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Adrenal Fatigue?
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
This is my stance, too. What currently concerns me is that people are being taken advantage of to 'cure' the vague symptoms that Adrenal Fatigue espouses, possibly delaying proper medical attention/diagnosis for real medical issues that need to be addressed and treated.comptonelizabeth wrote: »Personally I've not read anything to convince me it's a thing but I know that things like ME and fibromyalgia were once thought not to be a thing but are now well recognised, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
The problem is often finding a practioner who can figure out what specialist to send you to. I have had chronic and severe symptoms of Hashimoto and Sjogren's w/severe dry eye and chronic fatigue for over a year. Bloodwork is all negative so far. Getting ready to test cortisol next week. Insurance is ballocks with a high deductible. People are suffering and desperate. I'm tempted to dive into Woo-ville myself in desperation. Dr has no idea and has made it clear he isn't interested in expediting the investigation efficiently. Meanwhile, I'm up 6 times a night trying to keep my eyes from injuring themselves. Sometimes I sleep too deeply from exhaustion and get an eye injury anyway about 3 times a week. I haven't slept more than 1.5hrs at a time in 18 months, while being expected to care for and homeschool 4 kids. I'm paying $103/month out-of-pocket for a med to help the dryness. It doesn't work much, and not at night when I need it to the most. I wait a month at a time for the results of one lab to check 1 thing while I suffer with no effective treatment and no answers. I know I'm not the only one who deals with something similar.
I want to find the cause so it will effing stop. That's all anyone wants. And when the medical system can't or won't cooperate, or you are underinsured or have no insurance at all, then people are compelled to find someone who has answers for them. The people who pursue Adrenal Fatigue cures are often like me; it's their last hope in a broken system that has failed them.
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baconslave wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
This is my stance, too. What currently concerns me is that people are being taken advantage of to 'cure' the vague symptoms that Adrenal Fatigue espouses, possibly delaying proper medical attention/diagnosis for real medical issues that need to be addressed and treated.comptonelizabeth wrote: »Personally I've not read anything to convince me it's a thing but I know that things like ME and fibromyalgia were once thought not to be a thing but are now well recognised, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
The problem is often finding a practioner who can figure out what specialist to send you to. I have had chronic and severe symptoms of Hashimoto and Sjogren's w/severe dry eye and chronic fatigue for over a year. Bloodwork is all negative so far. Getting ready to test cortisol next week. Insurance is ballocks with a high deductible. People are suffering and desperate. I'm tempted to dive into Woo-ville myself in desperation. Dr has no idea and has made it clear he isn't interested in expediting the investigation efficiently. Meanwhile, I'm up 6 times a night trying to keep my eyes from injuring themselves. Sometimes I sleep too deeply from exhaustion and get an eye injury anyway about 3 times a week. I haven't slept more than 1.5hrs at a time in 18 months, while being expected to care for and homeschool 4 kids. I'm paying $103/month out-of-pocket for a med to help the dryness. It doesn't work much, and not at night when I need it to the most. I wait a month at a time for the results of one lab to check 1 thing while I suffer with no effective treatment and no answers. I know I'm not the only one who deals with something similar.
I want to find the cause so it will effing stop. That's all anyone wants. And when the medical system can't or won't cooperate, or you are underinsured or have no insurance at all, then people are compelled to find someone who has answers for them. The people who pursue Adrenal Fatigue cures are often like me; it's their last hope in a broken system that has failed them.
Wow,that sucks. I know in the UK it can be hard to get a diagnosis of any thyroid problems because the Base levels of "normality " in blood tests are too low or too high so people on the cusp are not diagnosed.
It took me 2 years to get a diagnosis of ulcerative colitis after repeatedly being told it was ibs. This was despite symptoms which were similar to those of bowel cancer. So I do sympathise. But what I have discovered for myself,having tried a load of different miracle supplements and diets is,they don't work and they are expensive.
By the way I suffer from really dry eyes and I use some fantastic drops ! But I'm guessing you've tried everything and,like me,are sick of well meaning people asking if you've tried this or that product!0 -
baconslave wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
This is my stance, too. What currently concerns me is that people are being taken advantage of to 'cure' the vague symptoms that Adrenal Fatigue espouses, possibly delaying proper medical attention/diagnosis for real medical issues that need to be addressed and treated.comptonelizabeth wrote: »Personally I've not read anything to convince me it's a thing but I know that things like ME and fibromyalgia were once thought not to be a thing but are now well recognised, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
The problem is often finding a practioner who can figure out what specialist to send you to. I have had chronic and severe symptoms of Hashimoto and Sjogren's w/severe dry eye and chronic fatigue for over a year. Bloodwork is all negative so far. Getting ready to test cortisol next week. Insurance is ballocks with a high deductible. People are suffering and desperate. I'm tempted to dive into Woo-ville myself in desperation. Dr has no idea and has made it clear he isn't interested in expediting the investigation efficiently. Meanwhile, I'm up 6 times a night trying to keep my eyes from injuring themselves. Sometimes I sleep too deeply from exhaustion and get an eye injury anyway about 3 times a week. I haven't slept more than 1.5hrs at a time in 18 months, while being expected to care for and homeschool 4 kids. I'm paying $103/month out-of-pocket for a med to help the dryness. It doesn't work much, and not at night when I need it to the most. I wait a month at a time for the results of one lab to check 1 thing while I suffer with no effective treatment and no answers. I know I'm not the only one who deals with something similar.
