How Good Does Being "in shape" Taste/Feel
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I think this may be an old WW mantra
"Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels." When I was there a few years a go it got tossed around a lot. I don't like it at all because it sets up an all or nothing proposition. Certainly you can maintain your weight loss and have your donut too. Or your frozen custard
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OnthatStuff wrote: »I have finally come to grips with the fact that in order to reach my goals, I'm going to need to let go of my obsession with donuts
. As I've said my last goodbye's recently, something Oprah Winfrey mentioned some years ago (early 2000's, i think) came to mind. She said something like "nothing tastes better than how being thin/in-shape feels" (loose paraphrase). Sheesh -- talk about blasphemy, right!
Now, as crazy as it seems, I'm entertaining the possibility of her being onto something. However, I can't think of many more things that trump how great glazed donuts taste IMO.
What's up with that?
I think the phrase harbors a bit of an all or nothing mentality and it can cause a lot of unnecessary hand wringing and in most cases it ultimately doesn't result in a very positive relationship with food, fitness, and health.
I'm a pretty fit guy...my wife's a pretty fit lady...most of our friends are pretty healthy and fit and some work in the industry...we all have our indulgences but tend to look at the bigger picture of what we're doing most of the time. I enjoy a doughnut here and there...I don't eat doughnuts most of the time. Friday night is typically pizza night...but it's one evening out of how many evenings that will make up the whole of my life. I went out for beer and tequila shots with my trainer and close personal friend a couple of weeks ago...not something we're doing all of the time, but enjoy on occasion.
I enjoy being fit and I enjoy fitness activities...I enjoy eating well (which doesn't have to mean bland or boring)...but I also enjoy good company and sometimes food is as much for pleasure as it is for fuel and nutrition...it doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition.7 -
I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.8 -
I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. My mom made me an old favorite dessert recently, and it's still sitting in my fridge, likely to spoil before I ever have any desire to eat it. It's not restrictive when I'd literally have to force myself to eat it. Fat me would have killed that pie in two days.6 -
It feels awesome. Seriously after working out and being in shape it's really nice.1
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@Tacklewasher, et. al ... I know that "O" is not the best role model for these types of things, but I found encouragement in her story. At the time that I watched, she seemed to be really kickin' butt. And all while having an intense love/addiction for carbs that she made a point to passionately express. I know that I'm no better as I often find myself fantasizing about pastries like an ex-lover reminiscing over Marvin Gaye tunes about the one that got away. It's a wonder I've not fallen off the wagon yet. So whenever blue tear drops start falling and my emotional stability is leaving me, I know that there's something I could do -- get to the nearest retailer of "the scrumdiddlyumptious" and have at it! Thankfully, that was the old me. For now, I guess I'll just have to keep my head down and soldier on if I want to see for myself how the other half lives.
Thanks again for all the tips and encouragement. For sure, rockstars you guys/gals are!4 -
sunfastrose wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I'm having trouble getting past "something Oprah said". Not the best example of successful weight loss
And just to point out - the saying has been co-opted by the pro-ana (pro-anorexia) communities, so I regard it warily now.
Every time I hear this or one of its paraphrasings I can't think of anything except the people I was in an ED clinic with. It sends a shiver down my spine.1 -
OP - enjoying your post humor.2
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OnthatStuff wrote: »@Tacklewasher, et. al ... I know that "O" is not the best role model for these types of things, but I found encouragement in her story.
You want some real success stories? Read these
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1276219/i-went-from-morbidly-obese-to-6-pack-abs-ask-me-anything/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10538097/i-hit-95-pounds-lost-in-under-a-year-o/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10421055/from-388-to-215-and-still-going-its-been-quite-a-ride/p1
All real people on this site who have dropped tremendous amounts of weight and kept it off (I think the second one is still losing). And all done in a healthy, but not obsessive way. These are 3 of many that I keep tabs on the threads. Spend some time in the success story forum to get some real and practical encouragement.
Hell, I'm down almost 85 lbs since August.
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I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
If being skinny/fit doesn't make you feel much better than being obese, I fail to see the point of getting fit.
