Cabbage soup diet
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@DeficitDuchess @MaddieRainbowHealth
Soooo... You're both right?
The issue: Most people shout 'starvation mode' to claim CICO doesn't work. (i.e. I'm eating 800 cal, and can't lose)
Set aside the fact that I'm skeptical that people who make these claims are really counting calories correctly..
However the real issue is that if you eat too few calories, your body IS going to try and keep you alive. It WILL make you sluggish and tired, convince you NOT to tap your foot, use the stairs, park your car farther out, go for that run.
Remember, most of the calories you burn during the day, are NOT from your workout. You burn more just doing your daily activities. Drop your activity, your CO drops dramatically. Obviously this means you would have to drop calories more drastically to compensate. (not really a good idea)
The Livestrong article is only claiming that you will move more if you have the energy to do so. So a smaller calorie deficit is better than a large one....0 -
Oh my gosh. I didn't think this was around. I tried this when I was in college over 20 years ago. By day 3, the smell of that soup made me nauseated.
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Just wanted to add to my previous post..
The term 'starvation mode' is overloaded.
Obviously people die of starvation in third world countries, and in first world countries of anorexia.
The issue most often discussed on these boards is related to people who are trying to create too large a deficit (if they're counting properly in the first place)0 -
MsDivine831 wrote: »Anyone tried this diet with successful weight loss? I'm gonna be doing this for the next week and would love to hear and share the experience!
The Dolly Parton diet circa 1970's.......this is still making the rounds huh?
This is an awful diet. You will lose some water weight, learn to hate certain foods.....and the weight will come back as soon as you resume regular eating. This is from personal experience.
Weight loss is just the FIRST step. Keeping the weight off requires changes. The Dolly Parton diet isn't going to give you any tools required for weight maintenance.2 -
You'll fart a lot.1
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annaskiski wrote: »@DeficitDuchess @MaddieRainbowHealth
Soooo... You're both right?
The issue: Most people shout 'starvation mode' to claim CICO doesn't work. (i.e. I'm eating 800 cal, and can't lose)
Set aside the fact that I'm skeptical that people who make these claims are really counting calories correctly..
However the real issue is that if you eat too few calories, your body IS going to try and keep you alive. It WILL make you sluggish and tired, convince you NOT to tap your foot, use the stairs, park your car farther out, go for that run.
Remember, most of the calories you burn during the day, are NOT from your workout. You burn more just doing your daily activities. Drop your activity, your CO drops dramatically. Obviously this means you would have to drop calories more drastically to compensate. (not really a good idea)
The Livestrong article is only claiming that you will move more if you have the energy to do so. So a smaller calorie deficit is better than a large one....
Which describes, metabolism lowering! Sort of like driving a vehicle, without the heat or air conditioning on; it uses less fuel to get you to your destination but it's still using fuel!-1 -
I tried this several years ago, took advice from a friend. While the soup doesn't taste bad, I really like cabbage - holy heck did it go through me. Moral of the story - it's not sustainable. You're restricting your calories, it doesn't have much to do with the combination of food your eating. But if nothing else, try it for the delicious soup
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annaskiski wrote: »Just wanted to add to my previous post..
The term 'starvation mode' is overloaded.
Obviously people die of starvation in third world countries, and in first world countries of anorexia.
The issue most often discussed on these boards is related to people who are trying to create too large a deficit (if they're counting properly in the first place)
The only time a, body'll hold onto to fat's if; it's overfed!0 -
MsDivine831 wrote: »Anyone tried this diet with successful weight loss? I'm gonna be doing this for the next week and would love to hear and share the experience!
The Dolly Parton diet circa 1970's.......this is still making the rounds huh?
This is an awful diet. You will lose some water weight, learn to hate certain foods.....and the weight will come back as soon as you resume regular eating. This is from personal experience.
Weight loss is just the FIRST step. Keeping the weight off requires changes. The Dolly Parton diet isn't going to give you any tools required for weight maintenance.
