It is more than a simple "CICO" - why can't we just admit it?

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  • comeonnow142857
    comeonnow142857 Posts: 310 Member
    There IS a lot that you need to get right to enable you to maintain control.optimal health/happiness over diet, but knowing CICO lets you know exactly what the target to aim all that other stuff at (or where it fits around) is.
  • fitmom4lifemfp
    fitmom4lifemfp Posts: 1,572 Member
    edited February 2017

    "Simple" doesn't always mean "easy". Sometimes the simplest solutions are still difficult to execute in practice. Weight loss is a perfect example.

    Not sure what that has to do with my reply to the OP. I said nothing about anything being "simple" or "easy".

    It has everything to do with your reply. You were trying to make the arguement that weight loss isn't simple because resisting food is hard work. This indicates you believe that simple = easy.

    What?? I was not trying to make any such argument. The OP stated that "all one has to do is shut their piehole". As if that was all there was to it. A piece of cake.
    Anyone that has EVER tried to lose weight, would know differently.

    You completely misunderstood my post.
  • Rebecca0224
    Rebecca0224 Posts: 810 Member
    ccsernica wrote: »
    I know for a fact people were counting calories 50 years ago. I did it. I had a little book with calories of common foods. Weight watchers has been around a long time. What has skyrocketed in the past 50 years is, the availability of food. Fast food stores, convenience stores with quick & fast foods, grocery stores etc, all open 24 hours per day. Our lives are more sedentary compared to what they were, and we have more demanding schedules on the whole. There are a multitude of reasons that may or may not contribute. But, no one can argue that for many overweight people, we are eating more calories, than we are burning, or at least we were until we found MFP ;)

    Thank you. Of COURSE they were.

    Why would someone think that no one knew what a calorie was, or bothered with it, 40 years ago??? Do they think that there were dinosaurs back then, too?

    Sure there were, but do you have any idea how many calories are in a T-rex drumstick? Just stay away from that stuff!

    If they clone dinosaurs I will try it lol
  • kk_inprogress
    kk_inprogress Posts: 3,077 Member
    ccsernica wrote: »
    I know for a fact people were counting calories 50 years ago. I did it. I had a little book with calories of common foods. Weight watchers has been around a long time. What has skyrocketed in the past 50 years is, the availability of food. Fast food stores, convenience stores with quick & fast foods, grocery stores etc, all open 24 hours per day. Our lives are more sedentary compared to what they were, and we have more demanding schedules on the whole. There are a multitude of reasons that may or may not contribute. But, no one can argue that for many overweight people, we are eating more calories, than we are burning, or at least we were until we found MFP ;)

    Thank you. Of COURSE they were.

    Why would someone think that no one knew what a calorie was, or bothered with it, 40 years ago??? Do they think that there were dinosaurs back then, too?

    Sure there were, but do you have any idea how many calories are in a T-rex drumstick? Just stay away from that stuff!

    If they clone dinosaurs I will try it lol

    Bet it tastes like chicken.
  • Hello_its_Dan
    Hello_its_Dan Posts: 406 Member
    The difference from person to person "in general" is not a great deal. If you cut your calories by roughly 500-700 daily (some people do more, some less) even with minimal mislabeled nutrition information, you will lose. Exactly as pointed out above, if you're dropping 500 calories today, from what you were eating before and you're not seeing weight loss, adjust it to 600, or 700, wait a week or two and see if you're losing then. Once you find a good amount of calories to take in, stick to that for a while. Weigh and adjust, its that easy.

    Just poking the hornets nest here a little!
    So you're telling me that my wife who maintains her weight at 1200 calories a day should cut 500-700 calories from her diet to lose weight?

    She's an endometriosis patient on heavy medication throwing hormones out of whack.

    Flag on the play!

    So you're just admitting to trolling at this point? The bolded portions of @mikeisgod83 invalidate your use of your wife's circumstances as an appropriate counter-argument. C'mon man...

    Nah I know she needs more activity and not less calories. :)
  • CafeRacer808
    CafeRacer808 Posts: 2,396 Member
    edited February 2017

    "Simple" doesn't always mean "easy". Sometimes the simplest solutions are still difficult to execute in practice. Weight loss is a perfect example.

    Not sure what that has to do with my reply to the OP. I said nothing about anything being "simple" or "easy".

    It has everything to do with your reply. You were trying to make the arguement that weight loss isn't simple because resisting food is hard work. This indicates you believe that simple = easy.

    What?? I was not trying to make any such argument. The OP stated that "all one has to do is shut their piehole". As if that was all there was to it. A piece of cake.
    Anyone that has EVER tried to lose weight, would know differently.

    You completely misunderstood my post.

    Sigh...you still don't get it. "Shut your pie hole" is another way of saying "control your eating". There's really nothing more too weight loss than that...it really is that simple, even if it's "HARD", as you say.