I want to find the cause so it will effing stop. That's all anyone wants. And when the medical system can't or won't cooperate, or you are underinsured or have no insurance at all, then people are compelled to find someone who has answers for them. The people who pursue Adrenal Fatigue cures are often like me; it's their last hope in a broken system that has failed them.
That sounds awful. Sorry to hear that your going through all that. My question to you would be how would a fake diagnosis help you? I'd rather be told the truth that modern medicine just doesn't have answer. I wouldn't want to purposely be lied to.
Part of the issue is that modern medicine doesn't always have an answer for everything, so it's understandable that people get frustrated and desperate. We as humans don't like uncertainty. The quacks understand that also, and they realize that it's that desperation and uncertainty that they can feed off of to line their Bank accounts. Keep in mind the quacks will sell you false hope, usually with a fake diagnosis, bogus tests and useless supplements. Insurance or no insurance, all that doesn't come cheap, the quacks don't work for free.0 -
My brother nearly made his adrenals fail. He was overdosing on sugar and caffeine. He used to run a lot and is skinny, but now has permanent health problems. Now he just coaches track and field, but running too much actually can aggravate his condition. So you can hurt your adrenals. It's a medical fact. He also still struggles with sugar addiction, which for him is very real.0
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starryphoenix wrote: »My brother nearly made his adrenals fail. He was overdosing on sugar and caffeine. He used to run a lot and is skinny, but now has permanent health problems. Now he just coaches track and field, but running too much actually can aggravate his condition. So you can hurt your adrenals. It's a medical fact. He also still struggles with sugar addiction, which for him is very real.
I guess the only thing he can take solace in is the fact that neither adrenal fatigue nor sugar addiction have a scientific fact base supporting their existence. I guess I'd rather suffer from imaginary diseases than real ones such as cancer, diabetes, IBS, etc.3 -
It is possible to damage your adrenals with drugs, but sugar isn't one of them1
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »baconslave wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
This is my stance, too. What currently concerns me is that people are being taken advantage of to 'cure' the vague symptoms that Adrenal Fatigue espouses, possibly delaying proper medical attention/diagnosis for real medical issues that need to be addressed and treated.comptonelizabeth wrote: »Personally I've not read anything to convince me it's a thing but I know that things like ME and fibromyalgia were once thought not to be a thing but are now well recognised, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
The problem is often finding a practioner who can figure out what specialist to send you to. I have had chronic and severe symptoms of Hashimoto and Sjogren's w/severe dry eye and chronic fatigue for over a year. Bloodwork is all negative so far. Getting ready to test cortisol next week. Insurance is ballocks with a high deductible. People are suffering and desperate. I'm tempted to dive into Woo-ville myself in desperation. Dr has no idea and has made it clear he isn't interested in expediting the investigation efficiently. Meanwhile, I'm up 6 times a night trying to keep my eyes from injuring themselves. Sometimes I sleep too deeply from exhaustion and get an eye injury anyway about 3 times a week. I haven't slept more than 1.5hrs at a time in 18 months, while being expected to care for and homeschool 4 kids. I'm paying $103/month out-of-pocket for a med to help the dryness. It doesn't work much, and not at night when I need it to the most. I wait a month at a time for the results of one lab to check 1 thing while I suffer with no effective treatment and no answers. I know I'm not the only one who deals with something similar.
I want to find the cause so it will effing stop. That's all anyone wants. And when the medical system can't or won't cooperate, or you are underinsured or have no insurance at all, then people are compelled to find someone who has answers for them. The people who pursue Adrenal Fatigue cures are often like me; it's their last hope in a broken system that has failed them.
Wow,that sucks. I know in the UK it can be hard to get a diagnosis of any thyroid problems because the Base levels of "normality " in blood tests are too low or too high so people on the cusp are not diagnosed.
It took me 2 years to get a diagnosis of ulcerative colitis after repeatedly being told it was ibs. This was despite symptoms which were similar to those of bowel cancer. So I do sympathise. But what I have discovered for myself,having tried a load of different miracle supplements and diets is,they don't work and they are expensive.
