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Calorie reduction and macro nutrient variations, plus exercise cannot stop my fat gain
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Have you had your thyroid checked? That will wreak havoc on your weight if it's over/under active.2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
@zrad1 Working out should increase your appetite.
Effects of exercise on appetite are individually variant and tend to be intensity/modality dependent too. I don't think it's at all accurate to state that it should increase appetite.4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
@zrad1 Working out should increase your appetite.
Effects of exercise on appetite are individually variant and tend to be intensity/modality dependent too. I don't think it's at all accurate to state that it should increase appetite.
https://caloriesecrets.net/does-exercise-increase-the-appetite/0 -
Now that goal oriented approach isn't working, what about process oriented with a goal other than weight loss?
Like....Forget about fat loss and focus on something healthy that does work?3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
@zrad1 Working out should increase your appetite.
Effects of exercise on appetite are individually variant and tend to be intensity/modality dependent too. I don't think it's at all accurate to state that it should increase appetite.
https://caloriesecrets.net/does-exercise-increase-the-appetite/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23835594
CONCLUSIONS:
High-intensity intermittent exercise suppresses subsequent ad-libitum energy intake in overweight inactive men. This format of exercise was found to be well tolerated in an overweight population.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029840
Conclusions
In obese adolescent boys, HIE has a beneficial impact on 24-h energy balance, mainly due to the spontaneous decrease in energy intake during lunch and dinner following the exercise bout.
As I said it is dependent on modality/intensity. Additionally, it's important to recognize that studies tend to report on averages but when you dig into individual subjects (when that info is available) you may find substantially different results from person to person.
As such, I don't think it's correct to claim that exercise should increase appetite.
Please note: This is NOT me saying that exercise definitively decreases appetite. This is me saying that we have evidence that exercise decreases appetite in some subjects at some intensities and therefore it is false to make the blanket claim that exercise should increase appetite.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
@zrad1 Working out should increase your appetite.
Effects of exercise on appetite are individually variant and tend to be intensity/modality dependent too. I don't think it's at all accurate to state that it should increase appetite.
https://caloriesecrets.net/does-exercise-increase-the-appetite/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23835594
CONCLUSIONS:
High-intensity intermittent exercise suppresses subsequent ad-libitum energy intake in overweight inactive men. This format of exercise was found to be well tolerated in an overweight population.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029840
Conclusions
In obese adolescent boys, HIE has a beneficial impact on 24-h energy balance, mainly due to the spontaneous decrease in energy intake during lunch and dinner following the exercise bout.
As I said it is dependent on modality/intensity. Additionally, it's important to recognize that studies tend to report on averages but when you dig into individual subjects (when that info is available) you may find substantially different results from person to person.
As such, I don't think it's correct to claim that exercise should increase appetite.
Please note: This is NOT me saying that exercise definitively decreases appetite. This is me saying that we have evidence that exercise decreases appetite in some subjects at some intensities and therefore it is false to make the blanket claim that exercise should increase appetite.
That is similar to the link that I posted so I learned something new tonight. After digging in health related research for the last 2.5 years for disease recovery it is clear people can respond very different to seemingly similar stimulus. Thanks.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
@zrad1 Working out should increase your appetite.
Effects of exercise on appetite are individually variant and tend to be intensity/modality dependent too. I don't think it's at all accurate to state that it should increase appetite.
https://caloriesecrets.net/does-exercise-increase-the-appetite/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23835594
CONCLUSIONS:
High-intensity intermittent exercise suppresses subsequent ad-libitum energy intake in overweight inactive men. This format of exercise was found to be well tolerated in an overweight population.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029840
Conclusions
In obese adolescent boys, HIE has a beneficial impact on 24-h energy balance, mainly due to the spontaneous decrease in energy intake during lunch and dinner following the exercise bout.
As I said it is dependent on modality/intensity. Additionally, it's important to recognize that studies tend to report on averages but when you dig into individual subjects (when that info is available) you may find substantially different results from person to person.
As such, I don't think it's correct to claim that exercise should increase appetite.
