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There was definetly a side of cheesy served up with the first one (haven't seen the second) but I'm getting out my shovel 'cuz I was diggin' it.0
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
I have to say that to some people it is not a consent thing but a sex thing. There are a lot of people that like bondage, it is their turn on go to place to play and let loose in a private setting. If both partners are willing there is no slavery involved, it is however another avenue for enjoying sex just like using toys are or having sex in public.DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
Huh? This is like saying you dont agree with consensual sex because it minimizes the horror of rape. Your saying that my partner and I, who are both consenting adults, cant live out our fantasies because it may make someone else (who has absolutely nothing to do with what we are doing) feel bad? What if we dont tell them about it? Would that be more acceptable? There is a HUGE difference between actions taken by consenting adults and situations forced on people.
I've read the books and I saw the first movie. Really not with it.CowgirlBaby42 wrote: »this movie is so different then the real life of BDSM
Soooo much this.Kepplekakes wrote: »Its was completely boring! I expected way more.
My wife's exact words lol
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I have a friend who was abused by her uncle and she and her boyfriend partake in rape play. It is her way of dealing with it. Who are you to judge?
Talking about water, we are in a severe draught. Our city literally has enough water for 3 more months and it is not our rainy season. Are you going to empty your pool and stop showering now because showering desensitizes you to our plight?
Let me be honest. I enjoy getting the *kitten* flogged out of me. Helps me work through some of my own crap and my wife enjoys flogging me. Again, who are you to judge or imply that it is wrong because somewhere in some place I am completely unaware of someone is actually being whipped against their will?
Well then why's it, okay to; institutionalize anorexics because their starving themselves might, help them deal with; their self image?
Uhm perhaps because they are harming themselves? I have no idea why your laws are the way they are. I can tell you it has absolutely buggerall to do with starving children in Africa.2 -
PersianKitty94 wrote: »The best way to rate it: Was it still a better love story than Twilight?
Well, it was a direct rip=off of Twilight, so it's tough to say. Both are insulting to the idea of literature and movies.0 -
browneyedgirl749 wrote: »tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
I have to say that to some people it is not a consent thing but a sex thing. There are a lot of people that like bondage, it is their turn on go to place to play and let loose in a private setting. If both partners are willing there is no slavery involved, it is however another avenue for enjoying sex just like using toys are or having sex in public.
It's a fetish... like feet and wearing cartoon costumes. To each their own. I say get your freak on anyway you want as long as it's consensual.
None of this is why people consider the relationship abusive.0 -
If anything, I think these books and movies (no matter how cheesy) has helped society open up about something that was so on the DL for decades. It's more than just bedroom play to some people. It's an overall lifestyle. Some men and women love to be dominated 24/7. BDSM isn't just about female submissives. Women can be a dominatrix. You can have some of the most powerful professional women being dominate during the day turn into being a submissive at night, all by their choice. One of them is a good friend of mine. She's an attorney, a damn good one. She enjoys beating men in the courtroom. But at night, she's all "yes sir no sir" and takes orders from her man. She says it's her way of relieving the stress of her day. People deal with tragic previous events and stress in all different ways. Some like to talk it out, some like to have a good *kitten* spanking. No one has any right to judge how people deal with their demons. I don't judge people who are vanilla, so I don't expect them to judge me when I tell them I keep a flogger, blind fold, and restraints in my bedroom.5
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
I have to say that to some people it is not a consent thing but a sex thing. There are a lot of people that like bondage, it is their turn on go to place to play and let loose in a private setting. If both partners are willing there is no slavery involved, it is however another avenue for enjoying sex just like using toys are or having sex in public.DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
Huh? This is like saying you dont agree with consensual sex because it minimizes the horror of rape. Your saying that my partner and I, who are both consenting adults, cant live out our fantasies because it may make someone else (who has absolutely nothing to do with what we are doing) feel bad? What if we dont tell them about it? Would that be more acceptable? There is a HUGE difference between actions taken by consenting adults and situations forced on people.
