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"Supermodels don't eat''
healthypelican
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I used to think main stream/catwalk models existed on apples and cotton balls. It seemed like they didn't eat, growing up in the 90s.
I've been on MFP for a while now and have read many transformation stories. I've seen people with fantastic figures, low body fat and decent muscle tone from people that claim to eat 2000+ calories a day assuming they exercise.
So do models eat a sensible, healthy amount of food? I don't think Victoria Secret models could look that way if they starved themselves. I guess it depends on the type of model.
I'm probably not going to reply to this because I am expecting some heated responses, but I will watch. Sorry!
I've been on MFP for a while now and have read many transformation stories. I've seen people with fantastic figures, low body fat and decent muscle tone from people that claim to eat 2000+ calories a day assuming they exercise.
So do models eat a sensible, healthy amount of food? I don't think Victoria Secret models could look that way if they starved themselves. I guess it depends on the type of model.
I'm probably not going to reply to this because I am expecting some heated responses, but I will watch. Sorry!
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Supermodels don't eat. They exist on green juices and tiny portions of fruits and vegetables. They workout 2+ times per day.
Fitness models/competitors eat. They fuel their body well and workout an appropriate amount to ensure they recover adequately.15 -
Fitness models and super models eat, they probably don't walk around in photo shoot form all year round...
They likely starve and dehydrate down before shoots like a boxer before a weigh in...
Have you ever noticed how a boxer looks super lean at the weigh in but 24hrs later on fight night suddenly don't look as cut...
Its not healthy to walk around <8% year round...
Not to mention they have the best lighting and photographers15 -
I'd say the ladies here who eat and train don't really have what I'd call the typical runway model body/supermodel body...they have fitness bodies...which are much hotter.
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victoria's secret angels eat i'm sure, i know they work out like crazy. tons of cardio, lifting, 2 x per day before a show. but i've read that up to a few weeks before a show they'll do liquid only diets or less than 1000 cal per day.3
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Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle. They also look extra skinny because they are also super tall which naturally means longer, leaner muscle tone and a taller model will look thinner than a shorter model to the human eye via a sort of optical illusion. They also deliberately dehydrate themselves and fast before a show so their bellies will be as flat as possible. They spray on anti-cellulite, firming spray that tightens up thighs and upper arms while prepping backstage. Many also get contouring body make up on all over to create the illusion of bigger boobs and rounder buttocks, slimmer thighs, defined abs, etc.6
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Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle. They also look extra skinny because they are also super tall which naturally means longer, leaner muscle tone and a taller model will look thinner than a shorter model to the human eye via a sort of optical illusion. They also deliberately dehydrate themselves and fast before a show so their bellies will be as flat as possible. They spray on anti-cellulite, firming spray that tightens up thighs and upper arms while prepping backstage. Many also get contouring body make up on all over to create the illusion of bigger boobs and rounder buttocks, slimmer thighs, defined abs, etc.
IDK about that...current trend in runway modeling looks like this...
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle. They also look extra skinny because they are also super tall which naturally means longer, leaner muscle tone and a taller model will look thinner than a shorter model to the human eye via a sort of optical illusion. They also deliberately dehydrate themselves and fast before a show so their bellies will be as flat as possible. They spray on anti-cellulite, firming spray that tightens up thighs and upper arms while prepping backstage. Many also get contouring body make up on all over to create the illusion of bigger boobs and rounder buttocks, slimmer thighs, defined abs, etc.
IDK about that...current trend in runway modeling looks like this...
Yikes.
Although my stream of thought is, once you reach a certain weight, you eat to maintain at that level rather than eating to lose weight? So wouldn't they eat 1200 minimum.
^Although maybe not that model.0 -
Erg I can't embed a picture. But you've posted some no name model. super models include the VS angels. Here is a pic of them
https://goo.gl/images/smKH5U.-1 -
most models don't tbh. One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. 1.1% - 4.2% of females suffer from bulimia nervosa in their lifetime. As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa. Part taking in looks based sports or professions raises the odds by 20% of those that even admit to having a disorder.
