5000 calories over
annaclaireblack
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I went 3000 calories over my maintenance calories on Sunday and no weight gain. Today I went 5-6000 calories over. Will I gain weight??? Does anybody else have binges that big? I feel so bad.
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Whether you gain weight or not depends on how much of a deficit you're on the rest of the time and how much of this food energy that you're eating your body is managing to process and absorb.
Having said that, the situation you describe does not sound particularly healthy.
I would be much more concerned with what is happening that is making you go 3 and 6K over MAINTENANCE than with whether you're going to lose weight or not.
By the sounds of it, this is something that you should probably address at this time in order to move forward!
There is a lot of experience on the boards from people who have dealt with binge eating disorder.
Do note that while (substantial) overeating is something quite a few of us have done at some point of time or another, binge eating disorder has specific criteria that have to be met to be called such. And, of course, options to treat the issue do exist!
Feeling bad is useless unless you plan to use the feeling as an impetus to change!
Take care.25 -
Only way to know is to wait and see.
Log it and move on, don't beat yourself up - it's done and over. Log it as accurately as you can - it helps to do that.
I've had some pretty high days. I have a journal on my computer in Excel where I log all my calories, my exercise, and then I make notes if there was a really high day. It helps to pinpoint what I was thinking just before the binge. Was I trying to restrict too much right before that? Was there some big emotional event? How can I change that behavior.
Why do you think you had these two binge days? I find I need to keep my calories at a certain level, if I try to eat too little it WILL lead to a binge.
((hug)) You're okay. Move on.7 -
Rather than worrying about gaining weight, I would look into what triggered the binges (overrestriction of calories/foods, stress, etc.) and find ways to prevent them from happening again (upping calories, moderation of foods, even professional help if it's a regular thing).9
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Oh yeah, I definitely do, and in my opinion it's important to allow yourself to have those days where you just lose control. The only thing you can do at after is pick yourself up, brush yourself off, and keep moving forward like nothing happened. Make yourself do it even if you don't want to, because in the end it's about discipline over motivation.4
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annaclaireblack wrote: »I went 3000 calories over my maintenance calories on Sunday and no weight gain. Today I went 5-6000 calories over. Will I gain weight??? Does anybody else have binges that big? I feel so bad.
Yes, you have been a very bad girl, find someone to punish you.
My binges are under 2k over goal.
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Just like losing weight, gaining doesn't happen overnight.
You still logged, which is good - many people just say "oh, heck with it" and stop logging.
I'm going to agree with the previous posters that suggested you determine WHY you ate so much. Perhaps you need to raise your calorie goal or play with your macros. If it's an emotional thing, determine the trigger and see what you can do to prevent that in the future. Talk to a professional if you need to - it can be a VERY helpful thing
Best wishes.
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Yes that was bad however, get right back on the bandwagon don't beat yourself up. I binge every once in awhile1
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I'm just curious what exactly you ate that was that much calorie.
You are like many who binge eat, you simply feel bad at the wrong time! Next time you should feel bad immediately when food is brought in front of you. That will make a difference.
I don't binge, but my friends and I lately love to eat at Korean grill buffet. We usually stay for over 3 hours!
I like to eat enough to cover the next 2, 3 meals but it's not possible. Everything seems gone the next day. LOL.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »I'm just curious what exactly you ate that was that much calorie.
You are like many who binge eat, you simply feel bad at the wrong time! Next time you should feel bad immediately when food is brought in front of you. That will make a difference.
I don't binge, but my friends and I lately love to eat at Korean grill buffet. We usually stay for over 3 hours!
I like to eat enough to cover the next 2, 3 meals but it's not possible. Everything seems gone the next day. LOL.
Yes an enormous difference- it would foster an even more unhealthy relationship with food
OP I can go obscenely over maintenance if I want to, I am a human trash compactor I swear to God. I agree with the PP'S that suggest addressing the root issue here8 -
JessicaMcB wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »I'm just curious what exactly you ate that was that much calorie.
You are like many who binge eat, you simply feel bad at the wrong time! Next time you should feel bad immediately when food is brought in front of you. That will make a difference.
I don't binge, but my friends and I lately love to eat at Korean grill buffet. We usually stay for over 3 hours!
I like to eat enough to cover the next 2, 3 meals but it's not possible. Everything seems gone the next day. LOL.
Yes an enormous difference- it would foster an even more unhealthy relationship with food
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
OP, I'm not sure about your situation but I totally recognize that lack of control around food, regardless of the calorie count. It's worth it to look into this and get some outside help to figure out what is causing you to binge.
Take care of yourself.
