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Lab Grown Meat... would you?
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
He does have fantastic facial hair, why wouldn't you trust him?5 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
Coincidentally, she changed her avi just minutes after you posted this. So we know she's watching and 'woo'ing. That's some classic third-grade low-rent bull*kitten*.2 -
Wait wait wait wait wait. The poster who said the opinions of posters who don't use their real picture for an avatar are of no value, doesn't use their own picture as an avatar?
And for an appeal to authority on what "efficient for the body" means, they beamed in a former kidney researcher who is now a homeopathic practitioner?
And I guess "not efficient for the body" is supposed to mean that the Creator did not intend for us to eat things that we create in a lab? Is there like a chapter and verse someone can point me to on that? Is it one of the Commandments?
I feel like we might have gone full potato here.10 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
Coincidentally, she changed her avi just minutes after you posted this. So we know she's watching and 'woo'ing. That's some classic third-grade low-rent bull*kitten*.
She changes her avi basically every day1 -
campfirequeen1 wrote: »@bpetrosky After reading your post I thought wow what did I miss? I wasn't aware that there was a debate forum. I didn't realize there were rules for posting in this or any other thread. I went back to the beginning and searched and guess what, it isn't a debate forum and there are no rules! I can put my opinion here just like you can and I don't need an invitation, but that was sweet of you. Thanks!
This is the debate forum and their are rules of conduct for posting here that are pinned to the top of the forum as an announcement that you can take a look at called "Posting in Debate". Or...alternatively you can pretend they dont exist or decide they dont apply to you or that you dont respect them or the forum enough to comply. You are correct that no one is going to arrest you for blowing off forum post guidelines. I also understand that since you were linked to this thread directly by a friend you may not have realized that it was a thread within the debate forum although I'm not sure why you would deny that it was when it was mentioned given that it is indeed a thread with the debate forum which you can determine for yourself with minimal effort.6 -
I'm curious why farmed fish is singled out as unnatural but farming other animals is fine and natural. That's a whole other topic, though. I still don't understand what "not efficient for the body" means.3
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I'm curious why farmed fish is singled out as unnatural but farming other animals is fine and natural. That's a whole other topic, though. I still don't understand what "not efficient for the body" means.
I doubt we'll ever find out.3 -
campfirequeen1 wrote: »@Mari22na messaged me to look at this thread because I am a retired medical researcher. I am not that kind of researcher, my career was spent studying the disease of kidneys and clinical research in kidney patients. Mari22na does not know that I am also a Homeopathic Physician. That seems contradictory to some folks and it sort of is, but this is what I believe, you are entitled to your own brand of medical care, opinion, crazy or whatever, but you need to understand both sides of the issue if you really care about doing what is right/best. So, some of my patients got natural medicine and some got pharmaceuticals, for myself, I typically use naturopathic rather than allopathic, but that is my choice. When it comes to food, I feel exactly the same. I like the real thing, designed by the master designer and creator. I don't want "farmed" fish and seafood, lab created anything, I want sustainable natural food that has not been modified. Your body was not designed to use that stuff and that is why we have diseases now that are new creations and why we are not able to fight off diseases like we used to, etc. But hey, that's your choice, just do your own research and think about it before you make up your mind.
Being a medical researcher, kidney research or homeopath doesn't really give you any insight into the topic so I'm not sure why you mention your profession. I didn't mention my profession because I didn't think it relevant but I'm a research scientist in the public health sector as well. Thing is I'm a molecular biologist working on infectious disease and the closest my lab comes to this type of work is tissue culture of immortalized hepatic cell lines for the purpose of cytotoxicity assays or THP1 or RAW264.7 macrophage cell lines for intraceullular efficacy studies. Those are immortalized cell lines grown in batch and plated into monolayers so I didn't feel that was relevant enough to stem-cell derived multilayer tissue culture to mention. So why even mention it, it doesn't lend any credence to claims made about stem-cell derived tissue culturing. That said I don't see how tearing down your profession is relevant either, neither is particularly relevant.
The issue isn't stating what we want or what we believe. If you say you wouldn't want to eat cultured meat that is perfectly fine. If you say you personally believe that a diet with protein sources derived from cultured meat would be lacking in some way people may ask you why you believe that and to back up your reasoning but at least you used the word "believe". If you instead however claim to "know" that cultured meat is unsustainable or dangerous then I have to say I don't believe that you actually know that at all because I don't think anyone knows that.
From my own experience I would think that cultured meat would likely have a strange texture and wouldn't be amenable to producing a steak, would have to do ground meat for it to have a similar consistency. I also imagine it would be pure protein and would not be marbled with fat or other tissue types which would affect flavor. I also think the research has a ways to go before it is economically viable and a practical alternative to farmed meat.
However I see no reason to suspect that it would be somehow dangerous and I certainly don't see how it would cause disease or diseases that are "new creations" whatever that means. Notice I use the term believe and not know...because how could I "know" that about a product that doesn't even exist yet in a commercial form. How could you "know" that?