That's just rhetorical. Being fit makes me feel less worried about health, get up much easier, less joint pain, on and on..a million times better than being overweight. It could not be more untrue about "feel the same as the old fat you"
Gallow is right about "Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. " Tastes and cravings are acquired and condition-based. They can be as acquired as they can be un-acquired, completely gone from one's life.
Don't assume that you will be craving donuts or something the rest of you life.
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How good does being a normal weight, fit, and healthy feel?
It feels great when my 6yo grandson calls 'nana carry me on your shoulders', and I can.
'Nana' come on, we need to find Yoda in the woods' and I can climb and crawl along with him.
It feels great when I can harness up and repel down waterfalls.
It feels great when I can put on snorkel gear and see the colours of the Caribbean underwater.
It feels great when I can carry paving stones to build a patio.
It feels great when I can accomplish everyday tasks without needing help.
It feels great being confident.
But most of all it feels great that I wake up each morning with no ....
aches and pains,
need for medications,
physical limitations (bar one from an accident when young),
And am able to enjoy my life.
Cheers, h.13 -
How does being in shape taste? I dunno. I'm in much better condition than I've been since, ever, and still eat some of the same things that taste the same as ever they did before I started doing anything about my obesity.
How does being in shape feel? I'm probably rare in that as an obese person I felt ok. As a slim person I feel ok.
I can do infinitely more pull-ups now than I could then, 1 vs 0.
As an obese person I reported quarterly to my doctor for observation of my obesity and blood pressure and listening to the quarterly admonition to lose weight. As a slim person, it's down to an annual check-up and no money spent on prescriptions for blood pressure that's normal, almost even low.
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The issue with a donut is people eat them as a snack and they can range from 300-500 calories. 300-500 calories and usually with coffee (50 calories) or orange juice (100+ calories) is a breakfast, not a snack. You CAN eat them, but you need to count calories or make sure you stay active and burn more than you eat.2
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endlessfall16 wrote: »I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
If being skinny/fit doesn't make you feel much better than being obese, I fail to see the point of getting fit.
That's just rhetorical. Being fit makes me feel less worried about health, get up much easier, less joint pain, on and on..a million times better than being overweight. It could not be more untrue about "feel the same as the old fat you"
Gallow is right about "Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. " Tastes and cravings are acquired and condition-based. They can be as acquired as they can be un-acquired, completely gone from one's life.
Don't assume that you will be craving donuts or something the rest of you life.
I consider myself to be a fit person. Speaking from my own personal experience, being skinny doesn't, in itself, "make" me feel anything. I was speaking more about your mental state and not necessarily about your physical state; I don't personally think that "skinny" is a feeling. Mentally, there is no automatic shift between being skinny and being fat. That kind of a shift in thinking takes work.
Physically, there may be a noticeable change and there may not be. Some people don't physically feel terrible when they're overweight and some people have a lot of discomfort, so YMMV.
I absolutely still crave things like doughnuts. Losing weight didn't necessarily change my tastebuds. Just hoping that the feeling of being skinny is enough to make you not want things that taste good is ridiculous.5 -
Let's say that baked goods and chocolate taste better to me than my last 10 vanity pounds.12
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If you are using Oprah as a reference for your fitness or diet then that is a problem in itself.OnthatStuff wrote: »I have finally come to grips with the fact that in order to reach my goals, I'm going to need to let go of my obsession with donuts . As I've said my last goodbye's recently, something Oprah Winfrey mentioned some years ago (early 2000's, i think) came to mind. She said something like "nothing tastes better than how being thin/in-shape feels" (loose paraphrase). Sheesh -- talk about blasphemy, right!
Oprah is not exactly an example of someone who regularly lives a fitness-oriented lifestyle, is at a healthy weight or even consistent about keeping her weight down.
And that is another meaningless sound-bite phrase in my opinion.
Donuts are not the problem. Eating more calories than you need is the problem.
If complete abstinence is your substitute for discipline then I hope it works for you.
But that is usually a poor long-term strategy.5 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
If being skinny/fit doesn't make you feel much better than being obese, I fail to see the point of getting fit.
