Why is it SO HARD not to eat kids' leftovers?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I give my kids servings that I know they are likely to eat given experience.
If they have leftovers, I'm not particularly tempted...they somehow manage to "slime" all over their food...and they always have their hands down their pants scratching their butts and whatnot despite constant nagging from mom and dad. Their remaining chicken nugget isn't particularly tempting when you've seen them touching their food with their dirty *kitten* hands...i just tell myself it's contaminated. ick
Yeah, my nephew picks his butt when we aren't looking. If his hands or saliva have touched something, no thank you.
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It is so hard! I mean really, why would they not eat the last bites of pizza with the crust??? That's the best part! I will admit it is getting a little easier the more I stay focused on the weight loss. I've been adding everything in to my diary, every little bite. It's really annoying. But helps to see how much all those little left over bites are adding up to. (The little tasting bites when I'm cooking too!)0
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I feel like I'm lucky that eating off of other people's plates grosses me out. I have this problem with the unserved leftovers though. So I wrap it or scrape it FAST! Don't think, just do.1
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Just think of all the spit that flies onto that food when lil loud kids talk. The saliva that gets all over it when the fork they ate off of scrapes against the food. The germs from lil sticky fingers. UGGGGGGHHHHHH EWWWWWWW!1
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Get a dog?3
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I made the mistake of not putting the homemade naan away immediately after dinner and now it is in my belly.1
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Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
I fail to see how not understanding why 'leftovers = garbage' equals "encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control."
Perhaps what you're trying to do is encourage the OP to think of leftovers as garbage as a mental trick? In that case it would be more clear if that's how you framed it, instead of insisting that something is garbage when it is not necessarily so.
Take leftover grapes or baby carrots for example. Would you have a problem putting these leftovers back in the frig if they had been untouched by the little munchkin's snotty hands?
I wouldn't have had an issue with putting the omelet in the fridge but if the only option I was entertaining was the trash can or my mouth and I didn't actually want to eat it then I would chose the trash can because clearly at that point it is garbage. I'm sorry that offends you so much. I'm still not changing my opinion to make you happy.
You don't offend me. You confuse me.
I don't want you to change your opinion, I want you to explain it, preferably without all the drama, as this hurts your case.1 -
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »@Ready2Rock206 -- If it helps at all i do see what you are saying
It really is no different then anyone else making a choice to eat or not to eat, when i did nothing but pick, pick, pick i felt like it really dragged me down emotionally, i wanted to stop this behavior as a respectful action to myself not only physically so i could lose weight and maintain a deficit, but also mentally because picking is hard to log and i only hated myself for it when i did it. In those senses, i felt like a garbage can.. always putting food in my mouth like a flip lid people push with their foot lol, by finding a way to stop the behavior it was a way of giving myself some respect because i did not need to actively participate in that behavior
See now THIS makes sense to me
Rather than making it about the leftovers, you're discussing your behavior, and your feelings about it, and that I get.3 -
Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
Honestly, I've been the "human garbage disposal" practically my whole life. How fat do I look?
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kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
I fail to see how not understanding why 'leftovers = garbage' equals "encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control."
Perhaps what you're trying to do is encourage the OP to think of leftovers as garbage as a mental trick? In that case it would be more clear if that's how you framed it, instead of insisting that something is garbage when it is not necessarily so.
Take leftover grapes or baby carrots for example. Would you have a problem putting these leftovers back in the frig if they had been untouched by the little munchkin's snotty hands?
I wouldn't have had an issue with putting the omelet in the fridge but if the only option I was entertaining was the trash can or my mouth and I didn't actually want to eat it then I would chose the trash can because clearly at that point it is garbage. I'm sorry that offends you so much. I'm still not changing my opinion to make you happy.
You don't offend me. You confuse me.
I don't want you to change your opinion, I want you to explain it, preferably without all the drama, as this hurts your case.
I can't explain it to someone who has their own agenda. I don't play those games. I'm out.2 -
Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
Honestly, I've been the "human garbage disposal" practically my whole life. How fat do I look?
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But the OP doesn't want to eat the food so she shouldn't feel obligated to do so out of guilt or whatever makes her eat food she doesn't want to eat. She should be free to throw out the food if she doesn't want it, eat it if she does or save it for later. You already know you're an awesome beast who feels great no matter what you do with the food. OP should feel the same about herself.0 -
Ready2Rock206 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
Honestly, I've been the "human garbage disposal" practically my whole life. How fat do I look?
