Isagenix - will it work?
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Movement + treadmill is not your total calorie burn. You are forgetting that the majority of calories burnt a day for most people come simply from existing. Breathing, pumping blood, digesting, etc. All those bodily functions burn calories. At 260 lbs with even a sedentary lifestyle and some treadmill work you could easily have been burning 3-4000 calories a day. Trust me when I say that this is not a matter of opinion. You simply cannot lose fat in the long run if you are eating more then you burn. Even if you ate zero carbs and you're body relied 100% on fat for fuel you still can't lose weight in a surplus. If you eat more calories then you burn where is the surplus energy going? If it's not being stored as glycogen (no carbs) it must be stored as fat. The body doesn't simply "waste" energy. It has to be accounted for. Any diet that ever worked did so because of a calorie deficit. He's a useful table to illustrate my point.If you never counted calories on Atkins (your words), you have no idea how your calories in compared to your calories out.
ANSWER: I ate a Full BBQ Chicken at least 2 times a week (With lots of Mayo). Google says (just the chicken) is 2,484 Calories less 300 on treadmill - IDK 500 for daily movement. Now Lets add calories from 4 Eggs and Cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff... Hmmm No I did not count calories because it works.
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The problem I have with this type of woo is that someone who is REALLY struggling and looking for a miracle will read this and believe it because they so badly want to. No one in the history of forever has lost weight in a calorie surplus. Never. I don't care if your body is burning carbs, fat, protein or jet fuel, it aint happening. I fear this is yet another veiled promotion of a load of crap called something that starts with an I.13
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Vismal, I get all that. Somehow my eating habits and O treadmill had me at a size 40 pants and just plain fat and unhealthy. All I Changed was eliminating carbs. I used to have a Bagel with cheese each day, a moderate lunch and a regular dinner. I was fat. I went onto Atkins, Started eating more and only added the treadmill for 300calorie burn, no other additional activities, no other change in my lifestyle and I lost 40 lbs and went down to 34 waist. I know my food consumption before and after January 1st. I can guarantee you that I ate more after January 1st. Now maybe the steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, fats all contain less calories than the calories in the carbs I cut out. I highly doubt it... but if that the science... hurray for me. Frankly, I could care less about calorie counting. I love food. Now, with this new thing, I think counting calories will be important. I just want enough carbs for the muscles to get what they need and no more.
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Dude (bagge72), stop being a jerk and mocking me. Im not an idiot and understand calories. All I did was cut our carbs... and ate more than I ever did that made me obese. I am not looking for a miracle solution here. GNC and Costco sell a bunch of overpriced stuff as well. If I meet you and you are as fit as this other dude, Ill listen to what you have to say. Detoxing through my armpits sounds like fun... we could do it with the Protein Filled Beers Im marketing.
I'm sorry, but you didn't just cut out carbs and eat way more food to lose weight, it just doesn't work that way. You simply just didn't track your calories even though you ate less than you burned. My self at 265lbs now, there are days that I have easily burned 5,000 calories in a day by walking a lot, and then working out at the gym. So because you ate a whole chicken twice a week with 4 eggs, with cheese and mayo does not mean you ate more than you burned. I don't mean to mock you, but you are literally giving all your hard work and credit to a named diet, and soon to be an overpriced protein powder, which I think is a huge problem on these boards some times. You could go to Wal-Mart, buy a tub of six star or body fortress for little money and get the same result.
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bagge72... I hear you... it worked for me. WHY... because your body switched from what is burns. I was in Ketosis and was burning my body fat. Look, I lost weight, other I know who do not go to the gym have lost weight on low carb diets. Many quit and gain the wight back because of poor eating habits. I get all of that. As for the tubs they sell at walmart... maybe you got a point there. IDK. I am not going to do a study on this comparing all the products out there and how they are. Maybe this whole bloody thing will be a placebo thing in my brain. If I gain a few inches on my chest and loose a few on my waste... hell Im happy because the past few years I was getting more and more unhealthy. So if this is a few $ for a BS Placebo thing and I got a Trainer helping me...yupeeeee! I have no time to build an MLM. I own 2 businesses already and am about to start a 3rd one.
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...But he seems genuine enough and if the average joe told me how great this stuff is, I would be weary. But the fact that this dude is huge, tells me he is not going to put crap into his body. Maybe he is... IDK.
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"I'll take 'what are things bodybuilders put in their body' for $500, Alex!"12 -
Vismal, I get all that. Somehow my eating habits and O treadmill had me at a size 40 pants and just plain fat and unhealthy. All I Changed was eliminating carbs. I used to have a Bagel with cheese each day, a moderate lunch and a regular dinner. I was fat. I went onto Atkins, Started eating more and only added the treadmill for 300calorie burn, no other additional activities, no other change in my lifestyle and I lost 40 lbs and went down to 34 waist. I know my food consumption before and after January 1st. I can guarantee you that I ate more after January 1st. Now maybe the steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, fats all contain less calories than the calories in the carbs I cut out. I highly doubt it... but if that the science... hurray for me. Frankly, I could care less about calorie counting. I love food. Now, with this new thing, I think counting calories will be important. I just want enough carbs for the muscles to get what they need and no more.
