Clean eating- does it matter?
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RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It might help to clarify which version of clean eating we're talking about.
Calories matter for weight loss. Good nutrition matters for things like hunger and health. But those can both be achieved with or without a "clean" diet.
Your diary shows a really low fat intake. I just want to be sure you're being smart about that because I can't imagine keeping my fat that low (and I have to stay low fat without my gallbladder).
Best of luck with your goals! :flowerforyou:
I have to eat low fat because fat cause my skin to break out and give me breakouts but I make sure I get my omegas from my greens on chronometer and if I don't, I'll have a tbsp of seeds. All my blood work is perfect for the first time in my life. I think eating clean just helps you feel full. For example, I'm going to feel a lot more full on a giant salad then two Oreos so I feel like it would be harder to feel full without eating clean
Who makes a choice between a giant salad, or two oreos? What harm will I come to, if I eat a salad AND eat Oreos, when I have room in my calories for both?
Others have asked, but it might be helpful for you to define what "clean" eating means to you - there are dozens of definitions and interpretations of this term, I personally think that makes it an unhelpful term to use - but if you cared to define what it means to you, then it might be easier to continue the discussion.
Also, about your friend... is she using MFP? Did you want to invite her into this discussion, or just talk about her eating habits and weight loss approach behind her back?17 -
Cancer meal means that ingredients in the food have been proven to cause cancer or cause death. When they make white bread and white rice in the process they get rid of good nutrition. This is in every single science article and all over the news almost every day in the past several decades.2
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cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Cancer meal means that ingredients in the food have been proven to cause cancer or cause death. When they make white bread and white rice in the process they get rid of good nutrition. This is in every single science article and all over the news almost every day in the past several decades.
I.. no .. dont..
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cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Cancer meal means that ingredients in the food have been proven to cause cancer or cause death. When they make white bread and white rice in the process they get rid of good nutrition. This is in every single science article and all over the news almost every day in the past several decades.
There are no "ingredients" that "cause cancer". Unless you eat all boiled or raw food, literally everything you eat has a carcinogen in it. It comes from cooking, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
There may be a very slightly increased risk of cancer from this or that ingredient, but you're at many orders of magnitude greater risk of getting killed in a traffic accident on your way to the health food store than of actually getting cancer from any of them.
This is why the state of California, in the eternal wisdom of Prop 65, requires warning signs in coffeehouses. Since coffee beans are roasted, they contain the same carcinogen as most other cooked food. To be fair to the state, this wasn't their idea, but was because some kitten with too much time on his hands filed a lawsuit to force this particular requirement.
As for "causing death", that's an unavoidable side effect of life. Good luck avoiding it.27 -
cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
I LOVE white bread, particularly if I make it at home. Flour, water, yeast, salt and a teaspoon of sugar to activate the yeast. What's unclean about that?
White rice? What exactly has happened to it? Jasmine rice happens to be my favourite. I also enjoy putting a couple of cardamom pods and a bay leaf in Basmati.
Fried food? Sure it has a higher fat content but fat is important for hormone function and nutrient absorption.
As for the OP. Good nutrition is important for health. Calories are important for weight management. "Treats" are important to make this work psychologically for me.19 -
Agreed - those are not universal preferences at all. Sugar is more gross than white rice and fried foods to me! But i know that's my taste. I'm more a savory person than a sweets person. Doesn't make me better than anyone else though!6
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Also to the OP, you seem to eat the same variation of the same foods every single day. Now that's fine if you happen to really love those foods but it's not "wide and varied" as is generally recommended for good health and nutrition. So you see, everyone has a different definition of what is healthful.14
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Vintage - i want homemade bread now, mmmm!7
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BusyRaeNOTBusty wrote: »So you are judging your friend for her eating habits and feeling superior due to your clean eating? That doesn't sound very friendly.
She probably needs to eat more. If she's eating 1300 calories like you, it's probable that it isn't enough for her and she'd be happier and more successful eating more, and losing weight at a slower pace. It will also make for an easier transition back to "normal" once she reaches her goal.
