MEAT - good or bad?
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"What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? "
Really? Really? You need a study to determine it's bad to eat chemical and antibiotic filled meat?
Dude. I won't debate whether meat is bad or good..
Just buy organic, or buy from a local place where you can see where the animals come from.0 -
I never dated a girl who didn't eat meat.
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Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.
I've noticed that the "studies" that are done that prove that eating meat (or eating too much meat) causes health problems all seem to use conventionally raised & processed meats that are filled with antibiotics & hormones and raised in pens...etc. What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to read an actual study, but would like to see any summaries...etc.
After hundreds of hours of researching food/nutrition I've recently started transitioning to a whole foods, plant based diet as a way to stack the odds in my favor for good health and cancer prevention (every single woman in my family for several generations has had cancer, as well as several of the men). There's lots of books, lectures, articles and documentaries out there for more info-take the time and do some research, and then make up your own mind about what you're eating
meat causes cancer.???? Well F me, we are all doomed, doomed I say!!!!
Ya gotta die of something. How much would it suck to die of nothing?0 -
I heard an interesting theory a few years ago that the human intestine is too long to deal with meat properly. Apparently carnivores (lion for example) have much shorter intestines so what they eat is processed quickly. Whereas with the human intestines being much longer the meat sits around for too long partially rotting and releasing gasses etc while still inside us. So from that aspect it wouldnt matter really how the animal you eat was raised.
This caused me to google "human intestines too long for meat" and I came across this gem:
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Good for a few lols. I learned that we are full of rotting meat and that carnivores, like lions, have super acid saliva. So don't let your cat lick you lest they burn your face off.
Cat saliva chemical peel... coming soon to a spa near you!0 -
Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.
I've noticed that the "studies" that are done that prove that eating meat (or eating too much meat) causes health problems all seem to use conventionally raised & processed meats that are filled with antibiotics & hormones and raised in pens...etc. What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to read an actual study, but would like to see any summaries...etc.
After hundreds of hours of researching food/nutrition I've recently started transitioning to a whole foods, plant based diet as a way to stack the odds in my favor for good health and cancer prevention (every single woman in my family for several generations has had cancer, as well as several of the men). There's lots of books, lectures, articles and documentaries out there for more info-take the time and do some research, and then make up your own mind about what you're eating
meat causes cancer.???? Well F me, we are all doomed, doomed I say!!!!
Well, with the 100% cancer rate of the women in my family, that pretty much sums it up for me. I'm 34 years old and my dr. wants me to get my first mammogram this year. That really sucks.
But, I refuse to go down without a fight so I'm eating in a way that I think is best for me and my health. If I do get cancer some day I can at least say I tried to do something to help prevent it . But, everyone is different and what I feel is the ideal diet for me is not going to be the same for someone else. That's why I suggested the OP spend the time and do the research for herself/himself and then decide what makes the most sense for them 0 -
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Well, with the 100% cancer rate of the women in my family, that pretty much sums it up for me. But, I refuse to go down without a fight so I'm eating in a way that I think is best for me and my health. If I do get cancer some day I can at least say I tried to do something to help prevent it . But, everyone is different and what I feel is the ideal diet for me is not going to be the same for someone else. That's why I suggested the OP spend the time and do the research for herself/himself and then decide what makes the most sense for them
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Well said.0 -
Cat saliva chemical peel... coming soon to a spa near you!
Health spas where you can sit with your feet being cleaned up in tanks of Garra rufa fish with cats licking your face. Yum - where do I sign up?0 -
When I worked for a Management Company in the College Food Service industry it amazed me that the student vegetarians I met were either gaunt and emaciated, or stout and obese. None of them appeared healthy.0
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^^^ well if he is still alive thats good enough for meeee !!
"What's cholesterol?"
An illusion, meat is good. Just keep veggies in there too and you will not have to worry about cholesterol.0 -
OK im back with another two cents....
The answers lie in our teeth!!! Its not really that complicated!
Cows= flat teeth thus herbivores
Lions=sharp teeth thus carnivores
Homo-sapiens= Flat teeth/sharp teeth thus omnivores
Food starts out in our mouth, we were created to chew all sorts of food so i think its a very simple thing
Eat everything!!! ... Except people.... and poison.... those are pretty off limits
ok im gone again
Oi! come back!! - a serious uestion for you - why then do gorillas need sharp teeth when they are herbivores (apart from ants)? I suggest that on an evolutionary scale our sharp teeth are much smaller than gorillas because we are evolving toward a more plant based diet, though social convention (not necessity) dictates otherwise.