Bagel with cheese 500 calaories minimum. 8oz of 15% fat ground beef around 430 calories. 8oz chicken 275 calories. 4 large eggs 288 calories.
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bagge72... I hear you... it worked for me. WHY... because your body switched from what is burns. I was in Ketosis and was burning my body fat. Look, I lost weight, other I know who do not go to the gym have lost weight on low carb diets. Many quit and gain the wight back because of poor eating habits. I get all of that. As for the tubs they sell at walmart... maybe you got a point there. IDK. I am not going to do a study on this comparing all the products out there and how they are. Maybe this whole bloody thing will be a placebo thing in my brain. If I gain a few inches on my chest and loose a few on my waste... hell Im happy because the past few years I was getting more and more unhealthy. So if this is a few $ for a BS Placebo thing and I got a Trainer helping me...yupeeeee! I have no time to build an MLM. I own 2 businesses already and am about to start a 3rd one.
What worked for you is a calorie deficit. You body burns fat for fuel whether you are in ketosis or not as long as you are in a calorie deficit. You think I'm ganging up on you, but it really is to keep other people from reading this and thinking it can happen.
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Vismal, I get all that. Somehow my eating habits and O treadmill had me at a size 40 pants and just plain fat and unhealthy. All I Changed was eliminating carbs. I used to have a Bagel with cheese each day, a moderate lunch and a regular dinner. I was fat. I went onto Atkins, Started eating more and only added the treadmill for 300calorie burn, no other additional activities, no other change in my lifestyle and I lost 40 lbs and went down to 34 waist. I know my food consumption before and after January 1st. I can guarantee you that I ate more after January 1st. Now maybe the steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, fats all contain less calories than the calories in the carbs I cut out. I highly doubt it... but if that the science... hurray for me. Frankly, I could care less about calorie counting. I love food. Now, with this new thing, I think counting calories will be important. I just want enough carbs for the muscles to get what they need and no more.
You may have eaten more stuff...but that doesn't mean you ate more calories. It's really that simple. When you do Atkins you're burning fast because you are eating at a deficit. Period. Energy balance is not a law you can violate even if you wanted to.5 -
trust me I did not eat just 8oz of chicken..... and my steaks were 16 oz or more with lots of butter. I also did not cut out the cheese. I ate more.
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trust me I did not eat just 8oz of chicken..... and my steaks were 16 oz or more with lots of butter. I also did not cut out the cheese. I ate more.
Everyone understands that. That still doesn't mean you weren't at a deficit.
Creatures can't survive if their body somebody burns through energy when they're eating more than they're using. Evolution would have prevented any species from going that direction because it would mean they could never survive. Do people doing Atkins long-term vanish or die of starvation? No, they don't. That's because people don't lose weight when they're getting calories equal to (or more) than what their body is using.5 -
If you have never counted calories you can make no such assertion that your consumption now is significantly higher than it was previously. There are so many instances of people who are overweight asserting that they eat "hardly anything" and a lot less than their skinny best friend. It is always, without fail, found to be untrue.
Just because your body is using fat (mostly dietary) as fuel, doesn't mean you are burning body fat and it certainly doesn't mean you are magically burning more body fat than your calorie consumption dictates. That's just not how it works. Keto isn't magic.
And if you are able to eat in a surplus and lose weight then they need to study you because you are unique to every single species of animal in existence.
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trust me I did not eat just 8oz of chicken..... and my steaks were 16 oz or more with lots of butter. I also did not cut out the cheese. I ate more.
I can't trust you! Just giving you an example oh how just your bagel and cheese is a lot of calories compared to a decent amount of protein. Then that doesn't even take into account what you were drinking, especially if you cut out beer. Then you have to take into account your other meals that you say where modest, but a modest looking meal fully of carbs is going to be a lot of calories, plus any snacks you cut out. I went low carb to get ready for a trip last year, and was eating 16oz of beef or chicken with every meal with a ton of vegetables, oil, cheese, and peanut butter for snacks and although it felt like I was eating a ton, the calorie count came out lower than what I was eating before. I had to switch to all chicken though because of the iron in the red meat I was getting a nose bleed after every lunch I had.
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You should also know that most everyone is genuinely surprised to figure out just how many calories they were eating before they started counting.
It seems clear that you don't really have a good idea because you can eat a 16 oz steak every day. I know for a fact that i could too because I'm counting everything and know my budget. Atkins knows that without carbs almost everyone who does it right eats at a deficit. I eat at deficit with balance...same thing. I've lost 24 in about 2.5 months with a deficit....works like science. 40 waist to 36 which is now loose.