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The weight gain might not show up the next day. But don't be surprised if you show a gain of a couple pounds in a week or 2. I often fluctuate 1-2 lbs per day, which can mask a gain or loss.4
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The same way you can be in a deficit and gain (but still have lost fat) due to water fluctuations you are able to do the opposite. If you are over maintenance you are gaining fat. It's doubtful your deficit was over 8k/week so I would think that although your relationship with gravity hasn't changed you have stored fat. I agree with the first poster about addressing why you're overeating to that extent before I worried about 1lb of fat tho3
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endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
Anorexia doesn't just affect slim people. In fact, with all the pressure on overweight people to lose it, I wouldn't be surprised if it affects more overweight/obese people than already slim - it's just ignorance like this that leads to it going undiagnosed.
You can be 400lbs and anorexic, all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake to the point of eating barely anything in an attempt to lose weight.7 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
Yes, I have known multiple people who have had different manifestations of eating disorders during their lives, from binge eating to over-restricting and vice versa. An unhealthy relationship with food can take many different forms during someone's life.
It's also pretty common to binge because someone was too restrictive with their food in the first place. A lot of diets fail because people are too gung-ho in the beginning and then give up, eat too much and feel terrible. It's a vicious cycle.
Edited to add: I know there is a difference between crash dieting and anorexia. Just wanted to point out that I have know diagnosed anorexics who were formerly overweight, and vice versa.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
Anorexia doesn't just affect slim people. In fact, with all the pressure on overweight people to lose it, I wouldn't be surprised if it affects more overweight/obese people than already slim - it's just ignorance like this that leads to it going undiagnosed.
You can be 400lbs and anorexic, all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake to the point of eating barely anything in an attempt to lose weight.
I honestly don't understand the last paragraph. Anything i have ever read about anorexia is that they are incredibly skinny and at a very low bmi. I'm not saying it's not true.. but anorexic at 400lbs? Malnourished maybe...
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endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
Yep, one of those right here. Went from overweight to 97lbs before I recovered. Took me two years to fully recover from 3 years of anorexia, and it is quite common for those recovering anorexia to develop binge eating disorder (like I did).
So I'm now 143lbs again, technically overweight, and am here instead to help me lose that weight. But it is hard. It's all too easy to slip back into bad habits, even now, and I find that it can get to the stage where I am too controlling and will slip back into eating a days worth of calories over an entire week. But I'm really trying to keep a healthy mindset and not go back there.
So yes, it is possible, and an unhealthy relationship with food - feeling bad about eating - has seriously damaging consequences, mentally and physically, for years even after recovery. Really not the sort of advice anyone should be giving out IMO.4 -
Christine_72 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
Anorexia doesn't just affect slim people. In fact, with all the pressure on overweight people to lose it, I wouldn't be surprised if it affects more overweight/obese people than already slim - it's just ignorance like this that leads to it going undiagnosed.
You can be 400lbs and anorexic, all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake to the point of eating barely anything in an attempt to lose weight.
I honestly don't understand the last paragraph. Anything i have ever read about anorexia is that they are incredibly skinny and at a very low bmi. I'm not saying it's not true.. but anorexic at 400lbs? Malnourished maybe...
Anorexia is a mental illness. Being underweight is one of the criteria for diagnosis, though experts are coming to the view that it shouldn't be. The feeling in the field is that if there was less emphasis on "You can't be anorexic, you're not skinny" there would be much earlier intervention and people wouldn't end up dangerously underweight before being taken seriously and receiving treatment. Someone can have all the mental components of anorexia and not be skinny... yet. It just means that they haven't been sick long enough for it to show.11 -
Christine_72 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
Anorexia doesn't just affect slim people. In fact, with all the pressure on overweight people to lose it, I wouldn't be surprised if it affects more overweight/obese people than already slim - it's just ignorance like this that leads to it going undiagnosed.
You can be 400lbs and anorexic, all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake to the point of eating barely anything in an attempt to lose weight.
I honestly don't understand the last paragraph. Anything i have ever read about anorexia is that they are incredibly skinny and at a very low bmi. I'm not saying it's not true.. but anorexic at 400lbs? Malnourished maybe...
Anorexia is not a body type description, it's an illness with specific symptoms that pertain to disordered food intake and management. Many people do end up looking very thin, but even these people may have been normal or overweight at the beginning of their illness. It's just that eating disorders are often discovered and diagnosed after people are already neck deep into the disorder and start showing worrying body weight signs. Overweight people are often encouraged to lose weight, so when they do, not many suspect anorexia.5 -
In theory yes but in reality a certain amount will even out over the week. Just draw a line under it. It happens to everyone - well me anyway
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You are missing the bigger picture here. Binging is not normal behavior so make sure to address as a priority.2
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So yes, it is possible, and an unhealthy relationship with food - feeling bad about eating - has seriously damaging consequences, mentally and physically, for years even after recovery. Really not the sort of advice anyone should be giving out IMO.