The issues I took with your friends post is that they were making fact claims and claims of knowledge that they couldn't actually have or that were just outright and demonstrably wrong. Refering to meat derived from tissue culture as being a "genetically modified organism" for example. I wanted them to clarify their position and back up their claims or, alternatively, modify their language to just refer to their position as being their beliefs on the topic rather than somehow facts or special knowledge. That is all....I think that is a reasonable request to make. Certainly have no problem with someone just saying "eww yucky, no thanks" if they want to which I suspect is all this really is.13 -
campfirequeen1 wrote: »@Mari22na messaged me to look at this thread because I am a retired medical researcher. I am not that kind of researcher, my career was spent studying the disease of kidneys and clinical research in kidney patients. Mari22na does not know that I am also a Homeopathic Physician. That seems contradictory to some folks and it sort of is, but this is what I believe, you are entitled to your own brand of medical care, opinion, crazy or whatever, but you need to understand both sides of the issue if you really care about doing what is right/best. So, some of my patients got natural medicine and some got pharmaceuticals, for myself, I typically use naturopathic rather than allopathic, but that is my choice. When it comes to food, I feel exactly the same. I like the real thing, designed by the master designer and creator. I don't want "farmed" fish and seafood, lab created anything, I want sustainable natural food that has not been modified. Your body was not designed to use that stuff and that is why we have diseases now that are new creations and why we are not able to fight off diseases like we used to, etc. But hey, that's your choice, just do your own research and think about it before you make up your mind.
If someone wants scientific reinforcements, calling in a homeopathic "physician" is ridiculous.
What do you eat that hasn't been modified? Are you saying you avoid things like broccoli and apples? They didn't just spring up from the earth, you know. They're the product of generations of human decisions and manipulation.11 -
.Wait wait wait wait wait. The poster who said the opinions of posters who don't use their real picture for an avatar are of no value, doesn't use their own picture as an avatar?
And for an appeal to authority on what "efficient for the body" means, they beamed in a former kidney researcher who is now a homeopathic practitioner?
And I guess "not efficient for the body" is supposed to mean that the Creator did not intend for us to eat things that we create in a lab? Is there like a chapter and verse someone can point me to on that? Is it one of the Commandments?
I feel like we might have gone full potato here.
I believe it's a lesser known Subcommandment. Thou shalt not kill (unless it's to avoid plastic meat because it's gross and your body doesn't know what to do with it, and it will KILL you in new and as of yet unknown ways). Biblical subtext is complex.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »campfirequeen1 wrote: »@Mari22na messaged me to look at this thread because I am a retired medical researcher. I am not that kind of researcher, my career was spent studying the disease of kidneys and clinical research in kidney patients. Mari22na does not know that I am also a Homeopathic Physician. That seems contradictory to some folks and it sort of is, but this is what I believe, you are entitled to your own brand of medical care, opinion, crazy or whatever, but you need to understand both sides of the issue if you really care about doing what is right/best. So, some of my patients got natural medicine and some got pharmaceuticals, for myself, I typically use naturopathic rather than allopathic, but that is my choice. When it comes to food, I feel exactly the same. I like the real thing, designed by the master designer and creator. I don't want "farmed" fish and seafood, lab created anything, I want sustainable natural food that has not been modified. Your body was not designed to use that stuff and that is why we have diseases now that are new creations and why we are not able to fight off diseases like we used to, etc. But hey, that's your choice, just do your own research and think about it before you make up your mind.
If someone wants scientific reinforcements, calling in a homeopathic "physician" is ridiculous.
What do you eat that hasn't been modified? Are you saying you avoid things like broccoli and apples? They didn't just spring up from the earth, you know. They're the product of generations of human decisions and manipulation.
Have you ever seen a wild artichoke? Yikes
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L1zardQueen wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »campfirequeen1 wrote: »@Mari22na messaged me to look at this thread because I am a retired medical researcher. I am not that kind of researcher, my career was spent studying the disease of kidneys and clinical research in kidney patients. Mari22na does not know that I am also a Homeopathic Physician. That seems contradictory to some folks and it sort of is, but this is what I believe, you are entitled to your own brand of medical care, opinion, crazy or whatever, but you need to understand both sides of the issue if you really care about doing what is right/best. So, some of my patients got natural medicine and some got pharmaceuticals, for myself, I typically use naturopathic rather than allopathic, but that is my choice. When it comes to food, I feel exactly the same. I like the real thing, designed by the master designer and creator. I don't want "farmed" fish and seafood, lab created anything, I want sustainable natural food that has not been modified. Your body was not designed to use that stuff and that is why we have diseases now that are new creations and why we are not able to fight off diseases like we used to, etc. But hey, that's your choice, just do your own research and think about it before you make up your mind.
If someone wants scientific reinforcements, calling in a homeopathic "physician" is ridiculous.