By the way I suffer from really dry eyes and I use some fantastic drops ! But I'm guessing you've tried everything and,like me,are sick of well meaning people asking if you've tried this or that product!
Yeah. Restasis never worked for me. I use 2 products simultaneously at night, but despite lower plugs, my eyes suck in moisture like a black hole and 1.5hrs after reapplying them, my eyelids are plastered (every mm) to my cornea. I can try plugging the tops... that's all I have left from the ophthalmologist end. I really need my body make tears at night though.
I do hope you've found a med to back off your symptoms. UC is a witch.
I have tried hundreds of dollars worth of supplements, none of which have done anything but make my pee expensive.
I'm still waiting for the slow turning wheels of the med establishment to uncover something. It does suck.1 -
baconslave wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
This is my stance, too. What currently concerns me is that people are being taken advantage of to 'cure' the vague symptoms that Adrenal Fatigue espouses, possibly delaying proper medical attention/diagnosis for real medical issues that need to be addressed and treated.comptonelizabeth wrote: »Personally I've not read anything to convince me it's a thing but I know that things like ME and fibromyalgia were once thought not to be a thing but are now well recognised, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
The problem is often finding a practioner who can figure out what specialist to send you to. I have had chronic and severe symptoms of Hashimoto and Sjogren's w/severe dry eye and chronic fatigue for over a year. Bloodwork is all negative so far. Getting ready to test cortisol next week. Insurance is ballocks with a high deductible. People are suffering and desperate. I'm tempted to dive into Woo-ville myself in desperation. Dr has no idea and has made it clear he isn't interested in expediting the investigation efficiently. Meanwhile, I'm up 6 times a night trying to keep my eyes from injuring themselves. Sometimes I sleep too deeply from exhaustion and get an eye injury anyway about 3 times a week. I haven't slept more than 1.5hrs at a time in 18 months, while being expected to care for and homeschool 4 kids. I'm paying $103/month out-of-pocket for a med to help the dryness. It doesn't work much, and not at night when I need it to the most. I wait a month at a time for the results of one lab to check 1 thing while I suffer with no effective treatment and no answers. I know I'm not the only one who deals with something similar.
I want to find the cause so it will effing stop. That's all anyone wants. And when the medical system can't or won't cooperate, or you are underinsured or have no insurance at all, then people are compelled to find someone who has answers for them. The people who pursue Adrenal Fatigue cures are often like me; it's their last hope in a broken system that has failed them.
That sounds awful. Sorry to hear that your going through all that. My question to you would be how would a fake diagnosis help you? I'd rather be told the truth that modern medicine just doesn't have answer. I wouldn't want to purposely be lied to.
Part of the issue is that modern medicine doesn't always have an answer for everything, so it's understandable that people get frustrated and desperate. We as humans don't like uncertainty. The quacks understand that also, and they realize that it's that desperation and uncertainty that they can feed off of to line their Bank accounts. Keep in mind the quacks will sell you false hope, usually with a fake diagnosis, bogus tests and useless supplements. Insurance or no insurance, all that doesn't come cheap, the quacks don't work for free.
It wouldn't. Only if something they "prescribed" worked. That's the allure. "Haven't tried this yet. It could the thing that finally ends the hell." So far my experience has been that nothing works, be it woo or legit medicine.0 -
baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
This is my stance, too. What currently concerns me is that people are being taken advantage of to 'cure' the vague symptoms that Adrenal Fatigue espouses, possibly delaying proper medical attention/diagnosis for real medical issues that need to be addressed and treated.comptonelizabeth wrote: »Personally I've not read anything to convince me it's a thing but I know that things like ME and fibromyalgia were once thought not to be a thing but are now well recognised, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
The problem is often finding a practioner who can figure out what specialist to send you to. I have had chronic and severe symptoms of Hashimoto and Sjogren's w/severe dry eye and chronic fatigue for over a year. Bloodwork is all negative so far. Getting ready to test cortisol next week. Insurance is ballocks with a high deductible. People are suffering and desperate. I'm tempted to dive into Woo-ville myself in desperation. Dr has no idea and has made it clear he isn't interested in expediting the investigation efficiently. Meanwhile, I'm up 6 times a night trying to keep my eyes from injuring themselves. Sometimes I sleep too deeply from exhaustion and get an eye injury anyway about 3 times a week. I haven't slept more than 1.5hrs at a time in 18 months, while being expected to care for and homeschool 4 kids. I'm paying $103/month out-of-pocket for a med to help the dryness. It doesn't work much, and not at night when I need it to the most. I wait a month at a time for the results of one lab to check 1 thing while I suffer with no effective treatment and no answers. I know I'm not the only one who deals with something similar.