Sigh. Seems like a lot of things are possible these days. I would think the basic of deterring an adverse behavior is to recall its consequence. That's how kids are taught, how people function and shape their behaviors. No one is going around automatically knowing mistakes. It just seems ridiculous to leap from doing something so basic to the extreme as an disorder. People are quick to label everything as unhealthy relationship. Heck, counting can be very neurotic and OCD prone but I don't see all the screaming.
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Learning from mistakes is fine. I think the thing people are worrying about is this: "Next time you should feel bad immediately when food is brought in front of you" as that seems unhealthy and dangerous. Thinking about what you eat doesn't mean you have to feel bad about food when it's there. Maybe it works for some but it seems like a very unhealthy relationship with food to feel bad when it appears.
I certainly don't feel bad whenever food is put in front of me and if I did I do not think it would help me on a healthy journey at all, and yes I have overeaten massively on some days. I don't think making myself feel bad when food appears would help at all with that and that is the statement people worry about.1 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »
So yes, it is possible, and an unhealthy relationship with food - feeling bad about eating - has seriously damaging consequences, mentally and physically, for years even after recovery. Really not the sort of advice anyone should be giving out IMO.
Sigh. Seems like a lot of things are possible these days. I would think the basic of deterring an adverse behavior is to recall its consequence. That's how kids are taught, how people function and shape their behaviors. No one is going around automatically knowing mistakes. It just seems ridiculous to leap from doing something so basic to the extreme as an disorder. People are quick to label everything as unhealthy relationship. Heck, counting can be very neurotic and OCD prone but I don't see all the screaming.
There is a big difference between "feeling bad" about the food itself, and being aware of the consequences of overeating it. The first attaches negative feelings to food, the second connects an action to its consequences. If I calmly decide that eating 5000 calories over maintenance is worth it (that would be extremely rare in my case, if ever) I would need to go in fully knowing what would happen and having a plan of action in mind to counteract the effects. What usually happens in my case is that I decide gaining weight is not worth it, and that going up to maintenance or slightly over is more than good enough.
From OP, it's obvious something is not right. She is already feeling bad. What she describes already has the nuances of binge eating or other issues that may need to be dealt with. Making her feel fearful of food is not the best advice to someone who is already on shaky grounds with food. The best advice would be to stop focusing on the calories she consumed and to focus on seeking help if she suspects that she has an eating disorder, that would be the priority, not the food.7 -
Adding the calories at the end of the week gives you a better picture overall. You have to let go of the past and pick yourself up again. Keep doing the best you can.0
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Jadedinosaur wrote: »Learning from mistakes is fine. I think the thing people are worrying about is this: "Next time you should feel bad immediately when food is brought in front of you" as that seems unhealthy and dangerous. Thinking about what you eat doesn't mean you have to feel bad about food when it's there. Maybe it works for some but it seems like a very unhealthy relationship with food to feel bad when it appears.
I certainly don't feel bad whenever food is put in front of me and if I did I do not think it would help me on a healthy journey at all, and yes I have overeaten massively on some days. I don't think making myself feel bad when food appears would help at all with that and that is the statement people worry about.amusedmonkey wrote: »
There is a big difference between "feeling bad" about the food itself, .
This is why I said people are quick to judge. I didn't say "feel bad about food".
Specifically I meant instead of feeling bad the next day, which is basically useless, feel bad the moment when you are about to commit the behavior.
Quoting is supposed to help.
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Jadedinosaur wrote: »I certainly don't feel bad whenever food is put in front of me and if I did I do not think it would help me on a healthy journey at all, and yes I have overeaten massively on some days. I don't think making myself feel bad when food appears would help at all with that and that is the statement people worry about.
Well, that doesn't mean much though as my experience is completely opposite and I'm not seeing any adverse effect other than the positive result that I could control my eating behavior very well.
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You still ate the calories, even if you didn't gain weight. You might just gain in 2 weeks instead, or not lose that week. What you eat doesn't have a direct repercussion on the scale... but the calories don't disappear.
About the feeling bad thing... I'd still be over 200 lbs if I didn't feel bad when I overeat. It's not necessarily unhealthy...1 -
Okay, feel bad *when food is in front of you*. About what? Eating in general? Only if you put too much in front of yourself? I do try to remember that overeating will not get me what I want long term and remember the consequences of overeating (bloating, feeling bad), but that doesn't mean I feel bad every time I sit down with my lunch to eat it.0
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