I used to amateur model and even in that range many who seemed healthy were not. You cannot gage someone's health by looking at them at my "fittest" I worked out 3hrs a day and ate 500-max 1000 cals a day and was 10lbs over what would be considered high fashion catwalk for my height.8 -
sarajenivieve wrote: »most models don't tbh. One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. 1.1% - 4.2% of females suffer from bulimia nervosa in their lifetime. As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa. Part taking in looks based sports or professions raises the odds by 20% of those that even admit to having a disorder.
I used to amateur model and even in that range many who seemed healthy were not. You cannot gage someone's health by looking at them at my "fittest" I worked out 3hrs a day and ate 500-max 1000 cals a day and was 10lbs over what would be considered high fashion catwalk for my height.
But they still eat very small amounts. I don't know any anorexics who ate nothing at all. You wouldn't be able to function at all on no food.1 -
The only people who don't eat are dead or dying.10
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Id argue that real stats are probably much higher than what is reported in my experience. That's not to say every model has an ED but I would confidently say the majority would fall on the disordered spectrum0
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Erg I can't embed a picture. But you've posted some no name model. super models include the VS angels. Here is a pic of them
https://goo.gl/images/smKH5U.
I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think there's a pretty major issue within that community...though I do think things are slowly changing a bit...
And really, all I'm seeing in that picture is a crap ton of air brush...that can hide a lot of things. They don't even look like real people in that picture...it looks like some kind of really good animation.
http://www.ibtimes.com/vogue-editor-says-models-think-its-ok-faint-food-deprivation-eat-tissues-go-hospital-drips-be-parisEver wonder how some of the world’s top fashion supermodels keep themselves so thin? Former Vogue Australia editor Kirstie Clements has revealed that models not only eat tissues to swell their stomachs and curb hunger but also go on hospital drips and sometimes faint from food deprivation, while the industry ignores the “telltale signs of anorexia.”Clements alleged that models often engage in “dangerous patterns of behavior that the industry – shockingly – begins to accept as par for the course.”“I was dressing a model from the U.S. on a beauty shoot, and I noticed scars and scabs on her knees,” Clements wrote. “When I queried her about them, she said nonchalantly: ‘Oh, yes. Because I'm always so hungry, I faint a lot.’ She thought it was normal to pass out every day, sometimes more than once.”But all of this is common in the fashion world, Clements said. She described how a model from Russia who was displaying severe signs of hunger once told her: “It is not my job to eat.” Clements added this was one of the only sentences the model knew how to speak in English.“When it comes to who should be blamed for the portrayal of overly thin models, magazine editors are in the direct line of fire, but it is more complex than that. The ‘fit’ model begins the fashion process: designer outfits are created around a live, in-house skeleton. … These collections are then sent to the runway, worn by tall, pin-thin models because that's the way the designer wants to see the clothes fall. … For some bizarre reason, it seems they prefer her to be young, coltish, 6-feet tall and built like a prepubescent boy.”While Clements acknowledged Vogue’s international Health Initiative, which has made major strides to ban models under the age of 16 and help models suffering from eating disorders, she said many top fashion editors still admire these “painfully thin” models.
“It is practically impossible to get a photographer or a fashion editor – male or female – to acknowledge the repercussions of using very thin girls,” she wrote. “They don't want to. For them, it's all about the drama of the photograph. They convince themselves that the girls are just genetically 'blessed,' or have achieved it through energetic bouts of yoga and eating goji berries.”
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singingflutelady wrote: »sarajenivieve wrote: »most models don't tbh. One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. 1.1% - 4.2% of females suffer from bulimia nervosa in their lifetime. As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa. Part taking in looks based sports or professions raises the odds by 20% of those that even admit to having a disorder.
