Let's try again...lolol and talk about fasting...the pros and the cons!!
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Interesting thread here...
First off I just want to state that it's very important for all to show one another respect and understanding...everyone's body and journey is completely different as well as our lifestyles.
I had lost weight doing IF 16/8 ... which I still do. I do fasted cardio in the mornings and eat my first meal at noon-1pm and usually stop eating by 8pm. I lost a necessary 80lbs to get myself to a healthy BMI. Last summer I switched to a 5/2 plan Fasting from dinner to dinner two day a week (my rest days)... and it dropped me my additional last 10lbs. For me the 16/8 is very doable. I'm never starving... I eat healthy.
I'm not an authority on diet... I'm just sharing my experience with you.
Don't shoot! Lol
Best wishes on your journeys ... and good health to you.
Why would anyone shoot at you? LOL
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Not as different as you might think. Weight loss for everybody is governed by eating less than you burn. Regardless of the diet or meal frequency plan you may have chosen. Those are all just individual vehicles on the same road heading to the same destination.5 -
Interesting thread here...
First off I just want to state that it's very important for all to show one another respect and understanding...everyone's body and journey is completely different as well as our lifestyles.
I had lost weight doing IF 16/8 ... which I still do. I do fasted cardio in the mornings and eat my first meal at noon-1pm and usually stop eating by 8pm. I lost a necessary 80lbs to get myself to a healthy BMI. Last summer I switched to a 5/2 plan Fasting from dinner to dinner two day a week (my rest days)... and it dropped me my additional last 10lbs. For me the 16/8 is very doable. I'm never starving... I eat healthy.
I'm not an authority on diet... I'm just sharing my experience with you.
Don't shoot! Lol
Best wishes on your journeys ... and good health to you.
Actually, there are a lot of people here who successfully do IF, it's just another way to eat. The OP is getting push back because he is eating way too few calories and is already very lean for his height. And he gets seriously aggressive at those who bother to point it out to him.
I am always hungry in the morning and at night, it's during the middle of the day that I could forget to eat for having no appetite, which would be a pretty weird eating window LOL. IF just wouldn't work for me, but it's been a revelation for some others I know. :drinker:5 -
yvanvillegas wrote: »yvanvillegas wrote: »OP, you should probably step back and take an objective look at what you're doing and saying. On one hand you claim that your methods are awesome and argue with anybody who tries to tell you otherwise. On the other hand you complain of looking "like a crackhead" every time you try to lean out.
If the methods aren't getting the desired results, then the methods are faulty. Or to put it another way, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
1.I never claimed my methods are awesome if I did please copy and paste my quote.
2. I don't argue with other folks I simply disagree and open for insightful thoughts... and ideas
3. I am aware that my methods are too strict sometimes never did I encourage my lifestyle and nutrition on nobody else.
4. Over the span of days (less than a week)on a 2000kcal diet I will gain fat I hate gaining fat.
5. 1800kcal daily limit to me is more than I need to function and get a kick as workout and on top of that add a 5 mile run
6.1800kcal daily limit for me is what keeps me around 150-153lbs with some fat around my stomach and at 16% bf according to the BIA machine
Thanks.
But why? Fat can be lost and it's not fat over a few days it's your body filling out with some much needed calories. Suck it up and eat more for a few months, see what that does for you. I bet you'd be surprised at how full your muscles can get and how little fat you will actually gain. You're simply not gaining fat on a few days at 2,000 calories, if you are your hormones are so far jacked up that staying below 2,000 is going to result in long term damage.
I don't know if you've ever been fat, but this is a good read:
http://jcdfitness.com/2009/10/the-former-fat-boy-syndrome/
OK thank you for the idea, yes I was fat 188-192lbs early 20s it was horrible
5' 9" @ 190lbs... You are either exceptionally hard on yourself, OR you have an unhealthy perspective on what is lean/fat/etc.
I'm 5 8, 180ish... and while I'm by no mean lean... I'm not fat either. And I carry ALL my excess weight in my torso and midsection.