Lol I'm not judging her at all. I love her. She has a different life then me and she hates veggies but she is starting to think of eating healthier since she's always hungry. She knows I posted this hahaha. I'm not hating on her. She's my babe
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cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Cancer meal means that ingredients in the food have been proven to cause cancer or cause death. When they make white bread and white rice in the process they get rid of good nutrition. This is in every single science article and all over the news almost every day in the past several decades.
Which ingredient in Taco Bell has been proven to cause cancer? And cause death? Like, immediate death? Is is poisonous?
Can you share some of these articles, since they are so prevalent?17 -
cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Cancer meal means that ingredients in the food have been proven to cause cancer or cause death. When they make white bread and white rice in the process they get rid of good nutrition. This is in every single science article and all over the news almost every day in the past several decades.
Better stop eating then. Also breathing.18 -
@rhiawiz57OP - what is your breakfast you always log with n. yeast, zucchini, kale, mushrooms, and a raw potato? is it some sort of salad? smoothie? just curious because if you like it enough to eat i every day i want to know what the heck that even is!
Lol I steam a big bucket of veggies and then I boil tiny chopped potatoes. I log them as raw because I weight them raw. Then I just eat it as like a big potato hash. I used to eat it with hot sauce, mustard or ketchup but now I usually just top with nutritional yeast which has a cheesy flavour. Other times I'll mash my potatoes and eat the veggies on the side.
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I don't eat dairy but otherwise I totally agree. When I do want a treat, I just make it at home. I usually prefer my cooking to going out but it's different for everyone because some people love the social aspect of eating outLillymoo01 wrote: »What you eat doesn't matter when it comes to weight loss but it does to overall health. However, I don't agree with eating clean 100% of the time for optimum health and well being. As soon as we start labelling food as good and bad and start eliminating enjoyed foods from our diets we can begin an unhealthy relationship with food. For most of us this will intensity cravings and make us more prone to binging.
I firmy believe that our diet should consist of at least 80% fresh, unprocessed or lightly processed, whole foods like fruit, veges, legumes, nuts, meat, dairy and whole grains etc. Leave the rest for foods that don't fit into this catergory that you really enjoy. Better off having a cookie a day than feel that you can't and eat an entire packet in one sitting only to be riddled with guilt afterwards.
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WinoGelato wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It might help to clarify which version of clean eating we're talking about.
Calories matter for weight loss. Good nutrition matters for things like hunger and health. But those can both be achieved with or without a "clean" diet.
Your diary shows a really low fat intake. I just want to be sure you're being smart about that because I can't imagine keeping my fat that low (and I have to stay low fat without my gallbladder).
Best of luck with your goals! :flowerforyou:
I have to eat low fat because fat cause my skin to break out and give me breakouts but I make sure I get my omegas from my greens on chronometer and if I don't, I'll have a tbsp of seeds. All my blood work is perfect for the first time in my life. I think eating clean just helps you feel full. For example, I'm going to feel a lot more full on a giant salad then two Oreos so I feel like it would be harder to feel full without eating clean
Who makes a choice between a giant salad, or two oreos? What harm will I come to, if I eat a salad AND eat Oreos, when I have room in my calories for both?
Others have asked, but it might be helpful for you to define what "clean" eating means to you - there are dozens of definitions and interpretations of this term, I personally think that makes it an unhelpful term to use - but if you cared to define what it means to you, then it might be easier to continue the discussion.
Also, about your friend... is she using MFP? Did you want to invite her into this discussion, or just talk about her eating habits and weight loss approach behind her back?
Lol she is sitting right beside me. Nothing is behind her back. I don't really care how she eats. We were both wondering because she wants to not feel hungry all the time but she hates veggies and fruits lol.
Clean eating for me is just food from nature, veggies, fruits, whole grains, beans, legumes, squash, potatoes, lentils and that type of food. Homemade- mini meal processing and delicious healthy food but everyone can have their own version. All I'm asking is if people think that eating healthier can make weight loss easier. I think yes but I know everyone is different. I was just starting an open ended talk.. not claiming I know the answer for everyone.4 -
Op, no it doesn't matter in terms of losing weight BUT... I think healthier eating can be a sort of side effect on a weight loss journey.
