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  • PL4TNM
    PL4TNM Posts: 85 Member
    There was definetly a side of cheesy served up with the first one (haven't seen the second) but I'm getting out my shovel 'cuz I was diggin' it.
  • Morgaen73
    Morgaen73 Posts: 2,817 Member
    Morgaen73 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.

    I have to say that to some people it is not a consent thing but a sex thing. There are a lot of people that like bondage, it is their turn on go to place to play and let loose in a private setting. If both partners are willing there is no slavery involved, it is however another avenue for enjoying sex just like using toys are or having sex in public.
    Morgaen73 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.

    Huh? This is like saying you dont agree with consensual sex because it minimizes the horror of rape. Your saying that my partner and I, who are both consenting adults, cant live out our fantasies because it may make someone else (who has absolutely nothing to do with what we are doing) feel bad? What if we dont tell them about it? Would that be more acceptable? There is a HUGE difference between actions taken by consenting adults and situations forced on people.

    I've read the books and I saw the first movie. Really not with it.
    this movie is so different then the real life of BDSM

    Soooo much this.
    Its was completely boring! I expected way more.

    My wife's exact words lol

    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!

    I have a friend who was abused by her uncle and she and her boyfriend partake in rape play. It is her way of dealing with it. Who are you to judge?

    Talking about water, we are in a severe draught. Our city literally has enough water for 3 more months and it is not our rainy season. Are you going to empty your pool and stop showering now because showering desensitizes you to our plight?

    Let me be honest. I enjoy getting the *kitten* flogged out of me. Helps me work through some of my own crap and my wife enjoys flogging me. Again, who are you to judge or imply that it is wrong because somewhere in some place I am completely unaware of someone is actually being whipped against their will?



    Well then why's it, okay to; institutionalize anorexics because their starving themselves might, help them deal with; their self image?

    Uhm perhaps because they are harming themselves? I have no idea why your laws are the way they are. I can tell you it has absolutely buggerall to do with starving children in Africa.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    The best way to rate it: Was it still a better love story than Twilight?

    Well, it was a direct rip=off of Twilight, so it's tough to say. Both are insulting to the idea of literature and movies.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.

    I have to say that to some people it is not a consent thing but a sex thing. There are a lot of people that like bondage, it is their turn on go to place to play and let loose in a private setting. If both partners are willing there is no slavery involved, it is however another avenue for enjoying sex just like using toys are or having sex in public.

    It's a fetish... like feet and wearing cartoon costumes. To each their own. I say get your freak on anyway you want as long as it's consensual.

    None of this is why people consider the relationship abusive.
  • tmanfromtexas
    tmanfromtexas Posts: 928 Member
    Morgaen73 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.

    I have to say that to some people it is not a consent thing but a sex thing. There are a lot of people that like bondage, it is their turn on go to place to play and let loose in a private setting. If both partners are willing there is no slavery involved, it is however another avenue for enjoying sex just like using toys are or having sex in public.
    Morgaen73 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.

    Huh? This is like saying you dont agree with consensual sex because it minimizes the horror of rape. Your saying that my partner and I, who are both consenting adults, cant live out our fantasies because it may make someone else (who has absolutely nothing to do with what we are doing) feel bad? What if we dont tell them about it? Would that be more acceptable? There is a HUGE difference between actions taken by consenting adults and situations forced on people.

    I've read the books and I saw the first movie. Really not with it.
    this movie is so different then the real life of BDSM

    Soooo much this.
    Its was completely boring! I expected way more.

    My wife's exact words lol

    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!

    I have a friend who was abused by her uncle and she and her boyfriend partake in rape play. It is her way of dealing with it. Who are you to judge?

    Talking about water, we are in a severe draught. Our city literally has enough water for 3 more months and it is not our rainy season. Are you going to empty your pool and stop showering now because showering desensitizes you to our plight?

    Let me be honest. I enjoy getting the *kitten* flogged out of me. Helps me work through some of my own crap and my wife enjoys flogging me. Again, who are you to judge or imply that it is wrong because somewhere in some place I am completely unaware of someone is actually being whipped against their will?



    Well then why's it, okay to; institutionalize anorexics because their starving themselves might, help them deal with; their self image?

    Two totally different things. When two people are having consensual sex, they are not hurting one another, they are participating in an act that both want. Just a little judgmental in my opinion but that is what the interwebs are for.
  • Bayluvr
    Bayluvr Posts: 115 Member
    dcresider wrote: »
    They are the silliest books I've ever read and the movies are fun but brainless. If you want good erotica movie watch the 80's movie, 9 1/2 Weeks, when Mickey Rourke looked great before all his plastic surgeries. (By no means am I promoting physical or mental abuse. This was one of those movies I happened to watch back when).

    Love, Love, LOVE 9 1/2 Weeks! Much better than 50 Shades, books or movies. They dropped the ball when casting Jamie Dornan...should've been Ian Somerhalder HANDS DOWN!! Who in hell would drool over Dornan?
  • Allgaun
    Allgaun Posts: 222 Member
    I read the books, I can't say I was impressed but they were good enough to have me complete the trilogy.

    IMHO the movie (I only saw the first) was extremely mis-cast. Anastasia was a somewhat flighty, silly girl in the books, all that "Inner goddess" stuff. Dakota Johnson played her as a sulky teenager. Christian is described as thin and moody (maybe Dakota Johnson should have played that part?) Jamie Duran seemed to be laughing inside and not at all sulky. He also didn't fit the physical description in the book.

    I thought some of the sets were awful, when does a luxury hotel room look like a 1950's rumpus room? In 50 Shades of Grey.