I used to amateur model and even in that range many who seemed healthy were not. You cannot gage someone's health by looking at them at my "fittest" I worked out 3hrs a day and ate 500-max 1000 cals a day and was 10lbs over what would be considered high fashion catwalk for my height.
But they still eat very small amounts. I don't know any anorexics who ate nothing at all. You wouldn't be able to function at all on no food.
generally people with disorders will eat small amounts but not always daily. I know most VS models don't eat for 3days before shows, the longest I ever went I think was 3days but I know many who went longer. Even with the small amounts its not healthy.
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sarajenivieve wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »sarajenivieve wrote: »most models don't tbh. One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. 1.1% - 4.2% of females suffer from bulimia nervosa in their lifetime. As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa. Part taking in looks based sports or professions raises the odds by 20% of those that even admit to having a disorder.
I used to amateur model and even in that range many who seemed healthy were not. You cannot gage someone's health by looking at them at my "fittest" I worked out 3hrs a day and ate 500-max 1000 cals a day and was 10lbs over what would be considered high fashion catwalk for my height.
But they still eat very small amounts. I don't know any anorexics who ate nothing at all. You wouldn't be able to function at all on no food.
generally people with disorders will eat small amounts but not always daily. I know most VS models don't eat for 3days before shows, the longest I ever went I think was 3days but I know many who went longer. Even with the small amounts its not healthy.
I agree and it's not healthy. Just clearing up the misconception that anorexics never eat. I had an argument on here the other day with someone who was convinced that anorexics never ever eat (only bulimics eat apparently) and didn't believe me when I said they do even though I am a mostly recovered anorexic who went through inpatient and day hospital refeeding programs. They definitely don't eat a healthy amount but not absolutely zero.5 -
healthypelican wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle. They also look extra skinny because they are also super tall which naturally means longer, leaner muscle tone and a taller model will look thinner than a shorter model to the human eye via a sort of optical illusion. They also deliberately dehydrate themselves and fast before a show so their bellies will be as flat as possible. They spray on anti-cellulite, firming spray that tightens up thighs and upper arms while prepping backstage. Many also get contouring body make up on all over to create the illusion of bigger boobs and rounder buttocks, slimmer thighs, defined abs, etc.
IDK about that...current trend in runway modeling looks like this...
Yikes.
Although my stream of thought is, once you reach a certain weight, you eat to maintain at that level rather than eating to lose weight? So wouldn't they eat 1200 minimum.
^Although maybe not that model.
Not if they're anorexic.1 -
I agree and it's not healthy. Just clearing up the misconception that anorexics never eat. I had an argument on here the other day with someone who was convinced that anorexics never ever eat (only bulimics eat apparently) and didn't believe me when I said they do even though I am a mostly recovered anorexic who went through inpatient and day hospital refeeding programs. They definitely don't eat a healthy amount but not absolutely zero. [/quote]
oh I've not experienced anyone who thought they literally never eat anything.. not to say there aren't cases where that happens leading up to hospitalization and/or death but yea that would have been an odd discussion to be in I didn't mean to seem as though I was suggesting all anorexics literally never eat. thanks for clarifying the misunderstanding as well.
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I spoke to a fashion/glamour model once about her diet and exercise (note she's not a runway model so she's probably not as thin), and she told me she ate about 1800 calories a day and do 2 full body workouts and 3 cardio session a week. No idea how accurate her numbers were.5
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Dont forget age in there. A 16yo or even a 23yo can stay thin while eating the same amount as an older woman of same height and weight. I know that at 36 i def need to eat less, where in my teens and 20s i just snarfled up anything in front of me with no consequence. Some (more rare) people also can eat tons more without weight gain, possibly by having a higher body temp. The army discovered this in the 50s. So, age and genetics. In addition to restraint.1
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I know a very successful male model who is also a recovered anorexic. He says the industry definitely has triggers for anorexics with the obsession of being slender but he has a personal nutritionist and a therapist that support him. He is at a BMI of 18 and says that over half of models are at that BMI and any who are just below that are working on gaining weight. He also mentioned a French law that requires a health certificate and that he keep his BMI at 18 to work in France. A BMI of 18 is the lowest BMI in the healthy range...so even supermodels cannot be a single BMI into the underweight range the way the industry is going if they follow in Frances footsteps. Compare to the 1960s model Twiggy who had a BMI of 15. Compare also to plus size models who have very overweight BMIs to obese BMIs...Ashley Graham is borderline obese at a BMI of 29.7 (30 is start of obese range) and Tess holliday has a BMI of 42.9...almost morbidly obese. any low healthy weight model will look underweight put next to these medically overweight and obese models.4
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Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle.