    And what does cake have to do with it? I assume you're going to say, "It's hard to turn down a piece of cake." Yeah, that's probably true. But if eating that cake means going over on your calories, the solution is simple: don't eat the cake. Does that make solution easy? Nope.
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  • CafeRacer808
    CafeRacer808 Posts: 2,396 Member

    I think they meant that people who try to lose weight with different mental issues often struggle because of their mental issues, so to say its just a piece of cake and that its easy, that others would know better, at least i think thats what she meant.. which might make my above post make more sense also lol

    They never made any inference to mental issues but sure, whatever... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    My original statement still stands though. The concept of weight loss is really as simple as "eat less". But that's often a very difficult concept to put into practice.
  • BABetter1
    BABetter1 Posts: 618 Member
    edited February 2017
    OP, I feel ya'. I totally get where you're coming from. But, you just can't post stuff like that here. The diet police WILL call you out on YOUR feelings and YOUR opinions. And then they'll bring all kinds of science into the argument too, sheesh. That being said, I personally try to use my CICO tools as more of a guideline, and recalibrate my limits if it seems like my weight loss is slowing or stopping.

    ETA: A good place for "feeling" posts is in your newsfeed with your hopefully more supportive friends. Need more friends? Look through this post and add the people who seem to take your side or at least get you. I could always use another friend . . . .
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  • BABetter1
    BABetter1 Posts: 618 Member
    She is a grown woman who made a frustrated post about how different people are different. Get over yourself already. You are one of the main ones I see that lurks around on these forums just waiting for someone to post something you can pounce on, correct, and then ride them like a paint horse when they try to explain their meaning and defend what amounts to their own little personally frustrated opinion. I don't do detoxes or cleanses. But, I know that some people, for various health reasons, may lose weight at different rates. So, while it is basically CICO, the equation isn't as simple and static for some as it is for others. Like the OP said, inaccuracies abound in the measurement of CICO. And, sometimes when people get frustrated, what they really need is a sympathetic ear who can offer feedback without the snark.
  • NewyRob
    NewyRob Posts: 22 Member
    nomorepuke wrote: »

    I feel very sorry for you. I've lost 21lbs in little over a month by eating more. I don't count calories because I stop when I'm full. Simply, I had gained weight because of not being able to eat. All I ate was fast/frozen/processed junk on the go.
    Majority of the people think like you. Thus, weight loss is one of the most lucrative industries. They want you to think that way. They want you to yo-yo. They don't want you to get educated on how nutrition works in your system.
    Look at the most attractive thread in here "Serial Starters" !!!!

    I'm guessing what is happening here is that you have replaced calorie dense processed food, with less calorie dense whole and unprocessed foods. If that's that case, of course you can eat more and lose weight. It's still CICO.

    Peace

  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member

    I'm skeptical of his claim to have been consuming "about 2000 calories on average daily," unless he's been steadily losing weight -- he doesn't give his stats, but unless he's way below average height for a male, I'm not buying it. Plus, the way he phrased it, it sounds like an eyeballing, recollection-rather-than-real-time-tracking estimate. Bottom-line, without knowing what he burns on maintenance, I don't know how to take the results of his 4,000 calorie a day experiment.

    Confession, I only listened to about half of it, because he rambles and I got bored.

    He is on day 13 now and down a little over a pound.

    There is a thread going on it in the Debate section
  • kq1981
    kq1981 Posts: 1,098 Member
    edited February 2017
    Meow. We've all got valid points and as far as I can tell (look it's kriss) is a long term mfp user and her points, discussions and comments are completely valid. Some people just don't like people being forthright, straight up and unfiltered.
  • kq1981
    kq1981 Posts: 1,098 Member
    edited February 2017
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    BABetter1 wrote: »
    She is a grown woman who made a frustrated post about how different people are different. Get over yourself already. You are one of the main ones I see that lurks around on these forums just waiting for someone to post something you can pounce on, correct, and then ride them like a paint horse when they try to explain their meaning and defend what amounts to their own little personally frustrated opinion. I don't do detoxes or cleanses. But, I know that some people, for various health reasons, may lose weight at different rates. So, while it is basically CICO, the equation isn't as simple and static for some as it is for others. Like the OP said, inaccuracies abound in the measurement of CICO. And, sometimes when people get frustrated, what they really need is a sympathetic ear who can offer feedback without the snark.

    Oh you got me, i totally spend all day here, lurking.. lol

    As i already stated above, I have an eating disorder so i am well aware that its not always "that easy"...
    However, This is a learning experience.. We are not meant to compare our losses to the rate of someone else, our losses are our losses. My friend and I are the same age, weight and height, obviously she and i are not going to lose the same, my job though is to get to know myself and stop focusing on her, when i spend the time learning how my own body works then i can make adjustments to the calories going in as well as the calories going out.