What do you eat that hasn't been modified? Are you saying you avoid things like broccoli and apples? They didn't just spring up from the earth, you know. They're the product of generations of human decisions and manipulation.
Have you ever seen a wild artichoke? Yikes
Beautiful, but scary!0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »campfirequeen1 wrote: »@Mari22na messaged me to look at this thread because I am a retired medical researcher. I am not that kind of researcher, my career was spent studying the disease of kidneys and clinical research in kidney patients. Mari22na does not know that I am also a Homeopathic Physician. That seems contradictory to some folks and it sort of is, but this is what I believe, you are entitled to your own brand of medical care, opinion, crazy or whatever, but you need to understand both sides of the issue if you really care about doing what is right/best. So, some of my patients got natural medicine and some got pharmaceuticals, for myself, I typically use naturopathic rather than allopathic, but that is my choice. When it comes to food, I feel exactly the same. I like the real thing, designed by the master designer and creator. I don't want "farmed" fish and seafood, lab created anything, I want sustainable natural food that has not been modified. Your body was not designed to use that stuff and that is why we have diseases now that are new creations and why we are not able to fight off diseases like we used to, etc. But hey, that's your choice, just do your own research and think about it before you make up your mind.
If someone wants scientific reinforcements, calling in a homeopathic "physician" is ridiculous.
What do you eat that hasn't been modified? Are you saying you avoid things like broccoli and apples? They didn't just spring up from the earth, you know. They're the product of generations of human decisions and manipulation.
Have you ever seen a wild artichoke? Yikes
Beautiful, but scary!
Makes you wonder about the first person to think "I'm hungry and I'm going to put that in my mouth."4 -
I wonder the same whenever I prep Gundelia and live to tell the tale. Who in their right mind thought a thistle looked appetizing?0
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L1zardQueen wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »campfirequeen1 wrote: »@Mari22na messaged me to look at this thread because I am a retired medical researcher. I am not that kind of researcher, my career was spent studying the disease of kidneys and clinical research in kidney patients. Mari22na does not know that I am also a Homeopathic Physician. That seems contradictory to some folks and it sort of is, but this is what I believe, you are entitled to your own brand of medical care, opinion, crazy or whatever, but you need to understand both sides of the issue if you really care about doing what is right/best. So, some of my patients got natural medicine and some got pharmaceuticals, for myself, I typically use naturopathic rather than allopathic, but that is my choice. When it comes to food, I feel exactly the same. I like the real thing, designed by the master designer and creator. I don't want "farmed" fish and seafood, lab created anything, I want sustainable natural food that has not been modified. Your body was not designed to use that stuff and that is why we have diseases now that are new creations and why we are not able to fight off diseases like we used to, etc. But hey, that's your choice, just do your own research and think about it before you make up your mind.
If someone wants scientific reinforcements, calling in a homeopathic "physician" is ridiculous.
What do you eat that hasn't been modified? Are you saying you avoid things like broccoli and apples? They didn't just spring up from the earth, you know. They're the product of generations of human decisions and manipulation.
Have you ever seen a wild artichoke? Yikes
Everything about that is screaming, "Don't eat me!!!"
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Here is another. I see these, too, in early spring on my hikes.
The wild cucumber.1 -
Fun fact, corn has been modified so much (via normal cultivation practices, not in a lab) that it is virtually incapable of surviving on its own, because it can't disperse its seeds. It is the ultimate example of indehiscence. So if you want corn after the zombie apocalypse, be sure to grab some seeds on one of your foraging runs and guard them with your life, otherwise you're *kitten* out of luck.4
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I don’t eat meat because of the incredible cruelty of factory farming and the huge amount of resources it uses and pollution it creates. If lab grown meat was not super resource intensive, sure I’d eat it, even though I haven’t eaten meat in 30 years.0
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They're now thinking about texture, so that's one step forward
https://newfoodeconomy.org/cell-cultured-meat-plant-scaffold/1 -
Well.
Considering that the US does not require labeling of transgenic food it is not crazy to believe that it won't require labeling for this either.
At some point, you may be eating it without even realizing you're doing so.
If the meat is the same in taste, texture and fragrance, and it should be since it has the same molecular structure, you won't notice it either.
It may even save the environment, as there will be no need for the industrial/factory farms, no more greenhouse gasses, no more food borne viral and bacterial infections, no more slaughter and suffering.
Or, you could just go vegan.
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Well.
Considering that the US does not require labeling of transgenic food it is not crazy to believe that it won't require labeling for this either.
At some point, you may be eating it without even realizing you're doing so.
If the meat is the same in taste, texture and fragrance, and it should be since it has the same molecular structure, you won't notice it either.
It may even save the environment, as there will be no need for the industrial/factory farms, no more greenhouse gasses, no more food borne viral and bacterial infections, no more slaughter and suffering.
Or, you could just go vegan.
Depending on the conditions in which the lab grown meat is produced, going vegan and eating the lab grown meat wouldn't be mutually exclusive.1
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