You're friend is now considering making different food choices to feel better while losing weight.
I tried losing by eating a butt load of veggies until I noticed that too much raw ruffage makes me bloated and have stomach pain. I cut down on the raw veggies and added more protein (I love smoked ham) and now I feel better and I don't feel sick to the stomach. Plus I'm 25lbs down from having my baby last year.
It's all individual, "clean eating" is up to the person doing it.5 -
My personal take is that people focus on calorie deficit over substance because it's easier and requires less overall commitment to change. To pretend what is in the food you eat doesn't matter is ridiculous. Will you still lose weight eating packaged foods? Sure? But for me it slows my loss and leaves me feeling all the negative things associated with loss; hungry, tired, cranky, and bloated. Eating a sufficient number of calories from whole, actual natural food requires more food. It's easier to control macros. In my family, my mother and I both embarked on weight loss journies. She has a tendency to rely on convenience foods and substitutes for sweets and chips. She's on the fifth round of losing and gaining back. My process involved changing my palate and desire for sugar so I don't crave those things after the calorie deficit part is done. I've kept 100 pounds off for 5 years. This doesn't seem coincidental to me. This time around that I'm finally looking to lose the remaining 50, I've had a hard time fitting in enough protein and have resorted to protein bars without sugar because I am sugar sensitive, but the replacement for that natural sugar still has a noticeable effect on my body and I have to determine if the tradeoff is worth it. But there's a study to validate every opinion and a lot of people don't like feeling like their choices aren't as good as they could be. There's a reason other cultures can eat higher fat/higher carb diets without the health problems we see in this country and at the rates we see them. Garbage in, garbage out isn't just applicable to computer code. YMMV If what someone is doing works well enough for their purposes and they like the result, then shine on you crazy diamond.13
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RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It might help to clarify which version of clean eating we're talking about.
Calories matter for weight loss. Good nutrition matters for things like hunger and health. But those can both be achieved with or without a "clean" diet.
Your diary shows a really low fat intake. I just want to be sure you're being smart about that because I can't imagine keeping my fat that low (and I have to stay low fat without my gallbladder).
Best of luck with your goals! :flowerforyou:
I have to eat low fat because fat cause my skin to break out and give me breakouts but I make sure I get my omegas from my greens on chronometer and if I don't, I'll have a tbsp of seeds. All my blood work is perfect for the first time in my life. I think eating clean just helps you feel full. For example, I'm going to feel a lot more full on a giant salad then two Oreos so I feel like it would be harder to feel full without eating clean
Who makes a choice between a giant salad, or two oreos? What harm will I come to, if I eat a salad AND eat Oreos, when I have room in my calories for both?
Others have asked, but it might be helpful for you to define what "clean" eating means to you - there are dozens of definitions and interpretations of this term, I personally think that makes it an unhelpful term to use - but if you cared to define what it means to you, then it might be easier to continue the discussion.
Also, about your friend... is she using MFP? Did you want to invite her into this discussion, or just talk about her eating habits and weight loss approach behind her back?
Lol she is sitting right beside me. Nothing is behind her back. I don't really care how she eats. We were both wondering because she wants to not feel hungry all the time but she hates veggies and fruits lol.
Clean eating for me is just food from nature, veggies, fruits, whole grains, beans, legumes, squash, potatoes, lentils and that type of food. Homemade- mini meal processing and delicious healthy food but everyone can have their own version. All I'm asking is if people think that eating healthier can make weight loss easier. I think yes but I know everyone is different. I was just starting an open ended talk.. not claiming I know the answer for everyone.
No, you asked about clean eating. Which isn't the same as "eating healthier" at all26 -
I once tried to cut out everything I thought was 'bad.' I lost weight, but I couldn't stick to it. It was too confining for me. This time around, I don't have any food that's absolutely off limits. I just watch the calories. While I'm eating healthier, I still eat things that I want. It's working for me, and I feel fine.5
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VintageFeline wrote: »Also to the OP, you seem to eat the same variation of the same foods every single day. Now that's fine if you happen to really love those foods but it's not "wide and varied" as is generally recommended for good health and nutrition. So you see, everyone has a different definition of what is healthful.