I've read the books and I saw the first movie. Really not with it.CowgirlBaby42 wrote: »this movie is so different then the real life of BDSM
Soooo much this.Kepplekakes wrote: »Its was completely boring! I expected way more.
My wife's exact words lol
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I have a friend who was abused by her uncle and she and her boyfriend partake in rape play. It is her way of dealing with it. Who are you to judge?
Talking about water, we are in a severe draught. Our city literally has enough water for 3 more months and it is not our rainy season. Are you going to empty your pool and stop showering now because showering desensitizes you to our plight?
Let me be honest. I enjoy getting the *kitten* flogged out of me. Helps me work through some of my own crap and my wife enjoys flogging me. Again, who are you to judge or imply that it is wrong because somewhere in some place I am completely unaware of someone is actually being whipped against their will?
Well then why's it, okay to; institutionalize anorexics because their starving themselves might, help them deal with; their self image?
Two totally different things. When two people are having consensual sex, they are not hurting one another, they are participating in an act that both want. Just a little judgmental in my opinion but that is what the interwebs are for.1 -
They are the silliest books I've ever read and the movies are fun but brainless. If you want good erotica movie watch the 80's movie, 9 1/2 Weeks, when Mickey Rourke looked great before all his plastic surgeries. (By no means am I promoting physical or mental abuse. This was one of those movies I happened to watch back when).
Love, Love, LOVE 9 1/2 Weeks! Much better than 50 Shades, books or movies. They dropped the ball when casting Jamie Dornan...should've been Ian Somerhalder HANDS DOWN!! Who in hell would drool over Dornan?1 -
I read the books, I can't say I was impressed but they were good enough to have me complete the trilogy.
IMHO the movie (I only saw the first) was extremely mis-cast. Anastasia was a somewhat flighty, silly girl in the books, all that "Inner goddess" stuff. Dakota Johnson played her as a sulky teenager. Christian is described as thin and moody (maybe Dakota Johnson should have played that part?) Jamie Duran seemed to be laughing inside and not at all sulky. He also didn't fit the physical description in the book.
I thought some of the sets were awful, when does a luxury hotel room look like a 1950's rumpus room? In 50 Shades of Grey.
I'll probably see the second one when it's available on DVD...from the library. Can't see myself paying to see it.3 -
I'm constructing my new red room at this very moment4
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.
BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
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BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship
^^^ This. Thank you.4 -
Char231023 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.
BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!-1 -
[/quote]Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, letting a couple use sandpaper (& that's all I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, okay?[/quote]
Your perception of harm is another person's pleasure. I don't think anorexics get any pleasure or happiness from being hospitalized against their will. But what in your mind constitutes harm? A scratch? A bruise? A paddle mark? What in your mind do you think is happening when two people are engaged in a consenting act ( lets say a flogging) and both are turned on as hell, and are deriving pure pleasure from it? They both want it to happen. It is NOT harm.
There are people who are on the more hardcore extreme side. There is still nothing wrong with that as long as you can get up and walk away and continue on with your regular life. It's their choice. It's still what they want to do. There is no harm there.
My only concern would be those who allow others to do permanent harm or injury to them. But that's not the conversation we are having here, and those books never broached that topic.
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sorry for the format fail0
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There wasn't any "good bits" PLOP!!! Your man is a fine thing tho I'd bet I would make him cry2
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.
BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!
Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?
I'm reading everything like William Shatner.
Ah stop been the grammar police1 -
JennyHsavage wrote: »There wasn't any "good bits" PLOP!!! Your man is a fine thing tho I'd bet I would make him cry
I Laughed out Loud at this!
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JennyHsavage wrote: »There wasn't any "good bits" PLOP!!! Your man is a fine thing tho I'd bet I would make him cry
I Laughed out Loud at this!