That's just rhetorical. Being fit makes me feel less worried about health, get up much easier, less joint pain, on and on..a million times better than being overweight. It could not be more untrue about "feel the same as the old fat you"
Gallow is right about "Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. " Tastes and cravings are acquired and condition-based. They can be as acquired as they can be un-acquired, completely gone from one's life.
Don't assume that you will be craving donuts or something the rest of you life.
I consider myself to be a fit person. Speaking from my own personal experience, being skinny doesn't, in itself, "make" me feel anything. I was speaking more about your mental state and not necessarily about your physical state; I don't personally think that "skinny" is a feeling. Mentally, there is no automatic shift between being skinny and being fat. That kind of a shift in thinking takes work.
Physically, there may be a noticeable change and there may not be. Some people don't physically feel terrible when they're overweight and some people have a lot of discomfort, so YMMV.
I absolutely still crave things like doughnuts. Losing weight didn't necessarily change my tastebuds. Just hoping that the feeling of being skinny is enough to make you not want things that taste good is ridiculous.
This is basically what I was going to say...on the mental front, things aren't really any different for me now vs then...I was actually a pretty happy and confident fat dude...now I'm just a happy and confident fit dude. There are tons of posts that go the other way where they're really unhappy with themselves and they think just losing weight is going to fix that, and it doesn't usually go that way.
I do enjoy the physical benefits of now vs then...mostly I'm able to keep up with my kids without being totally exhausted, and that's nice.6 -
I see the word "skinny" being used
"skinny" and "in shape" are 2 totally different things.2 -
I was thinking the same as tacklewasher said, I have certain downfalls & can't eat just one, so I don't have those in the house. I feel great after losing almost 40lbs (20 more to go) I'm 63 & feel 10 yrs younger2
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I don't like the phrase, personally. It makes me think of restriction and deprivation. I have to choose between eating food's I enjoy or being healthy physically? Personally, I'll have my cake and eat it too.2
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endlessfall16 wrote: »I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
If being skinny/fit doesn't make you feel much better than being obese, I fail to see the point of getting fit.
That's just rhetorical. Being fit makes me feel less worried about health, get up much easier, less joint pain, on and on..a million times better than being overweight. It could not be more untrue about "feel the same as the old fat you"
Gallow is right about "Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. " Tastes and cravings are acquired and condition-based. They can be as acquired as they can be un-acquired, completely gone from one's life.
Don't assume that you will be craving donuts or something the rest of you life.
I consider myself to be a fit person. Speaking from my own personal experience, being skinny doesn't, in itself, "make" me feel anything. I was speaking more about your mental state and not necessarily about your physical state; I don't personally think that "skinny" is a feeling. Mentally, there is no automatic shift between being skinny and being fat. That kind of a shift in thinking takes work.
Physically, there may be a noticeable change and there may not be. Some people don't physically feel terrible when they're overweight and some people have a lot of discomfort, so YMMV.
I absolutely still crave things like doughnuts. Losing weight didn't necessarily change my tastebuds. Just hoping that the feeling of being skinny is enough to make you not want things that taste good is ridiculous.
I get weary of those who argue anything "in itself". That's arrogant debating. "In self", like "in theory", virtually never exists. No such thing as "skinny in itself". You're being skinny in the body and it affects the mind. Hence, the saying "a healthy mind in a healthy body". They tend to work as a system. Almost never individually.
You don't get to being skinny by switching a switch. You get there usually by using a system and changing a lot of things. Changes are necessary when you need to leave the old way behind. Changes are a must. Not hoping.
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TimothyFish wrote: »There's nothing wrong with having one 300-400 calorie doughnut once in a while. And if you walk, run, or ride a bicycle to the doughnut shop, you'll find it is less of an issue. I find that being in shape means that I get more of that kind of stuff, not less. There's a cookie shop in downtown Fort Worth that has become one of my cycling destinations. It is fifteen miles there and fifteen miles back, so I burn through whatever I eat before I get home. If you are trying to lose weight without exercise then yeah, you pretty much have to give up that stuff. But if you are doing it without exercise then you aren't really getting in shape.I was thinking the same as tacklewasher said, I have certain downfalls & can't eat just one, so I don't have those in the house. I feel great after losing almost 40lbs (20 more to go) I'm 63 & feel 10 yrs youngerGallowmere1984 wrote: »Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. My mom made me an old favorite dessert recently, and it's still sitting in my fridge, likely to spoil before I ever have any desire to eat it. It's not restrictive when I'd literally have to force myself to eat it. Fat me would have killed that pie in two days.