Please note: This is NOT me saying that exercise definitively decreases appetite. This is me saying that we have evidence that exercise decreases appetite in some subjects at some intensities and therefore it is false to make the blanket claim that exercise should increase appetite.
That is similar to the link that I posted so I learned something new tonight. After digging in health related research for the last 2.5 years for disease recovery it is clear people can respond very different to seemingly similar stimulus. Thanks.
Thanks.
Just for what it's worth, I TEND to find that low intensity exercise decreases appetite for me and high intensity exercise increases it.1 -
I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
How do you know you are gaining fat? If you are exercising, you could well be building muscle. Also, there has never been shown to be any advantage in a metabolic ward study in terms of energy expenditure or fat loss to a ketogenic diet ever, going all the way back to the 1970s. The key is to find something sustainable that you can keep for the rest of your life. It is also important to take breaks from your diet as needed, and eating maintenance calories for at least 2 weeks, preferably after dieting for about 8 weeks.
If you want, you could include a higher carb, calorie day every week to help restore Leptin levels a bit, but the benefits to this aren't as set in stone as some would have you believe.
It may also be the case that you are unfortunately a metabolic snowflake, and your body adapts very efficiently to being in a deficit. If that is the case, I would recommend you see a doctor if you do indeed suspect that you have a metabolic condition (but make sure they are credible and won't put you on a 24 hour juice fast or some crazy crap like that).
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I did not read all the responses so I apologize if I mention something already stated. I personally have had challenges with zero results over the years. Not to the extreme as you but I will tell you a big eye-opener for me was STRESS and FOOD SENSITIVITIES. You may be feeding your body foods it doesn't like and therefore have constant inflammation. Along with stress and cortisol you will never lose. Either you can get tested at the doctor OR I did all my testing at Lifetime Fitness. Still working on changing my habits so no real results yet but I just found out a few weeks ago that I shouldn't eat eggs, gluten or nuts. These were things I ate daily.1
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LucasWilland wrote: »I have been using a highly accurate and expensive professional grade kitchen scale. There is nothing I have not overlooked regarding the accuracy of calories consumed. I know of CICO and have read about the twinkie diet etc.. , that is not working for me if I exercise. If I do not exercise, the weight starts to come off, but for some reason if I exercise, my weight goes up and I do not mean water weight, actual fat. So frustrating and puzzling!!!
How do you know you are gaining fat? If you are exercising, you could well be building muscle.
With low test and mostly cardio I highly doubt this is the case
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My suggestion would be to seek specialist endocrine advice.6
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Op - are you using a food scale???1
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Since he stated that this weight gain only happens when he exercises I would go with your third option.
No one can help him if he doesn't share any more information.4 -
No one can help him if he doesn't share any more information.
Anytime someone asks without an open diary, I immediately suspect the last 2 but giving him the benefit of the doubt... for now lol
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@zrad1
In as few words as possible what does health and wellness mean to you?0 -
You are an analyst so you understand that when your spreadsheet is giving an impossible answer, you've got errors in either your inputs or your calculations.
Instead of high tech fat tests, maybe focus on using a tape measure and simple fat caliper8 -
Someone who is more tech savvy please enlighten me. I see this a lot on the forums, someone like the OP has a first visit date, in this case of November 2015, then out of the blue has a post like this. There will be three or four comments, then POOF, gone. I have seen this at least a hundred times, my question is, can someone who knows how manipulate that kind of thing? Not saying that is the case with the OP, but just in general. Is that the work of really good trolls? I am old and can barely turn on a computer, so I don't know.2
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My youngest daughter loves unicorns6
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prattiger65 wrote: »Someone who is more tech savvy please enlighten me. I see this a lot on the forums, someone like the OP has a first visit date, in this case of November 2015, then out of the blue has a post like this. There will be three or four comments, then POOF, gone. I have seen this at least a hundred times, my question is, can someone who knows how manipulate that kind of thing? Not saying that is the case with the OP, but just in general. Is that the work of really good trolls? I am old and can barely turn on a computer, so I don't know.
I notice this happens most when people don't get the answer they want. If he hasn't logged in for two days chances are pretty good he's not tracking as flawlessly as he claims either. I've heard of intermittent fasting working but not intermittent logging.
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