We need protein, agreed, but some of us choose to eat meat.
so to address the original question, I would say that flesh is a more complete protein than plant protein but plant protein is more easily digestible for more people so my favour would be towards a herbivorous and away from an omnivorous diet.
I don't profess to be a science, biology, or evolutionary guru by any means ...I believe in God too much to advocate the idea of evolution but thats a whole other fish fry that i DONT want to get into lol.... this just comes from what i feel is common sense.
Do we know nothing of gorillas?
Gorillas use their sharp pointed teeth when fighting as weapons. For example when fighting a leopard. And when they are building nests etc, they use their teeth as tools. I'm pretty sure we don't use our teeth to strip a piece of wood.
And their teeth are bigger than ours not because we are "evolving toward a more plant based diet" but because ...here's a secret ssh don't tell... Gorillas are bigger animals equating to bigger teeth.
How silly would it be if we had canines the size of gorillas canines?
And although we share certain percentages of DNA with certain animals (woop dee doo) we are not those animals and those animals are not humans it is not 100% shared DNA. Their teeth were designed to best suit them in their habitat and their needs. Do you want to live the way a gorilla does or a lion or a squirrel for that matter? I'm pretty sure no one does so how is it we can compare our dietary needs to that of animals.
Our teeth (i still say) were designed for getting nutrients from all sources including meat. Our bodies need certain types of protein we cant get from a solely plant based diet. We need it to build muscle Why do you think that at some point vegetarians vegans or whatever end up having to supplement with some type of protein? Our bodies need it. One example our hair skin nails all are made up of an outer layer of protein. We also need it to build muscle plain and simple.
And even on that note every HUMAN's body reacts differently. One person can be allergic to strawberries while another is not. One person may not process protein as well as another. Key being 'as well' ... But they still need it. Just like some one lactose intolerant still has to find a way to get calcium.
The bottom line is that its not the animal protein that is bad for us it is the EXCESS that is also laden with bad fats/Poor processing practices that we in today's society tend to eat that is bad for us.
These are just my 'two cents' as has been my theme...
Carry on.... :flowerforyou:0 -
@ndj... youre my favorite here so far :drinker:
And the way things are now adays... People will claim carrots cause cancer and then there we go everybody goes blind cause they cant eat carrots So we all 'evolve' into mole rats...
Thats where i see this headed
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^^^ well if he is still alive thats good enough for meeee !!
"What's cholesterol?"
An illusion, meat is good. Just keep veggies in there too and you will not have to worry about cholesterol.
and dont forget essercise and h2o 0 -
"What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? "
Really? Really? You need a study to determine it's bad to eat chemical and antibiotic filled meat?
Dude. I won't debate whether meat is bad or good..
Just buy organic, or buy from a local place where you can see where the animals come from.
I think you misunderstood the question. My question was, of all these "studies" that cause the media to go crazy and tell everyone that MEAT IS NOT HEALTHY, has any single study been done showing that even humanely raised meat is "unhealthy"?
My point is, the studies are garbage. Of course chemical/antibiotic filled meat is bad. Which is why I find the "studies" to be useless.0 -
intelligent conversation = epic fail on MFP threads...
I was giggling a little when I typed that... :laugh:0 -
Seconding the want for something proving causation. Plus it's too easy for studies to accidentally measure effects of modern lifestyles rather than modern diet for me to simply take the word of the media, whose job is to create what people will pony up for, either by doing it themselves or by letting advertisers market to them as they take it in. The media has no qualms about running junk science because junk science rakes in the green stuff.
Personally, my experience is yet one more that confirms the mainstream in that one of the best things for helping with a lot of obesity-related goodies is still physical activity. It's also toward if not at the bottom of the food chain for compliance which is part of why more doctors are quick to trot out the pills. After starting a medication known to raise total and bad cholesterol, I started biking because the doctor is one that believes if they got there knowing they would get there by bad diet and inactivity, the odds they'll pull out of it by doing otherwise are low. I'm still on the one and I've kept his paws off the prescription pad for anything else. And I ate my meat even more before trying to lose weight, thankyouverymuch.0 -
Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.
I've noticed that the "studies" that are done that prove that eating meat (or eating too much meat) causes health problems all seem to use conventionally raised & processed meats that are filled with antibiotics & hormones and raised in pens...etc. What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to read an actual study, but would like to see any summaries...etc.