I want to find the cause so it will effing stop. That's all anyone wants. And when the medical system can't or won't cooperate, or you are underinsured or have no insurance at all, then people are compelled to find someone who has answers for them. The people who pursue Adrenal Fatigue cures are often like me; it's their last hope in a broken system that has failed them.
That sounds awful. Sorry to hear that your going through all that. My question to you would be how would a fake diagnosis help you? I'd rather be told the truth that modern medicine just doesn't have answer. I wouldn't want to purposely be lied to.
Part of the issue is that modern medicine doesn't always have an answer for everything, so it's understandable that people get frustrated and desperate. We as humans don't like uncertainty. The quacks understand that also, and they realize that it's that desperation and uncertainty that they can feed off of to line their Bank accounts. Keep in mind the quacks will sell you false hope, usually with a fake diagnosis, bogus tests and useless supplements. Insurance or no insurance, all that doesn't come cheap, the quacks don't work for free.
It wouldn't. Only if something they "prescribed" worked. That's the allure. "Haven't tried this yet. It could the thing that finally ends the hell." So far my experience has been that nothing works, be it woo or legit medicine.
I agree that the 'desperate people do desperate things' adage can sadly come into play here. Look at all of the quack cancer 'cures' that people buy into. Literally.
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The thing about most chronic and autoimmune diseases is that there is no cure. The best you can hope for is management of periods of remission and relapse. At least conventional medicine is honest about this. Whereas quack remedies make impossible claims. It's taken me 15 years of illness to realise that anything that sounds too good to be true,probably is.5
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »The thing about most chronic and autoimmune diseases is that there is no cure. The best you can hope for is management of periods of remission and relapse. At least conventional medicine is honest about this. Whereas quack remedies make impossible claims. It's taken me 15 years of illness to realise that anything that sounds too good to be true,probably is.
The other problem is that since almost all chronic illness goes through cycles of remission and relapse, it can be really tricky to pinpoint when something actually works. If you take it and you feel better it's natural to assume that whatever you changed made an impact, but lots of times that's not the case, and it was just a coincidence. I even have this problem with tried and true meds. Add a bunch of woo to the mix and it's even tougher to sort out.5 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »The thing about most chronic and autoimmune diseases is that there is no cure. The best you can hope for is management of periods of remission and relapse. At least conventional medicine is honest about this. Whereas quack remedies make impossible claims. It's taken me 15 years of illness to realise that anything that sounds too good to be true,probably is.
The other problem is that since almost all chronic illness goes through cycles of remission and relapse, it can be really tricky to pinpoint when something actually works. If you take it and you feel better it's natural to assume that whatever you changed made an impact, but lots of times that's not the case, and it was just a coincidence. I even have this problem with tried and true meds. Add a bunch of woo to the mix and it's even tougher to sort out.
Absolutely. And it never ceases to amaze me how,when people start to feel better, they invariably put it down to this or that supplement or complementary therapy - never the conventional drug they recently started taking!2 -
True story: my shoulder was aching for about a week. This was before I started MFP, exercise, etc. I hadn't done any heavy lifting or anything. Near as I can tell, I'd slept on it wrong. I was icing it and all, to no avail. I walked into Great American Backrub to see if there was anything I could pick up. (I did get a hot-and-cold compress, btw.) The clerk suggested I book a massage, but I didn't have time. She also suggested an analgesic spray and spritzed some on my hand 'so I could know what it felt like'. (Fair enough. I know some of those gels can sting and burn.) I wasn't interested so I paid for my purchase and moved on.
Five minutes later, my shoulder stopped aching. Completely. Pain didn't come back.
Now simple logic tells me that there is NO WAY that spraying an analgesic on the back of your hand will cure shoulder pain. It's not like the spritz is going to travel to where the pain is. However, even though correlation is not causation, having the pain cease within minutes of spraying that stuff is one heck of a correlation. Still doesn't make it a cure, though.1 -
Skin is porous to some extent so it can absorb creams and ointments and where appropriate take what ever it was into the blood stream, who says it did not travel.0
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Skin is porous to some extent so it can absorb creams and ointments and where appropriate take what ever it was into the blood stream, who says it did not travel.
I have IBD and have been advised not to use anti inflammatory medication- not even in its topical form,so I assume it's absorbed into the system. Not sure it'd work that quickly though!0 -
Maybe, but this was more of a cologne-type spray. It's been my experience with creams and ointments that they need to be applied near the site of the pain and generally need to be rubbed in. I guess anything's possible, but I still don't think it likely.0
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Things applied to the skin is absorbed more quickly than those taken in via digestion, medications sprayed into the mouth are virtually instant.0
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