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bagge72... I hear you... it worked for me. WHY... because your body switched from what is burns. I was in Ketosis and was burning my body fat. Look, I lost weight, other I know who do not go to the gym have lost weight on low carb diets. Many quit and gain the wight back because of poor eating habits. I get all of that. As for the tubs they sell at walmart... maybe you got a point there. IDK. I am not going to do a study on this comparing all the products out there and how they are. Maybe this whole bloody thing will be a placebo thing in my brain. If I gain a few inches on my chest and loose a few on my waste... hell Im happy because the past few years I was getting more and more unhealthy. So if this is a few $ for a BS Placebo thing and I got a Trainer helping me...yupeeeee! I have no time to build an MLM. I own 2 businesses already and am about to start a 3rd one.
being in ketosis means your body burns the fat you eat and not carbs for fuel. its not going to use just your body fat as fuel.keto doesnt work that way.if so, it would be a WOE to cure obesity without needing a caloric deficit or WLS. even in keto if you arent in some sort of a deficit you wont lose weight. and if you are losing weight without trying then I would get checked for an underlying health issue.3 -
Silentpadna wrote: »You should also know that most everyone is genuinely surprised to figure out just how many calories they were eating before they started counting.
It seems clear that you don't really have a good idea because you can eat a 16 oz steak every day. I know for a fact that i could too because I'm counting everything and know my budget. Atkins knows that without carbs almost everyone who does it right eats at a deficit. I eat at deficit with balance...same thing. I've lost 24 in about 2.5 months with a deficit....works like science. 40 waist to 36 which is now loose.
Deficit.
Yeah made it just over a week, where I was eating a ton of protein and vegetables to get ready for a vacation. I just couldn't keep it up. I would make a ton of ground chicken, and put a ton of hot sauce on it, and add oil and shredded cheese, and then have a bunch of green beans, or something like that and I would feel sick after every meal.
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VintageFeline wrote: »If you have never counted calories you can make no such assertion that your consumption now is significantly higher than it was previously. There are so many instances of people who are overweight asserting that they eat "hardly anything" and a lot less than their skinny best friend. It is always, without fail, found to be untrue.
Just because your body is using fat (mostly dietary) as fuel, doesn't mean you are burning body fat and it certainly doesn't mean you are magically burning more body fat than your calorie consumption dictates. That's just not how it works. Keto isn't magic.
And if you are able to eat in a surplus and lose weight then they need to study you because you are unique to every single species of animal in existence.
actually there is a way to know if you are buying body fat vs the fat you ate. Your body goes into ketosis, your breath smells like acetone and when you pee you can pee on these special six that tell you you are burning fats in your body.
GUYS... IT BLOODY WELL WORKED FOR ME. I DONT CARE IF YOU GUYS COUNT CALORIES AND THINK I AM A MORON WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE ATE... LOL... IF YOU ARE EXPERTS OR TROLLS ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER PLEAE VIST ATKINS>COM AND TELL THEM THEY ARE IDIOTS. THANK YOU!!!!!0 -
I'm really sorry that you are refusing to believe science. Several people have politely refuted your claim and given reasons why you are incorrect but you seem unwilling to listen. The bottom line is, no matter what your body is burning for fuel, in the presence of excess energy (calorie surplus) the body will store that excess energy. If it's not being stored where is it going? Ketosis still requires a calorie deficit to burn fat. If you eat 3500 calories of protein and fat, and burn 3000 calories for the day, why would you lose fat? Explain why if the body had an extra 500 calories beyond what it needed to complete all necessary functions it would still take stored fuel and burn it for energy. It already has 500 calories of energy it's not going to use, why create more surplus energy by burning fat, and if it did what happens to all this extra energy?trust me I did not eat just 8oz of chicken..... and my steaks were 16 oz or more with lots of butter. I also did not cut out the cheese. I ate more.9 -
trust me I did not eat just 8oz of chicken..... and my steaks were 16 oz or more with lots of butter. I also did not cut out the cheese. I ate more.
I can't trust you! Just giving you an example oh how just your bagel and cheese is a lot of calories compared to a decent amount of protein. Then that doesn't even take into account what you were drinking, especially if you cut out beer. Then you have to take into account your other meals that you say where modest, but a modest looking meal fully of carbs is going to be a lot of calories, plus any snacks you cut out. I went low carb to get ready for a trip last year, and was eating 16oz of beef or chicken with every meal with a ton of vegetables, oil, cheese, and peanut butter for snacks and although it felt like I was eating a ton, the calorie count came out lower than what I was eating before. I had to switch to all chicken though because of the iron in the red meat I was getting a nose bleed after every lunch I had.
HAHAHA... OK DONT TRUST ME... OH MY... WHAT SHALL I DO NOW. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
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I suspect some people using keto to lose weight have a perception that they are eating more because they aren't as hungry. I was keto for a year and it worked great to keep my appetite in check. Of course it was the calorie deficit that caused the weight loss, but it really did work well to keep me on track.7
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