Will you get bigger boobs on this diet though? That is the real question...0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »MsDivine831 wrote: »Anyone tried this diet with successful weight loss? I'm gonna be doing this for the next week and would love to hear and share the experience!
The Dolly Parton diet circa 1970's.......this is still making the rounds huh?
This is an awful diet. You will lose some water weight, learn to hate certain foods.....and the weight will come back as soon as you resume regular eating. This is from personal experience.
Weight loss is just the FIRST step. Keeping the weight off requires changes. The Dolly Parton diet isn't going to give you any tools required for weight maintenance.
Will you get bigger boobs on this diet though? That is the real question...
Are you wanting bigger ones @cwolfman13 ? Won't that slow down your cycling. I mean, if that is your goal I ain't judging.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »MsDivine831 wrote: »Anyone tried this diet with successful weight loss? I'm gonna be doing this for the next week and would love to hear and share the experience!
The Dolly Parton diet circa 1970's.......this is still making the rounds huh?
This is an awful diet. You will lose some water weight, learn to hate certain foods.....and the weight will come back as soon as you resume regular eating. This is from personal experience.
Weight loss is just the FIRST step. Keeping the weight off requires changes. The Dolly Parton diet isn't going to give you any tools required for weight maintenance.
Will you get bigger boobs on this diet though? That is the real question...
Are you wanting bigger ones @cwolfman13 ? Won't that slow down your cycling. I mean, if that is your goal I ain't judging.
Oh...not asking for me personally...just generally, and for science...2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Oh...not asking for me personally...just generally, and for science...
Ahhh, sorry. Was wondering there. Though maybe they improved aerodynamics for racing er sumpin.
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I wouldn't lose weight on a cabbage soup diet. I'd have to add cornbread.2
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Oh please don't do this! If you want to make a pot for lunches for the week then i say go for it . . . if you are thinking of actually ONLY consuming this to diet then it is a very poor idea. Any water weight you lose will just come right back as soon as you start eating solid food again. It is very unhealthy to purposely eat such restricted nutrients, instead opt for a well balanced diet of a protein, veggy, and carb at each meal and keep logging in daily to maintain your calorie deficit. Trust in the slow process as that is the best and healthiest and most sustainable.1
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@lutzsher Well said there! Fad diets like this, even if done only for one week, are very dangerous and unhealthy, and only serve to impede weight loss goals.0
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MaddieRainbowHealth wrote: »Fad diets like this, even if done only for one week, are very dangerous and unhealthy, and only serve to impede weight loss goals.
Very low calorie and fasting diets are used short term without degrading of overall health. They will allow you to lose weight quickly, but as mentioned numerous times they are not sustainable. They are not dangeous or unhealthy unless there is some other underlying issue.
I might not agree with them but it isn't the devil.
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yeah i don't know how much "danger" there is in this diet if done for a week or two. however, it teaches nothing about keeping the weight off long term. my mom and I did this diet probably 20 years ago and we both lost weight and gained it all back. after yo-yo-ing up and down 40lbs off and on for 25 years, i can say that any diet that doesn't teach you how to keep weight off isn't worth the deprivation, and resulting frustration when the weight COMES RIGHT BACK ON!0
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@Timshel_ @rhiawiz57 Diets like these have often caused people to feel faint, lower overall productivity, and lead to irritability. If someone faints from too little calories on a diet like this, it's a dangerous diet. It may not be experienced by everyone this way, but for a few people, it can be dangerous, hence why I said that in the first place. We don't know the OP's medical/health history, so it is always better to air on the side of caution.1
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »annaskiski wrote: »Just wanted to add to my previous post..
The term 'starvation mode' is overloaded.
Obviously people die of starvation in third world countries, and in first world countries of anorexia.
The issue most often discussed on these boards is related to people who are trying to create too large a deficit (if they're counting properly in the first place)
The only time a, body'll hold onto to fat's if; it's overfed!
I don't think anyone's arguing with you. I'm trying to point out that people on these boards see a 'buzzword' and jump down people's throat, without taking context into consideration.