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But the OP doesn't want to eat the food so she shouldn't feel obligated to do so out of guilt or whatever makes her eat food she doesn't want to eat. She should be free to throw out the food if she doesn't want it, eat it if she does or save it for later. You already know you're an awesome beast who feels great no matter what you do with the food. OP should feel the same about herself.
IMO, that's just teaching your kid just how to waste money. Kids aren't dumb, they follow habitual behavior they observe. And the whole "garbage" thing threw me off. It's not garbage when you're eating it, but it is when you can't finish it? I mean, eating it later in the day when one has burned off some calories isn't going to change it's nutritional value. Have it as a snack, or combine it with whatever else you're having that day. It doesn't HAVE to be "garbage" to be thrown away to avoid eating it AT THAT TIME.
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If you want to stop, start with keeping track of every time you do eat those leftovers, write it down in a notebook or something. Also do the visualization of what your child's hands have been while making this record. You will hopefully find it becomes less automatic. The other thing is to have a mantra that "I cannot send this food elsewhere, I forgive my child for the waste." You can do this1
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I'll sometimes give in and eat the leftovers, but I don't feel so bad if I give it to the dog or put it in the compost.0
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Ready2Rock206 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
Honestly, I've been the "human garbage disposal" practically my whole life. How fat do I look?
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But the OP doesn't want to eat the food so she shouldn't feel obligated to do so out of guilt or whatever makes her eat food she doesn't want to eat. She should be free to throw out the food if she doesn't want it, eat it if she does or save it for later. You already know you're an awesome beast who feels great no matter what you do with the food. OP should feel the same about herself.
IMO, that's just teaching your kid just how to waste money. Kids aren't dumb, they follow habitual behavior they observe. And the whole "garbage" thing threw me off. It's not garbage when you're eating it, but it is when you can't finish it? I mean, eating it later in the day when one has burned off some calories isn't going to change it's nutritional value. Have it as a snack, or combine it with whatever else you're having that day. It doesn't HAVE to be "garbage" to be thrown away to avoid eating it AT THAT TIME.
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It's garbage when you want to throw it in the trash but put it in your mouth instead. I never said anything about the quality of the food or the nutritional value. It could be the most nutritional high quality food on the face of the earth but if OP wants to throw it away and not eat it for whatever reason then she shouldn't feel obligated to eat it just because it is good food.0 -
Ready2Rock206 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ready2Rock206 wrote: »You're not a trash can. You don't need to eat garbage. Throw that stuff away. Think of yourself as something to be treated well - not as a human garbage disposal.
That would only be true if she was feeding her kids garbage.
An omelette hardly qualifies.
I was raised in a clean-your-plate generational mentality, because food wasn't something we had an excess of back then. It did take me a while to break that mentality when I became a mom.
We have green bin recycling here - food scraps go into the bin and are collected once a week and composted by the town. Every spring residents can pick up free compost. Works for me, and I no longer feel guilty about not eating leftovers.
But once the kids are done and have eaten all they are going to eat it is garbage - not something she needs to be shoving in her face no matter how healthy it is. Compost bin is fine but she's not a compost bin either. She needs to realize she has more value than that and treat herself accordingly.
I'm confused. When I eat all I'm going to eat and there are leftovers, they are leftovers, not garbage. I often save leftovers for a frittata.
Is it because the food was touched by an apparently toxic child that leftovers become garbage?I hardly think of feeding my kid garbage. Processed food isn't the devil. People who got fat did because they just flat out ate more than they needed to on a daily basis.
Oh I give up. Eat all the damn food and get fat as hell what do I care. I never said processed food was garbage or kids were toxic. I said not to treat your body as a trash can by eating food your kids are not going to eat and no one else is going to eat. If you don't want to keep them as leftovers and they only other option was to throw them away then YES they are garbage. But apparently I should encouraging the OP to shovel every morsel of food in the whole damn house into her mouth without any self control because EAT ALL THE FOOOOOD!!!! Good lord. You people are impossible.
Honestly, I've been the "human garbage disposal" practically my whole life. How fat do I look?