Yes, I eat those foods because they are my favourites. I vary up my dinner dish but then I'll eat it three days in a row and I vary my fruit. Since I'm getting all my micro-nutrients (which I track on cronometer) from these combos I don't see a problem.
But I cook for my boyfriend who likes variety and he eats super healthy too. So yeah, this is just my preference
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RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It might help to clarify which version of clean eating we're talking about.
Calories matter for weight loss. Good nutrition matters for things like hunger and health. But those can both be achieved with or without a "clean" diet.
Your diary shows a really low fat intake. I just want to be sure you're being smart about that because I can't imagine keeping my fat that low (and I have to stay low fat without my gallbladder).
Best of luck with your goals! :flowerforyou:
I have to eat low fat because fat cause my skin to break out and give me breakouts but I make sure I get my omegas from my greens on chronometer and if I don't, I'll have a tbsp of seeds. All my blood work is perfect for the first time in my life. I think eating clean just helps you feel full. For example, I'm going to feel a lot more full on a giant salad then two Oreos so I feel like it would be harder to feel full without eating clean
Who makes a choice between a giant salad, or two oreos? What harm will I come to, if I eat a salad AND eat Oreos, when I have room in my calories for both?
Others have asked, but it might be helpful for you to define what "clean" eating means to you - there are dozens of definitions and interpretations of this term, I personally think that makes it an unhelpful term to use - but if you cared to define what it means to you, then it might be easier to continue the discussion.
Also, about your friend... is she using MFP? Did you want to invite her into this discussion, or just talk about her eating habits and weight loss approach behind her back?
Lol she is sitting right beside me. Nothing is behind her back. I don't really care how she eats. We were both wondering because she wants to not feel hungry all the time but she hates veggies and fruits lol.
Clean eating for me is just food from nature, veggies, fruits, whole grains, beans, legumes, squash, potatoes, lentils and that type of food. Homemade- mini meal processing and delicious healthy food but everyone can have their own version. All I'm asking is if people think that eating healthier can make weight loss easier. I think yes but I know everyone is different. I was just starting an open ended talk.. not claiming I know the answer for everyone.
For your friend, these are my really generic tips for hunger:
1. Make sure that your calorie goals are actually set appropriately. Don't skip this step. A lot of people set goals that are too aggressive and then wonder why they're having a hard time. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/819055/setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
2. Look for foods higher in protein, fat, and fiber. These help us stay full and more satisfied longer. If you're using MFP's default settings, try to consider protein, fat, and fiber as minimums to reach every day rather than maximums to stay below.
3. Drink plenty of fluids. Some people really do confuse thirst and hunger.
4. Get plenty of rest. This includes sleeping enough and taking rest days from the exercise. Sometimes our bodies look for food when they're exhausted.
5. Play around with your meal timings. Some people do really well on 5-6 small meals a day and others feel like they want to gnaw their own arm off eating like that. Skipping breakfast, eating breakfast, 16:8 fasting, 6 small meals, 3 larger meals, snacks, no snacks, meal timing won't make a big difference to your weight loss, but it may help your hunger levels, mood, concentration, gym performance, etc. throughout the day. Don't be afraid to try a different way and see if it helps.
6. Wait it out. If you know you're eating enough and the other steps above aren't helping, you may just have to wait it out. Our bodies send out hunger signals partially out of habit. If you eat at a certain time every day your body will start to get hungry at that time. The good news is that these signals can be retrained to stop telling you to be hungry all the time. The bad news is that you may just have to be hungry for a little bit while that happens.