    Like i said in the nutrisystem thread, you can't always sugar coat things all the time for people.
    Yes sure, we could all sit here and listen, offer sympathetic sentiments etc, but then what? Whats the person having the struggles going to do after? I believe i did read back some where someone did say to them that people just needed to find their own balance of CICO, was that not acceptable because it didnt agree with the OP and not sound sympathetic enough?

  • Theo166
    Theo166 Posts: 2,564 Member
    edited February 2017
    Tom and Hank do require the same energy to digest their food, they have the same chemical process underway.

    The girl who didn't lose the same weight might have cheated at work, or maybe runs a degree cooler in her body temp. Each can find their own CICO and work from there.
  • BABetter1
    BABetter1 Posts: 618 Member
    edited February 2017
    Oh you got me, i totally spend all day here, lurking.. lol

    As i already stated above, I have an eating disorder so i am well aware that its not always "that easy"...
    However, This is a learning experience.. We are not meant to compare our losses to the rate of someone else, our losses are our losses. My friend and I are the same age, weight and height, obviously she and i are not going to lose the same, my job though is to get to know myself and stop focusing on her, when i spend the time learning how my own body works then i can make adjustments to the calories going in as well as the calories going out.

    Like i said in the nutrisystem thread, you can't always sugar coat things all the time for people.
    Yes sure, we could all sit here and listen, offer sympathetic sentiments etc, but then what? Whats the person having the struggles going to do after? I believe i did read back some where someone did say to them that people just needed to find their own balance of CICO, was that not acceptable because it didnt agree with the OP and not sound sympathetic enough?

    Holy geez. I never said I was the ONLY person who was sympathetic, or that there weren't enough sympathizers. Is there an "only one sympathetic person per thread" rule, or what? And, actually I said something along those same lines, is there a rule against that too? Anyway, "We are not meant to compare our losses to the rate of someone else", and yet the CICO formula is exactly that. It says, if you are X, Y, and Z, you should weigh this. And, if you eat A calories and expend B calories, you will lose C amount of weight. All of that is based on someone else with the same stats. And, you're right about the sugar coating thing. But, in my personal opinion, the OP was looking for a sympathetic ear, hence the reason I gave the advice for her to not post stuff like that here. Dang, your horse looks tired, you wanna' borrow my mule?
  • OldAssDude
    OldAssDude Posts: 1,436 Member
    edited February 2017
    WOW!!!

    5 pages for an acronym that does not even exist. It's a made up word only found in these forums.

    And the funny thing is, even if it was a real thing, the people who are too lazy to exercise only use the CI part, and the people think they can control their weight just by exercising only use the CO part. Then it turns into a battle between CI & CO.

    There are many funny sayings on these forums.

    "weight loss starts in the kitchen" ~so does getting fat~
    "you can't out exercise a bad diet" ~starving yourself is worse~

    I know most people don't want to hear this, but if you want to be healthy, you MUST put the work in.

    There are no shortcut diets because every one of them are BS.
    There are no shortcut workout plan because every one of them are BS.

    You MUST get the recommended exercise, which means you MUST huff and puff and sweat for a certain number of minutes per session and a certain number of sessions per week.

    THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS!!!

    You MUST eat a nutritious well balanced diet and keep junk food to a minimum.

    THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS!!!

    You SHOULD NOT have to weigh every gram of food you put in your mouth for the rest of your life.
    You SHOULD be able to eat a cheese steak or a couple slices of pizza here and there without blowing up like a freaking balloon.

    THERE IS NO CICO!!!

    Only people who are too lazy to put the work in.

    For the record, I mean this in a nice way.
  • kq1981
    kq1981 Posts: 1,098 Member
    Who likes cheese?
  • OldAssDude
    OldAssDude Posts: 1,436 Member
    kq1981 wrote: »
    Who likes cheese?

    I do. I think I'm going to have some now...:)
  • kq1981
    kq1981 Posts: 1,098 Member
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    kq1981 wrote: »
    Who likes cheese?

    I do. I think I'm going to have some now...:)

    Lol:-)
  • leanjogreen18
    leanjogreen18 Posts: 2,492 Member
    The calculations work perfectly for me WHEN I stick to them. 50f/peri menopause/partial hysterectomy (3 of the things I thought made me a special snowflake). I lose 2 lbs per week as projected by the calculations.

    Now if someone says sticking to your calorie goal is not that simple I could agree wholeheartedly.

    I think (baring medical issues) one has to dig deep to see why they are not successful and work at differing methods to stay within the calorie goal.

    I've learned from snarky posts as well. Did I get hurt feelings? Sure a couple of times but dang it if you have information that may help me be successful I'm all ears!
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