    I'll probably see the second one when it's available on DVD...from the library. Can't see myself paying to see it.
  • Carbkiller1970
    Carbkiller1970 Posts: 3,289 Member
    I'm constructing my new red room at this very moment
  • Char231023
    Char231023 Posts: 700 Member
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.


    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!


    I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.

    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
  • YvetteK2015
    YvetteK2015 Posts: 654 Member
    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship

    ^^^ This. Thank you.
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    edited March 2017
    Char231023 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.


    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!


    I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.

    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.

    Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!
  • YvetteK2015
    YvetteK2015 Posts: 654 Member
    [/quote]Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, letting a couple use sandpaper (& that's all I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, okay?[/quote]

    Your perception of harm is another person's pleasure. I don't think anorexics get any pleasure or happiness from being hospitalized against their will. But what in your mind constitutes harm? A scratch? A bruise? A paddle mark? What in your mind do you think is happening when two people are engaged in a consenting act ( lets say a flogging) and both are turned on as hell, and are deriving pure pleasure from it? They both want it to happen. It is NOT harm.

    There are people who are on the more hardcore extreme side. There is still nothing wrong with that as long as you can get up and walk away and continue on with your regular life. It's their choice. It's still what they want to do. There is no harm there.

    My only concern would be those who allow others to do permanent harm or injury to them. But that's not the conversation we are having here, and those books never broached that topic.

  • YvetteK2015
    YvetteK2015 Posts: 654 Member
    sorry for the format fail
  • JennyHsavage
    JennyHsavage Posts: 123 Member
    There wasn't any "good bits" PLOP!!! Your man is a fine thing tho I'd bet I would make him cry
  • Pamela_43
    Pamela_43 Posts: 315 Member
    Pamela_43 wrote: »
    I thought it was trying to romaticize abuse. Not of the woman but of the man. She chose it...he was functioning the only way he could. That's sad to me.

    Oops I thought we were talking about what we thought about the movie...not about a BDSM lifestyle. My bad.
  • JennyHsavage
    JennyHsavage Posts: 123 Member
    MeganAM89 wrote: »
    Char231023 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.


    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!


    I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.

    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.

    Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!

    Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?

    I'm reading everything like William Shatner.

    Ah stop been the grammar police
  • Egger29
    Egger29 Posts: 14,741 Member
    There wasn't any "good bits" PLOP!!! Your man is a fine thing tho I'd bet I would make him cry

    I Laughed out Loud at this! :D:D
  • JennyHsavage
    JennyHsavage Posts: 123 Member
    Egger29 wrote: »
    There wasn't any "good bits" PLOP!!! Your man is a fine thing tho I'd bet I would make him cry

    I Laughed out Loud at this! :D:D

    Hehehe just been honest
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, letting a couple use sandpaper (& that's all I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, okay?[/quote]

    Your perception of harm is another person's pleasure. I don't think anorexics get any pleasure or happiness from being hospitalized against their will. But what in your mind constitutes harm? A scratch? A bruise? A paddle mark? What in your mind do you think is happening when two people are engaged in a consenting act ( lets say a flogging) and both are turned on as hell, and are deriving pure pleasure from it? They both want it to happen. It is NOT harm.

    There are people who are on the more hardcore extreme side. There is still nothing wrong with that as long as you can get up and walk away and continue on with your regular life. It's their choice. It's still what they want to do. There is no harm there.

    My only concern would be those who allow others to do permanent harm or injury to them. But that's not the conversation we are having here, and those books never broached that topic.

    [/quote]

    Of course anorexics don't get, pleasure via; being forced to eat but they do from, the image that they try to achieve while; starving themselves! So if their harmful pleasure isn't okay (especially legally) despite, not harming anyone else how's any other form of; harmful pleasure not just as awful?
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    MeganAM89 wrote: »
    Char231023 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.


    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!


    I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.

    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.

    Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!

    Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?

    I'm reading everything like William Shatner.

    I dislike, finishing sentences & I use semicolons incorrectly to, not overuse commas within; 1 sentence unless listing!
  • JLAJ81
    JLAJ81 Posts: 2,477 Member
    I suspect someone is actually more vanilla than they think they are.

    Choosing not to be disrespectful of, victim's plights via mocking them; isn't being vanilla!

    Lol wat? ;:-.,
  • YvetteK2015
    YvetteK2015 Posts: 654 Member
    Of course anorexics don't get, pleasure via; being forced to eat but they do from, the image that they try to achieve while; starving themselves! So if their harmful pleasure isn't okay (especially legally) despite, not harming anyone else how's any other form of; harmful pleasure not just as awful?

    Anorexia can cause permanent damage or death. That is the difference. Having your butt smacked, or being cracked with a crop, or being tied up shibari style will not do that. And again, I'm not talking about legitimate psychopaths who would harm people regardless of the lifestyle or not. That's not the issue.

    I don't know what your definition of harm is, but I think it's very different from most people.
  • JukeboxHeroine
    JukeboxHeroine Posts: 348 Member
    MeganAM89 wrote: »
    Char231023 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.


    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!


    I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.

    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.

    Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!

    Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?

    I'm reading everything like William Shatner.

    I have to skip right over those posts. I'm sure she's very sweet and likable but the punctuation makes my eyes literally hurt.
  • davedoubleu
    davedoubleu Posts: 831 Member
    this movie is so different then the real life of BDSM

    You'd know? ;)
  • Morgaen73
    Morgaen73 Posts: 2,817 Member
    MeganAM89 wrote: »
    Char231023 wrote: »
    While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.


    As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?

    For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!

    @Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!


    I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.

    BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.

    Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!

    I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!

    Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?

    I'm reading everything like William Shatner.

    OMG I just read it in a Captain Kirk voice ROFLMAO.