This is pretty true for me too... Those high Fat/sugar combination foods like donuts are so addictive. After a while, you start to forget what eating them is like and lost much of that craving. Then Fat Tuesday comes around (along with a large box of Pazcki), and the moment that first bite of fatty, sugary goodness hits your bloodstream like a drug, you just want MORE.
With that said, having 1 of them occasionally (and not having a box with more around) won't de-rail your diet (unless it is a trigger food for you), especially if you are getting exercise. Make it a stop on long bicycle ride (a lot of our local group rides have a stop at an ice cream stand for instance).
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I'm having trouble getting past "something Oprah said". Not the best example of successful weight loss
And just to point out - the saying has been co-opted by the pro-ana (pro-anorexia) communities, so I regard it warily now.
Every time I hear this or one of its paraphrasings I can't think of anything except the people I was in an ED clinic with. It sends a shiver down my spine.
Yeah. In fact, wasn't that quote originally said by an emaciated, possibly anorexic, fashion model.2 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I'm having trouble getting past "something Oprah said". Not the best example of successful weight loss
And just to point out - the saying has been co-opted by the pro-ana (pro-anorexia) communities, so I regard it warily now.
Every time I hear this or one of its paraphrasings I can't think of anything except the people I was in an ED clinic with. It sends a shiver down my spine.
Yeah. In fact, wasn't that quote originally said by an emaciated, possibly anorexic, fashion model.
Yes, to all of these replies. It makes me shudder for the reasons listed. But I try to consider how the people likely meant it - out of making healthier choices, not massive deprivation. Being healthy and happy - technically there isn't a food equivalent.. because food isn't an emotion or feeling? Now I'm just engaging in nitpicking semantics.
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I'm having trouble getting past "something Oprah said". Not the best example of successful weight loss
And just to point out - the saying has been co-opted by the pro-ana (pro-anorexia) communities, so I regard it warily now.
Every time I hear this or one of its paraphrasings I can't think of anything except the people I was in an ED clinic with. It sends a shiver down my spine.
Yeah. In fact, wasn't that quote originally said by an emaciated, possibly anorexic, fashion model.
Said by a skinny fashion model -- yeah reek of anorexic.
Worried by obese people -- putting the cart way before the horse.0 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
If being skinny/fit doesn't make you feel much better than being obese, I fail to see the point of getting fit.
That's just rhetorical. Being fit makes me feel less worried about health, get up much easier, less joint pain, on and on..a million times better than being overweight. It could not be more untrue about "feel the same as the old fat you"
Gallow is right about "Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. " Tastes and cravings are acquired and condition-based. They can be as acquired as they can be un-acquired, completely gone from one's life.
Don't assume that you will be craving donuts or something the rest of you life.
As someone who's 4 years into maintenance-if it wasn't for the weight loss improving my blood work panels/health markers, frankly I wouldn't be bothering with this whole thing. I wasn't unhappy being overweight and I didn't have any obvious health conditions/struggles, (my issue was internal, with no symptoms). I was fine with how I looked and I really don't feel that much different now. It gets really tedious to always have to be mindful of my calorie intake now, to always check labels, to say no to food I want to eat and all the other things I have to do, to maintain my weight loss. The 'high' of losing the extra weight wore off a long time ago and I can totally see why most people fail at long term maintenance. I'll keep at this whole thing for the rest of my life, (which could be 40+ more years), because I know my weight directly controls my glucose number, but I'm under no illusion that weight loss does anything magical to how I 'feel'. I'm the same as I was before, I just wear different sized clothes now.
I realize I sound like I'm being a downer, but I think a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of what actually may happen with weight loss.7 -
OnthatStuff wrote: »I have finally come to grips with the fact that in order to reach my goals, I'm going to need to let go of my obsession with donuts . As I've said my last goodbye's recently, something Oprah Winfrey mentioned some years ago (early 2000's, i think) came to mind. She said something like "nothing tastes better than how being thin/in-shape feels" (loose paraphrase). Sheesh -- talk about blasphemy, right!