Hehehe just been honest0 -
Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!YvetteK2015 wrote: »
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, letting a couple use sandpaper (& that's all I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, okay?[/quote]
Your perception of harm is another person's pleasure. I don't think anorexics get any pleasure or happiness from being hospitalized against their will. But what in your mind constitutes harm? A scratch? A bruise? A paddle mark? What in your mind do you think is happening when two people are engaged in a consenting act ( lets say a flogging) and both are turned on as hell, and are deriving pure pleasure from it? They both want it to happen. It is NOT harm.
There are people who are on the more hardcore extreme side. There is still nothing wrong with that as long as you can get up and walk away and continue on with your regular life. It's their choice. It's still what they want to do. There is no harm there.
My only concern would be those who allow others to do permanent harm or injury to them. But that's not the conversation we are having here, and those books never broached that topic.
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Of course anorexics don't get, pleasure via; being forced to eat but they do from, the image that they try to achieve while; starving themselves! So if their harmful pleasure isn't okay (especially legally) despite, not harming anyone else how's any other form of; harmful pleasure not just as awful?-1 -
DeficitDuchess wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.
BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!
Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?
I'm reading everything like William Shatner.
I dislike, finishing sentences & I use semicolons incorrectly to, not overuse commas within; 1 sentence unless listing!1 -
DeficitDuchess wrote: »Kepplekakes wrote: »I suspect someone is actually more vanilla than they think they are.
Choosing not to be disrespectful of, victim's plights via mocking them; isn't being vanilla!
Lol wat? ;:-.,0 -
Of course anorexics don't get, pleasure via; being forced to eat but they do from, the image that they try to achieve while; starving themselves! So if their harmful pleasure isn't okay (especially legally) despite, not harming anyone else how's any other form of; harmful pleasure not just as awful?
Anorexia can cause permanent damage or death. That is the difference. Having your butt smacked, or being cracked with a crop, or being tied up shibari style will not do that. And again, I'm not talking about legitimate psychopaths who would harm people regardless of the lifestyle or not. That's not the issue.
I don't know what your definition of harm is, but I think it's very different from most people.3 -
DeficitDuchess wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.
BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!
Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?
I'm reading everything like William Shatner.
I have to skip right over those posts. I'm sure she's very sweet and likable but the punctuation makes my eyes literally hurt.1 -
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »
As I've said I am not vanilla but why'd someone desire to, pretend to be a rape victim via; "play rape"?tmanfromtexas wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »While I am not, vanilla I'm not; vile either & thus I've no interest in, viewing this ill treatment of; people! To me it'd be, like watching a glorified sexual version of; Roots & to me consensual slavery's a, slap in the face to; those that're/were slaves whether, sexual or not. Plus it, also minimizes their; suffering because someone's then able to excuse it as not being so bad since, people consent to; being treated this way.
For instance we hospitalize anorexics despite, their consent to; starve themselves & thus their extreme behavior also minimizes the, suffering of people whom're truly starving without; it being a choice! 1 could become desensitized to the plight of starvation by indicating that since, there're people whom choose to starve themselves then; starving isn't a problem!
@Morgaen73 plus healthy sex isn't a, prerequisite to; rape. Just like, drinking water isn't to; drowning!
I think you are confused about eating disorders, slavery and sub/dom agreements.
BTW you really shouldn't comment on other peoples fetishes as vile. Especially when you can't grasp the concept of being in a consenting adult relationship.
Both of which're incidents within, which 1's consenting to; being harmed whether it be self inflicted or having, someone else; harm them! It's just that 1 of, them involves someone being hospitalized against; their will & the other, doesn't that's the; only difference but both're a, consent to harm so; that's the connection & thus, no confusion!
I had looked to see what my competition was, on a dating website most; were obvious fake profiles but 1 was shocking she, was using crutches for months after, allowing a couple to use sandpaper (& that's all that I am able to, say without; getting graphic) How's that, an okay; consensual agreement? That someone's literally, suffering via; such an encounter!
Can I ask why you like using commas and semicolons so much?
I'm reading everything like William Shatner.
OMG I just read it in a Captain Kirk voice ROFLMAO.0
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