Gaining weight by exercising more and eating less---Could it be starvation mode?
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CorinnePina wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »You asked for help but ............ you believe your dietician is right. Not sure what you need. Do you track your intake accurately?
When I wasn't tracking accurately I was not getting anywhere. I was spinning my wheels.5 -
CorinnePina wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »You asked for help but ............ you believe your dietician is right. Not sure what you need. Do you track your intake accurately?
Most of us have experienced it and 90% of the time it comes down to inaccurately logging our food. The other 10% is medical issues. If you don't weigh everything you eat start there. If you do weigh everything and you aren't losing, see your doctor for blood work.15 -
CorinnePina wrote: »Looks like you have people with full access to your history and with significant testing resources available to them trying to help you deal with an adaptive thermogenesis situation.
I have two questions.
What do you expect the community with no access to you or your records to offer to you?
Why are you focused on losing WEIGHT at a BMI of 20?Looks like you have people with full access to your history and with significant testing resources available to them trying to help you deal with an adaptive thermogenesis situation.
I have two questions.
What do you expect the community with no access to you or your records to offer to you?
Why are you focused on losing WEIGHT at a BMI of 20?
I just want to lose 5 pounds. I was always 122-125. I just all of a sudden gained 6 pounds changing nothing. I mean how can "adaptive thermogenesis" be a myth? If my BMR is 1,685 calories and I eat only 1,400; my body goes into conversation mode.
A 6 pound weight gain is likely water retention and could be caused by any number of reasons.
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CorinnePina wrote: »You need an RD and not a nutritionist.
Your NET calories is likely much less than a 1000 calories a day. 1500 minus 600 is 900 and you still haven't added in just regular NEAT (walking to your car, walking around work, walking around home, etc.) Say that's an extra 200 calories. Now you're at 700 calories a day. That's a VLCD and can play havoc with your metabolic rate.
Eating too little results in a lower metabolic rate. It's not "starvation" but adaptive thermogenisis.
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I see your Indirect Calorimeter test and again, if you go by the numbers and you state you eat only 1400 calories, your NET calories are right around 500. That's the diet they put OBESE people on (VLCD).
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I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?2
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I am nowhere near your stats (I wish I were!) and when this happens to me it is water weight, sometimes from something that didn't show up as salty on the MFP stats, so I wasn't expecting it. I'm too old for this issue, but could you possibly be pregnant? I would think your dietician has checked, or had you check, but if it is theoretically possible, you might want to check it out.0
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jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
You're also not BMI 20 and creating a deficit that cannot be supported by your available fat stores.
Having said that, the weight "gain" fluctuation is not what adaptive thermogenesis is about.
And having said that the OPs focus on weight while at a low normal weight and with a build that is unlikely to be skinny fat given her exercise levels is of concern to me at least.4 -
True, but when I was a BMI of 20 I still lost weight when I didn't eat enough.
And since were editing, I did not say her weight gain or adaptive thermogenesis had anything to do with fluctuation. I don't have the OP's situation figured out, hence the questions.2 -
This was me this time last year. I'm 5'6", athletic, have always been around 118-123. Early 2016 I got injured and became slightly more sedentary - my weight shot up 8lb in 2 werks. Made no sense. I started training again and counting calories, netting around 1000-1300 each day, depending on my training schedule, and I could NOT lose any weight. But I stuck to the lifestyle because it helped me be more mindful about what I ate and I thought it was the right thing to do anyway.
This went on for about 10months - no weight loss. Then beginning of this year - my weight dropped. 6 lb in 2 months - and I didn't feel like I changed anything. Again, it did not make any sense to me - but through this process, I learned to not obsess over the whole weight thing, and completely revamped my eating habits.
I know this probably didn't help you much - I was in your shoes, and know how frustrating it could be. But since you asked for similar experiences, I thought I'd share. At the end of the day - take the long-term view -- do your best with eating well and within limits, the weight will drop, and you'll be healthier. As for increasing calories - if you feel good eating 1,500 at the current activity level, then I wouldn't raise the caloric intake. I don't think starvation mode is all it's cracked up to be.3 -
jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
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CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
Scales are far more accurate than measuring cups.8 -
CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
A pound of fat is gained by eating an extra 3500 calories. So, for you to gain 6 pounds in a month you would have to be eating 700 calories over your TDEE everyday. Something is not adding up big time.
Using a food scale would be more accurate. Not sure it's your solution, but it wouldn't hurt.3 -
CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
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CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
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I can see this. So I have to increase my calories, which was my question in the beginning right?1 -
CorinnePina wrote: »CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
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I can see this. So I have to increase my calories, which was my question in the beginning right?
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Your bmi is 20.1 you are on the low end of the normal range. Eat at least your base metabolic rate.1
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CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
During your recovery from anorexia have you ever reached a BMI of 22?3 -
I started working with an RD a few months ago because I wanted to focus on improving performance in triathlons and not just attempting to lose weight
I had the same tests done that you did - and found similar (I had been averaging about 1400cal a day) and that was under my BMR. They slowly started moving me up in calories - I now take in between 2100 and 2400 a day (had a cycle that they have me on) and I've been weight stabled at about 149lbs, focusing on recomp2 -
CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
During your recovery from anorexia have you ever reached a BMI of 22?CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
During your recovery from anorexia have you ever reached a BMI of 22?CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
During your recovery from anorexia have you ever reached a BMI of 22?
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CorinnePina wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »I've been dieting for six months straight and have not experienced adaptive thermogenesis, starvation mode, or conservation mode. As I understand it adaptive thermogenesis happens when a person eats a low calorie diet over a long period of time. Your print out is interesting, but it does not answer all our questions. How long have you been tracking your calories and body weight? When did you gain six pounds? Are you measuring your food portions with a scale, measuring cups, or estimating?
I've been under eating and over exercising for many years. I also had anorexia from from age 15-30. I just want to get it "right" this time. I don't lose any weight restricting calories any further; I tried that for the past 15 years too. I used to eat 1,200 calories a day and workout 3 hours a day and not lose any weight. My weight seems to have these sudden fluctuations.
Do you not like the way you look currently? If you think you look great, why care about the number on the scale?
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