Now, as crazy as it seems, I'm entertaining the possibility of her being onto something. However, I can't think of many more things that trump how great glazed donuts taste IMO.
What's up with that?
Honestly, those glazed doughnuts will taste 1000x better when you have them every now and then as a treat rather than on a regular basis. Imagine that your taste buds are no longer used to the taste of those glazed doughnuts because they are no longer regularly exposed to them. Now imagine a special occasion when you do decide to treat yourself to this mythical glazed doughnut, and it's as delicious as the first time...and on every special occasion that you treat yourself to one is equally amazing
Perspective is everything.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. My mom made me an old favorite dessert recently, and it's still sitting in my fridge, likely to spoil before I ever have any desire to eat it. It's not restrictive when I'd literally have to force myself to eat it. Fat me would have killed that pie in two days.
There's not one food on this earth that I'd give up being fit for. Most of the things people talk about being tempting like doughnuts, cake, cookies, pie, and candies I have no desire at all for. I don't even think about things like lower calorie versions of ice cream because I have become almost completely indifferent to ice cream.
On occasion I have a small amount of some kind of dessert, but most of them are too sweet to even be tolerable and even the idea of them just turns me off. I had a milk shake in December of 2015 that I had banked calories for a week to have, and after I had it, I just sat there thinking it wasn't worth it because I didn't even enjoy more than the first maybe two ounces of it and I felt pretty awful for the rest of the day, stomach being upset.
Kind of like when you're a kid and you wish you had enough money to buy all the candy in the checkout at the grocery store. Then you grow up, and you're an adult, and you do have the money to do that. You just don't want to anymore.4 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »I really, really hate that quote. It implies two things:
1. That skinny is a feeling
2. Once you get to "skinny," you just walk around feeling all hunky-dory all the time and never have food cravings
Neither of those things are remotely true. Unless you also do a lot of work mentally as well, the new skinny you will feel the same as the old fat you. If you don't find a way to incorporate treats and fun foods into your diet, skinny you will be craving doughnuts MUCH MORE than you are right now and they'll taste that much better.
If being skinny/fit doesn't make you feel much better than being obese, I fail to see the point of getting fit.
That's just rhetorical. Being fit makes me feel less worried about health, get up much easier, less joint pain, on and on..a million times better than being overweight. It could not be more untrue about "feel the same as the old fat you"
Gallow is right about "Actually, the further I stayed away from such foods, the less I wanted them. " Tastes and cravings are acquired and condition-based. They can be as acquired as they can be un-acquired, completely gone from one's life.
Don't assume that you will be craving donuts or something the rest of you life.
I consider myself to be a fit person. Speaking from my own personal experience, being skinny doesn't, in itself, "make" me feel anything. I was speaking more about your mental state and not necessarily about your physical state; I don't personally think that "skinny" is a feeling. Mentally, there is no automatic shift between being skinny and being fat. That kind of a shift in thinking takes work.
Physically, there may be a noticeable change and there may not be. Some people don't physically feel terrible when they're overweight and some people have a lot of discomfort, so YMMV.
I absolutely still crave things like doughnuts. Losing weight didn't necessarily change my tastebuds. Just hoping that the feeling of being skinny is enough to make you not want things that taste good is ridiculous.
I get weary of those who argue anything "in itself". That's arrogant debating. "In self", like "in theory", virtually never exists. No such thing as "skinny in itself". You're being skinny in the body and it affects the mind. Hence, the saying "a healthy mind in a healthy body". They tend to work as a system. Almost never individually.
You don't get to being skinny by switching a switch. You get there usually by using a system and changing a lot of things. Changes are necessary when you need to leave the old way behind. Changes are a must. Not hoping.
It's possible to lose weight and have no associated changes in mindset/mental state.
It's possible to lose weight and have positive associated changes in mindset/mental state.
It's even possible to lose weight and have negative associated changes in mindset/mental state.
Losing weight is not dependent upon, nor does it necessarily lead to, any change of mindset, outlook, perspective, etc. Your argument may be true in your experience, but there are people other than me in this thread who are telling you that your experience is not universal.4
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