You're not going to lengthen muscle without some fairly radical surgeries. Clothing model aesthetic is a living, walking clothes hanger.1 -
CipherZero wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle.
You're not going to lengthen muscle without some fairly radical surgeries. Clothing model aesthetic is a living, walking clothes hanger.
Please read the attached MIT article on stretching and the lengthening reaction. The muscle as a whole does not lengthen but the muscle fibres within each muscle do lengthen...making the appearance of the muscle flatten out and look leaner overall as opposed to building muscle by contracting it which shortens the muscle fibres resulting in the appearance of the muscle to become more "cut."
Yes you have to be really good at yoga to get max benefits of stretching like teacher level..but many models are actually certified yogis. Rainbeau Mars for example. But that is no different from fact you need to be really good at bodybuilding to get your muscles to be cut/ripped etc. Stretching exercises vs contraction exercises affect the muscles differently and the results are different types of equally muscular bodies.
http://web.mit.edu/tkd/stretch/stretching_2.html#SEC172 -
CipherZero wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle.
You're not going to lengthen muscle without some fairly radical surgeries. Clothing model aesthetic is a living, walking clothes hanger.
Please read the attached MIT article on stretching and the lengthening reaction. The muscle as a whole does not lengthen but the muscle fibres within each muscle do lengthen...making the appearance of the muscle flatten out and look leaner overall as opposed to building muscle by contracting it which shortens the muscle fibres resulting in the appearance of the muscle to become more "cut."
Yes you have to be really good at yoga to get max benefits of stretching like teacher level..but many models are actually certified yogis. Rainbeau Mars for example. But that is no different from fact you need to be really good at bodybuilding to get your muscles to be cut/ripped etc. Stretching exercises vs contraction exercises affect the muscles differently and the results are different types of equally muscular bodies.
http://web.mit.edu/tkd/stretch/stretching_2.html#SEC17
That article doesn't say anything about altering the length of the muscle itself.2 -
Erg I can't embed a picture. But you've posted some no name model. super models include the VS angels. Here is a pic of them
https://goo.gl/images/smKH5U.
LOL! No retouching done there at all!
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CipherZero wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle.
You're not going to lengthen muscle without some fairly radical surgeries. Clothing model aesthetic is a living, walking clothes hanger.
Please read the attached MIT article on stretching and the lengthening reaction. The muscle as a whole does not lengthen but the muscle fibres within each muscle do lengthen...making the appearance of the muscle flatten out and look leaner overall as opposed to building muscle by contracting it which shortens the muscle fibres resulting in the appearance of the muscle to become more "cut."
Yes you have to be really good at yoga to get max benefits of stretching like teacher level..but many models are actually certified yogis. Rainbeau Mars for example. But that is no different from fact you need to be really good at bodybuilding to get your muscles to be cut/ripped etc. Stretching exercises vs contraction exercises affect the muscles differently and the results are different types of equally muscular bodies.
http://web.mit.edu/tkd/stretch/stretching_2.html#SEC17
That is talking about how to become more flexible. When you try to stretch to touch your toes but can't? That's because of the thing you linked. The muscle works against you stretching it too far. It has nothing to do with how your muscles look while relaxed.3 -
Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle. They also look extra skinny because they are also super tall which naturally means longer, leaner muscle tone and a taller model will look thinner than a shorter model to the human eye via a sort of optical illusion. They also deliberately dehydrate themselves and fast before a show so their bellies will be as flat as possible. They spray on anti-cellulite, firming spray that tightens up thighs and upper arms while prepping backstage. Many also get contouring body make up on all over to create the illusion of bigger boobs and rounder buttocks, slimmer thighs, defined abs, etc.