7. I also think it's important to remember that there's a habitual component to hunger. This goes along with point #6, but if you eat because you're bored or you're used to eating in front of the TV or in the car or whatever it is, then you can replace those habits with others that are better for you. Things like keeping water on hand to sip instead of snacking or picking up hobbies that keep your hands busy or that get you out of the house more can help out a little while you're retraining your hunger cues. You might need to pay attention to why you're eating/hungry or what you're feeling when you eat and try to replace food with other things, but it can be really beneficial over time.23 -
Thank you for the tips!! I do 16:8 as well and that's another thing she's thinking of trying we appreciate your help 1
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fasterpssycat wrote: »My personal take is that people focus on calorie deficit over substance because it's easier and requires less overall commitment to change. To pretend what is in the food you eat doesn't matter is ridiculous. Will you still lose weight eating packaged foods? Sure? But for me it slows my loss and leaves me feeling all the negative things associated with loss; hungry, tired, cranky, and bloated. Eating a sufficient number of calories from whole, actual natural food requires more food. It's easier to control macros. In my family, my mother and I both embarked on weight loss journies. She has a tendency to rely on convenience foods and substitutes for sweets and chips. She's on the fifth round of losing and gaining back. My process involved changing my palate and desire for sugar so I don't crave those things after the calorie deficit part is done. I've kept 100 pounds off for 5 years. This doesn't seem coincidental to me. This time around that I'm finally looking to lose the remaining 50, I've had a hard time fitting in enough protein and have resorted to protein bars without sugar because I am sugar sensitive, but the replacement for that natural sugar still has a noticeable effect on my body and I have to determine if the tradeoff is worth it. But there's a study to validate every opinion and a lot of people don't like feeling like their choices aren't as good as they could be. There's a reason other cultures can eat higher fat/higher carb diets without the health problems we see in this country and at the rates we see them. Garbage in, garbage out isn't just applicable to computer code. YMMV If what someone is doing works well enough for their purposes and they like the result, then shine on you crazy diamond.
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong but I think you are missing the middle ground. Eating an overall nutritious balanced diet can include occasional less nutritious higher calorie "processed foods" which some consider unclean.
No one is advocating an either or when they say you can have some foods in moderation. No one advocates horrible food choices in a deficit over nutrition. Can you still lose weight and improve your markers yes google the twinkie diet. But is anyone advocating that no but there is a middle ground in my opinion.13 -
Also, just because I can, here are the various definitions of clean eating I've seen: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p16
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Wow, I can see how that can be confusing. This is why I left my diary open so you guys can see what I mean but I'm in no way saying that everyone's clean has to look the same. Still, we all know the difference between healthy whole foods and junkdiannethegeek wrote: »Also, just because I can, here are the various definitions of clean eating I've seen: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p1
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I had a big salad for lunch and some sour patch kids, it's not "junk" to me.
What is junk?9 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I had a big salad for lunch and some sour patch kids, it's not "junk" to me.
What is junk?
To some the dressing and croutons in your salad to others the sour patch kids and still others...all three:)4 -
RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »
Wow, I can see how that can be confusing. This is why I left my diary open so you guys can see what I mean but I'm in no way saying that everyone's clean has to look the same. Still, we all know the difference between healthy whole foods and junkdiannethegeek wrote: »Also, just because I can, here are the various definitions of clean eating I've seen: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p1
You'd be surprised by what we "all" know. A vegan might call my dinner tonight junk because it includes ground turkey. A clean eater might call it junk because I used canned tomatoes or frozen peppers. A ketoer might call it junk because of the pasta.
That some foods have higher quantities of some nutrients than others is undeniable. But one person's "junk" is often another's savior in certain scenarios.19 -
RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »
Wow, I can see how that can be confusing. This is why I left my diary open so you guys can see what I mean but I'm in no way saying that everyone's clean has to look the same. Still, we all know the difference between healthy whole foods and junkdiannethegeek wrote: »Also, just because I can, here are the various definitions of clean eating I've seen: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p1
And something I should have said above, a little "junk" doesn't negate everything else that's nutritious in a diet. My matcha ice cream tonight won't change the number of veggies I'm eating. And it will help my calcium goal. If it fits in your calorie and nutrition goals, what's so wrong with a bit of "junk"? We don't get extra credit for going over what our nutrition needs are.5
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