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But the OP doesn't want to eat the food so she shouldn't feel obligated to do so out of guilt or whatever makes her eat food she doesn't want to eat. She should be free to throw out the food if she doesn't want it, eat it if she does or save it for later. You already know you're an awesome beast who feels great no matter what you do with the food. OP should feel the same about herself.
IMO, that's just teaching your kid just how to waste money. Kids aren't dumb, they follow habitual behavior they observe. And the whole "garbage" thing threw me off. It's not garbage when you're eating it, but it is when you can't finish it? I mean, eating it later in the day when one has burned off some calories isn't going to change it's nutritional value. Have it as a snack, or combine it with whatever else you're having that day. It doesn't HAVE to be "garbage" to be thrown away to avoid eating it AT THAT TIME.
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It's garbage when you want to throw it in the trash but put it in your mouth instead. I never said anything about the quality of the food or the nutritional value. It could be the most nutritional high quality food on the face of the earth but if OP wants to throw it away and not eat it for whatever reason then she shouldn't feel obligated to eat it just because it is good food.
So why not teach her it's not an obligation without resorting to labeling it as "garbage"? Again, why not advise on saving it for later? Your first reaction was to just throw it out. Say her kid isn't hungry, yet she makes some food. Just throw it out? Lol, a kid will catch onto that quick.
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Regarding giving it to the dog: just make sure it doesn't have any ingredients that are bad for dogs. (Onions and garlic are toxic for dogs and cats, for example. Grapes /raisins as well.)3
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Habits are hard to break, that's why. It took me over a year of constant battles of willpower to finally stop stuffing foods I didn't even like in my mouth. I would eat stale chips, complain that they're stale, make a "yuck" face, then 30 seconds later reach for more and repeat. Same with bloomed powdery plastic-like chocolate that I somehow tucked away a year ago and forgot then found it while deep cleaning or any foods I don't like but family members brought home and set on the counter. It's not like I can't buy fresh chips or chocolate, why I did it is beyond me, and I still get tempted sometimes but it's way less often and way easier to resist than before. I don't have an explanation for you except "people are weird".3
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Thanks @amusedmonkey, that's pretty much it. Now I just wish I really understood why!
To all the people scrapping over leftovers: everyone has a different policy on this. I will save leftovers if they have not been served up, but if they have been on someone's plate and are half-eaten, I won't. So in this case, the omelette was either going to be finished at that meal, or thrown in the food waste.
I wasn't really looking for advice on whether to eat it or not. I was looking for strength to resist the urge (I got that just by writing the post) and then some insight on why I feel driven to eat things like this when I don't actually want to.
It's such a weird urge, and being intellectually convinced that I needn't eat it, while useful, doesn't seem to make the feeling go away and so in weak moments, like last night, it can still be a problem.2 -
If it helps, one of the ways I helped my willpower with the issues above was to imagine something I really really wanted to eat later that day and how eating something I don't want will mean I won't be able to have something I really want, but it was still a willpower battle regardless.2
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I don't have insight but I do have a plastic spray bottle filled with vinegar and water on my sink that I spray my girls left overs with as soon as they are done so I won't eat them. For me, if it's there, I'll eat it.1
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I am now giving my kids much smaller meals and letting them have seconds if they are really hungry. They generally don't have the second helping which just shows me that I was over feeding them before and setting them on the road to future weight problems. Although as a family we do tend to eat decent home cooked food, I can honestly say that our portions were way too big. I still save their leftovers and have them for my lunch or snacks sometimes For example my lunch yesterday was in my daughters lunchbox the day before!! I couldn't allow myself to throw out smoked salmon on brown bread that she didn't have time to eat in school!!1
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I can't imagine anything more gross than eating after children. :sick:1
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »I can't imagine anything more gross than eating after children. :sick:
I can.
I have a good imagination
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »I can't imagine anything more gross than eating after children. :sick:
I can.
I have a good imagination
Lolz. :laugh:
I have one too and eating after kiddies who do whatever with their hands ranks right up there for me. :sick:1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »I can't imagine anything more gross than eating after children. :sick:
My kids were REALLY good at not touching the portions of their meal they decided they didn't want! Not even with a 10 foot pole.
Now they're 15 and 12 and leftovers are a thing of the past1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »I can't imagine anything more gross than eating after children. :sick:
I can.
I have a good imagination
Lolz. :laugh:
I have one too and eating after kiddies who do whatever with their hands ranks right up there for me. :sick:
Now THERE'S a suggestion!0
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