@MaddieRainbowHealth was correct. Eat too few calories, and your body will respond by trying to burn fewer calories. I don't think she was trying to imply that you could eat nothing and not lose weight. Just that the act of eating too few calories sets of chains of events in your body which will try and keep you alive, by preserving as much stored fat as it can. Many people GAIN weight after coming off such diets because their hormones are now geared towards storage.
She calls that 'starvation mode', you interpret 'starvation mode' to mean something else.
I don't think there's an official definition, so context is important.
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@annaskiski Yes, thank you for explaining! That's exactly what I was trying to say. 1
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This cabbage soup diet..... are cream puffs included?0
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JustMissTracyToo wrote: »MaddieRainbowHealth wrote: »@DeficitDuchess Starvation mode is not a myth. Here's an article for more information: http://www.livestrong.com/article/264810-weight-loss-starvation-mode/
Starvation mode is not a real thing.
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JustMissTracyToo wrote: »MaddieRainbowHealth wrote: »@DeficitDuchess Starvation mode is not a myth. Here's an article for more information: http://www.livestrong.com/article/264810-weight-loss-starvation-mode/
Starvation mode is not a real thing.
Flagged because someone didn't agree? .....
I think sometimes people get confused by the flag and the upvote. One of the women's weightlifting threads once had all the pictures flagged. I'm guessing they meant to 'like', unless they were upset by underwear shots (could be )0 -
annaskiski wrote: »JustMissTracyToo wrote: »MaddieRainbowHealth wrote: »@DeficitDuchess Starvation mode is not a myth. Here's an article for more information: http://www.livestrong.com/article/264810-weight-loss-starvation-mode/
Starvation mode is not a real thing.
Flagged because someone didn't agree? .....
I think sometimes people get confused by the flag and the upvote. One of the women's weightlifting threads once had all the pictures flagged. I'm guessing they meant to 'like', unless they were upset by underwear shots (could be )
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.... I'm delicate.3 -
The starvation mode has been debunked over and over and discussed endlessly on these threads and yet it keeps coming back.
OP, you don't need to restrict your food intake so severely. Input your information into My Fitness Pal, choose a reasonable weight loss goal (.5 - 1lb per week loss), eat at those calories and enjoy life.0 -
annaskiski wrote: »Eat too few calories, and your body will respond by trying to burn fewer calories.
Over time, yes it takes less calories to maintain lower weight or feed a more trained metabolic system. But you are talking just hundreds of calories in TDEE. For me, the difference in TDEE between weighing 210 pounds and if I weight 170 pounds is about 300 calories per day. And that is a 40 pound weight loss.Just that the act of eating too few calories sets of chains of events in your body which will try and keep you alive, by preserving as much stored fat as it can.
Not at all. The body will always continue to lose weight in caloric deficit. Fat is the first energy store the body goes to in caloric deficit and never tries to preserve it. If it were true no one would have abs. After fat is catabolic states, proteins, and ketosis. You would still be losing weight though by losing mass. It is not linear, but it always happens.Many people GAIN weight after coming off such diets because their hormones are now geared towards storage.
Somewhat. The whole thing of adaptive thermogenisis is still being actively studied, but yes there is a lower caloric need after weight loss compared to someone who is already at that weight, but again it is in the hundreds of calories and would take a long time to gain as much weight back.
The mistake most people make is they go back to eating like they did before dieting.
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MaddieRainbowHealth wrote: »@Timshel_ @rhiawiz57 Diets like these have often caused people to feel faint, lower overall productivity, and lead to irritability. If someone faints from too little calories on a diet like this, it's a dangerous diet. It may not be experienced by everyone this way, but for a few people, it can be dangerous, hence why I said that in the first place. We don't know the OP's medical/health history, so it is always better to air on the side of caution.
True, thanks for looking out. All it did for me was help me lose some water weight that came right back in two weeks!1 -
When I was a teenager I worked at a restaurant that had a really delicious low calorie cabbage soup on the menu. I could eat that for maybe a week or so, but I'd also have to spend the entire week in the bathroom.0
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