May I ask how you 'know' all of this?
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CipherZero wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle.
You're not going to lengthen muscle without some fairly radical surgeries. Clothing model aesthetic is a living, walking clothes hanger.
Exactly, considering muscle has fixed points due to its "job".
Muscle will stretch out if someone rather sedentary starts working out, but it is quite minimal.
Muscle lengthening has been debunked as a myth over and over by well known professionals in the field.0 -
From clientele I've trained who were former models, my understanding is the industry is built around VLCD. But that's anecdotal. For all I know it could also include bulimia.
I DO know that many professional dancers and professional jockeys have eating disorders after watching a documentary on it a few years back on HBO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C1xnm7rhz0
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. I know...I was just saying that what I wrote was just referring to the muscle lengthening process whereby the muscle fibres are lengthened...so I didn't choose my words exactly correctly..was just trying to explain what I meant better.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle.
You're not going to lengthen muscle without some fairly radical surgeries. Clothing model aesthetic is a living, walking clothes hanger.
Please read the attached MIT article on stretching and the lengthening reaction. The muscle as a whole does not lengthen but the muscle fibres within each muscle do lengthen...making the appearance of the muscle flatten out and look leaner overall as opposed to building muscle by contracting it which shortens the muscle fibres resulting in the appearance of the muscle to become more "cut."
Yes you have to be really good at yoga to get max benefits of stretching like teacher level..but many models are actually certified yogis. Rainbeau Mars for example. But that is no different from fact you need to be really good at bodybuilding to get your muscles to be cut/ripped etc. Stretching exercises vs contraction exercises affect the muscles differently and the results are different types of equally muscular bodies.
http://web.mit.edu/tkd/stretch/stretching_2.html#SEC17
That article doesn't say anything about altering the length of the muscle itself.
I have a professional photographer friend in London. She's tells me about the weird tricks of the trade when we gossip.snickerscharlie wrote: »Super models do eat and most eat healthy diets. They generally avoid resistance exercises other than yoga because they don't want to build muscle but rather stretch and lengthen muscle. They also look extra skinny because they are also super tall which naturally means longer, leaner muscle tone and a taller model will look thinner than a shorter model to the human eye via a sort of optical illusion. They also deliberately dehydrate themselves and fast before a show so their bellies will be as flat as possible. They spray on anti-cellulite, firming spray that tightens up thighs and upper arms while prepping backstage. Many also get contouring body make up on all over to create the illusion of bigger boobs and rounder buttocks, slimmer thighs, defined abs, etc.
May I ask how you 'know' all of this?
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sarajenivieve wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »sarajenivieve wrote: »most models don't tbh. One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. 1.1% - 4.2% of females suffer from bulimia nervosa in their lifetime. As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa. Part taking in looks based sports or professions raises the odds by 20% of those that even admit to having a disorder.
I used to amateur model and even in that range many who seemed healthy were not. You cannot gage someone's health by looking at them at my "fittest" I worked out 3hrs a day and ate 500-max 1000 cals a day and was 10lbs over what would be considered high fashion catwalk for my height.
But they still eat very small amounts. I don't know any anorexics who ate nothing at all. You wouldn't be able to function at all on no food.
generally people with disorders will eat small amounts but not always daily. I know most VS models don't eat for 3days before shows, the longest I ever went I think was 3days but I know many who went longer. Even with the small amounts its not healthy.
I'm curious to know how you know so much about what VS models do and do not do as far as eating habits.2
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