You clearly don't want to hear it, and you're obviously set in your ways/thinking... but you're not going to get much support around here. Threads like this will never get you anything you like. So the question is this: are all of us wrong, or do you need to take a step back and re-evaluate?
5' 9" @ 170lbs and 10% BF is going to look very different than 5' 9" and 10% BF at 140lbs.
Lastly, if I take your stats at face value, you've got ~24lbs of fat mass currently. To get to 10% BF, you'd have to drop 9lbs of JUST fat. That brings you to about 140lbs. Considering you'll lose some lean body mass with that fat, you'll probaby have to get closer to 135lbs to be at 10% BF. 5' 9" @ 135lbs... that ain't good.
Totally and 100% agree. I'm 5'7" and cut down to about 162 restricting too much and did not like the way I looked. I actually went back up to about 172, lowered my bf% to that 10-13% range and felt a ton better. It took a ton of work and patience, but totally worth it.4 -
Totally and 100% agree. I'm 5'7" and cut down to about 162 restricting too much and did not like the way I looked. I actually went back up to about 172, lowered my bf% to that 10-13% range and felt a ton better. It took a ton of work and patience, but totally worth it.
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New article in AcSM describing how the body adapts to a new daily calorie intake, so you probably can build muscle at 1500kcal-1800kcal instead of 2300kcal and looking like the michelin man
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yvanvillegas wrote: »New article in AcSM describing how the body adapts to a new daily calorie intake, so you probably can build muscle at 1500kcal-1800kcal instead of 2300kcal and looking like the michelin man
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Dude, Most guys wouldn't gain a single Gram on 2300, much less Look Like the Michelin man...2 -
yvanvillegas wrote: »New article in AcSM describing how the body adapts to a new daily calorie intake, so you probably can build muscle at 1500kcal-1800kcal instead of 2300kcal and looking like the michelin man
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Yea.. no. I am a woman and I wouldn't even maintain, nevermind gain on 2300. Ha.2 -
I also suspect some sort of substance abuse going on here as well.1
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I enjoy fasting when i want to drop a few pounds really quickly.0
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ladyhusker39 wrote: »I also suspect some sort of substance abuse going on here as well.
Only in your dreams!1 -
yvanvillegas wrote: »So you fast from 3pm to 6am?
An you refeed once a week?
Are you just looking for other fasters, or is there a question?
Looking for other fasters and would like stats, experience on how fasting has helped or not helped basically. I mention fasting and the whole room goes wild, maybe because there are a lot of "cookie monsters" or "snack craving" lunatics that mistake hunger for a lack of NOT DRINKING WATER OR STAYING PROPERLY HYDRATED
How incredibly rude to ask for advice and then throw out childish insults against people.
Are you hangry? I would be on your calorie allowance.
Yes I've fasted (two different protocols). I found one helpful and one just irritated me for no real benefit.
Crucially though I did my fasting protocols at reasonable calorie levels for both weight loss and maintenance. Don't deflect people's concern about your calorie intake as a general distaste or misunderstanding of IF.
For perspective I'm 57, 5'9" and currently maintaining on about 3000 cals. I'm not very lean though as it's not a goal of mine.
PS - have you considered that your BIA device may well be inaccurate? Don't base decisions on shaky data.
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yvanvillegas wrote: »New article in AcSM describing how the body adapts to a new daily calorie intake, so you probably can build muscle at 1500kcal-1800kcal instead of 2300kcal and looking like the michelin man
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What? 2300 is my maintenance as a largely sedentary outside of exercise 158lb female. I think you need to work on what are clearly very disordered habits. It's not something to be proud of that you've been undereating for so long you've experienced a huge amount of adaptive thermogenesis and now maintain at, well, who knows, a piddly amount of calories for sure. Food is not your enemy, you are at this point.8 -
I used fast once a week or so but I grew up in a culture where we fast for spiritual reasons. And I guess I just got use to it. I like how I feel when I fast. I think fasting isn’t harmful as long as you’re eating appropriate calories the rest of the week. When I was fasting weekly, I ate 1,500 - 1,800 calories the rest of the week. But right now, I’m trying to lose weight, so I’m eating 1,200 calories a day and no longer fasting.0
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