After hundreds of hours of researching food/nutrition I've recently started transitioning to a whole foods, plant based diet as a way to stack the odds in my favor for good health and cancer prevention (every single woman in my family for several generations has had cancer, as well as several of the men). There's lots of books, lectures, articles and documentaries out there for more info-take the time and do some research, and then make up your own mind about what you're eating
I just realized THIS is why I'm single. I'm just cancer waiting to happen. And seriously... Ain't nobody got time for dat.0 -
@mommabenefield. thanks for your (gorilla) post. Some interesting points and counter-arguments there. Some I agree with, others not so much. Just wanted to say "thanks" :happy: .0
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@mommabenefield. thanks for your (gorilla) post. Some interesting points and counter-arguments there. Some I agree with, others not so much. Just wanted to say "thanks" :happy: .
Youre entirely welcome ... Thats the beauty of opinion we've all got one lol
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I believe in God too much to advocate the idea of evolution....this just comes from what i feel is common sense.
Belief in God = Faith.
Evolution = Science
What does belief in God have to do with evolution?
I can see if you said your religious faith (the book of genesis fore example) conflicts with your belief in evolution. But that's not common sense. That's Faith.0 -
So the two arguments I see on here for eating meat are:
1. it taste good
2. as omnivores, we can eat meat
I could say the same thing about cake.
To the original poster, what do you hope to accomplish here? There are the veggies that are going to say eating meat is bad, and refer to their sources, then there are the meat eaters who will say eating meat is good and refer to their sources. If you really want to find out whether or not you should eat meat, why not check out both sides? Eat two different diets, each for a month, see which one makes you feel better.0 -
So the two arguments I see on here for eating meat are:
1. it taste good
2. as omnivores, we can eat meat
I could say the same thing about cake.
To the original poster, what do you hope to accomplish here? There are the veggies that are going to say eating meat is bad, and refer to their sources, then there are the meat eaters who will say eating meat is good and refer to their sources. If you really want to find out whether or not you should eat meat, why not check out both sides? Eat two different diets, each for a month, see which one makes you feel better.
what's wrong with cake?0 -
I believe in God too much to advocate the idea of evolution....this just comes from what i feel is common sense.
Belief in God = Faith.
Evolution = Science
What does belief in God have to do with evolution?
I can see if you said your religious faith (the book of genesis fore example) conflicts with your belief in evolution. But that's not common sense. That's Faith.
I was attempting to say... Perhaps i did not communicate with enough clarity.
I said i don't believe in evolution because i believe in God. My understanding is evolution = such things as Big Bang Theory. I believe in my creator. I noticed the word evolution being tossed around and simply wanted to throw it out there I'm not interested in the ideas of evolution. I was hoping by saying that, i would not be confused for advocating the ideas/theory's of evolution
What i think i said was that what i was about to type was just what i feel was common sense with Evolution/Faith pushed aside.
Thats why i said that was "a whole different fish fry" and i didnt want to get into that and i stick to that i dont want to get into that. Its not a particularly great topic for public forums.
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I believe in God too much to advocate the idea of evolution....this just comes from what i feel is common sense.
Belief in God = Faith.
Evolution = Science
What does belief in God have to do with evolution?
I can see if you said your religious faith (the book of genesis fore example) conflicts with your belief in evolution. But that's not common sense. That's Faith.
There are those who have belief in God who see Evolution as part of the creative plan of God, so the theory of evolution can be adopted by both sides if indeed they are sides as many of those who believe in God are also scientists.
Pehaps a topic for a different thread - kind've derrails this one.0 -
Pehaps a topic for a different thread - kind've derrails this one.
Very much agreed ... Probably my mistake for putting that in my original OP in the first place... my intentions were misplaced lol happens all the time0 -
I think your point was valid where it was but was bound to light a blue touchpaper!0
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I think your point was valid where it was but was bound to light a blue touchpaper!
Yes i should have known better smh shame on me :laugh: :flowerforyou:0 -
@ndj... youre my favorite here so far :drinker:
And the way things are now adays... People will claim carrots cause cancer and then there we go everybody goes blind cause they cant eat carrots So we all 'evolve' into mole rats...
Thats where i see this headed
at least someone appreciates my contribution ..0 -
Good. Meat go in belly
Fantastic.0 -
I eatz all the meatz.
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I eatz all the meatz.
I feel cheated your gif did not appear *sadface*
I helpz
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