on calorie intake vs. expenditure, that is a scientific fact. Not sugar or fasting. Diabetes can't be cured by any means unlike Fung repeatedly claims to gather customers. Yes, customers, not patients.5 -
Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.
Those who went against the flat earthers were not shunned. As soon as it was demonstrated that the earth was round (long before Caesar or Christianity were a twinkle in anyone's eye), astronomy shifted to round earth acceptance without a hitch.0 -
I think it is easier to cut out sugar if you cut out most carbs and basically go on a ketogenic diet. I think you have to stick to this all the time so that once your glycogen stores from your liver are used up you will find it's easier to say no to sugar. I think the way it works is the more sugar you have each day the more you spike your insulin and the more you crave carbs/sugar. Lots of high protein foods (such as eggs) must be eaten from the outset each day and keep topping up.
I am still trying to give up sugar.0 -
My hubs is addicted to sugar too. He's lost a lot of weight & got off insulin but it's a battle. He was watching a documentary about drug addiction & they said on there that sugar is more addicting than any drug
HAHAHAHA sure it is. So easy to get off the smack, but trying to get off the Sugar Smack I had to go to rehab like three times.
Also good job for your husband losing weight and getting his diabetes under control. My uncle just had to have his legs and a finger amputated. Diabetes is no laughing matter.2 -
My hubs is addicted to sugar too. He's lost a lot of weight & got off insulin but it's a battle. He was watching a documentary about drug addiction & they said on there that sugar is more addicting than any drug
HAHAHAHA sure it is. So easy to get off the smack, but trying to get off the Sugar Smack I had to go to rehab like three times.
Also good job for your husband losing weight and getting his diabetes under control. My uncle just had to have his legs and a finger amputated. Diabetes is no laughing matter.
@Treece68 I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic or what you're trying to convey in your message..1 -
I think it is easier to cut out sugar if you cut out most carbs and basically go on a ketogenic diet. I think you have to stick to this all the time so that once your glycogen stores from your liver are used up you will find it's easier to say no to sugar. I think the way it works is the more sugar you have each day the more you spike your insulin and the more you crave carbs/sugar. Lots of high protein foods (such as eggs) must be eaten from the outset each day and keep topping up.
I am still trying to give up sugar.
No
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Apparently, there are still flat earthers...just had a chat with one on another site a few days ago...f&ck!*& weirdo...we also apparently can't leave the earth's atmosphere.4
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I just told myself refined sugar is poison and quit. No cakes, no candy, no ice cream nada sweet and simple. Or should I say, unsweet and simple? Of course I still eat fruits and vegetables Also, I quit alcohol last leap day on Feb 29th 2016... and not even a sip since then. I thought that would be a challenge but not at all... it was just a bad habit / allusion I thought I enjoyed.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Apparently, there are still flat earthers...just had a chat with one on another site a few days ago...f&ck!*& weirdo...we also apparently can't leave the earth's atmosphere.
Tiptoe quietly away while you still can...
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I just told myself refined sugar is poison and quit. No cakes, no candy, no ice cream nada sweet and simple. Or should I say, unsweet and simple? Of course I still eat fruits and vegetables Also, I quit alcohol last leap day on Feb 29th 2016... and not even a sip since then. I thought that would be a challenge but not at all... it was just a bad habit / allusion I thought I enjoyed.
But it's not poison. And your body breaks down the sugar in fruits and vegetables into the same molecular structure as the sugar in those other foods.
I guess if telling yourself something that isn't true in order to help you reach your goals works, then good for you, but I prefer to understand the actual science and address the root cause of a behavior I want to change.4 -
comeonnow142857 wrote: »Yea, exactly. Flat earthers where the traditionalists. The folks that went against them and were shunned. You can say all your nasty stuff. But really, read the book before you criticize it. The flat earthers were wrong and so is the traditional medical advice for weight loss. Not for all, but for many people. Fung's stuff works amazingly for others.
Those who went against the flat earthers were not shunned. As soon as it was demonstrated that the earth was round (long before Caesar or Christianity were a twinkle in anyone's eye), astronomy shifted to round earth acceptance without a hitch.
The ancient Hebrews believed in a round earth even centuries before there was a Roman Empire. Even the Old Testament of the Bible (the Hebrew Scriptures) refer to the Earth as being round (the prophet Isaiah mentions "the circle of the Earth").
Many Eastern and Middle Eastern cultures were far more intellectually advanced in terms of science, mathematics and philosophy than the early Europeans.
Even still, belief in a flat earth wasn't the original belief of early Europeans, either. It was a relatively short lived belief and wasn't even universally accepted, despite today's popular belief.2
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