Forget BMI
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The Body Volume Index BVI has been developed as an alternative to BMI that better measures obesity and predict health outcomes regardless of body composition.
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No android version?2
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The measurement is essentially a ratio comparing your total body volume to the volume of your abdomen, a measurement that can be taken manually or using an app.
this is it in a nutshell...just another number to tell us we are fat or we aren't fat...Yah.6 -
Other than the 10% or so people who are in the overweight/obese range that are truly muscular, I'm pretty sure this new measure and BMI will give directionally similar results.16
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Just look in the mirror and take an honest look at yourself.11
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BMI is a pretty damn good indicator.... and it doesn't need an apple only app.10
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BMI tells me I'm fat.2
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BMI works for me!
I've been within my normal BMI range almost my entire life ... just stepped out of it very briefly 3 times.3 -
trigden1991 wrote: »Just look in the mirror and take an honest look at yourself.
Is that app available on Android though?6 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Other than the 10% or so people who are in the overweight/obese range that are truly muscular, I'm pretty sure this new measure and BMI will give directionally similar results.
You don't have to be all that muscular to be obese/overweight as an average height male and have a 39.9 or lower waist.
2 years ago at 255 lbs I had a 39 inch abdominal circumference. I'm 71 inches tall.2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Other than the 10% or so people who are in the overweight/obese range that are truly muscular, I'm pretty sure this new measure and BMI will give directionally similar results.
You don't have to be all that muscular to be obese/overweight as an average height male and have a 39.9 or lower waist.
2 years ago at 255 lbs I had a 39 inch abdominal circumference. I'm 71 inches tall.
If that's you in the avatar and it isn't Photoshop, I would say that equals pretty strong/muscular.1 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »BMI tells me I'm fat.
no BMI does not tell you that...
it tells you one of a couple thing
underweight
normal weight
overweight
obese
morbidly obese
if it tells you that you are overweight and you don't think so one of two things is going on.
You are an outlier or you need to reevaluate what you are seeing.11 -
Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Other than the 10% or so people who are in the overweight/obese range that are truly muscular, I'm pretty sure this new measure and BMI will give directionally similar results.
You don't have to be all that muscular to be obese/overweight as an average height male and have a 39.9 or lower waist.
2 years ago at 255 lbs I had a 39 inch abdominal circumference. I'm 71 inches tall.
If that's you in the avatar and it isn't Photoshop, I would say that equals pretty strong/muscular.
Yes, it's me, no there's no photographic trickery(well almost none... It was more of a sweep to touch my navel and then recovery to 2 hands vs an extended static hold) IF you look closely you can see a little bit of blur on my hand in motion
But that's a party trick, and involves mostly balance... vs strength, although there is certainly a core strength component.
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trigden1991 wrote: »Just look in the mirror and take an honest look at yourself.
Is that app available on Android though?
Yes.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mmapps.mirror.free&hl=en4 -
That is interesting; thanks for posting. My husband is one for whom BMI is off. He's been losing weight and does still have a bit more to lose but nothing like BMI would indicate. I also just looked at the measurements we last took for him (he's lost a bit more since then) and waist was 39.75" even though he's now right on the border between "obese" and "overweight" per BMI.
I don't have time to research this more right now, but anyone know for this if waist measurement they're going by is the narrowest point between rib cage and hips, or belly button level? My belly button definitely migrated lower thanks to pregnancy so now that measurement is pretty close to my hip measurement. BMI is 20.1 now, true waist is 28.5" but belly button level "waist" measurement is right around 35".1 -
macchiatto wrote: »That is interesting; thanks for posting. My husband is one for whom BMI is off. He's been losing weight and does still have a bit more to lose but nothing like BMI would indicate. I also just looked at the measurements we last took for him (he's lost a bit more since then) and waist was 39.75" even though he's now right on the border between "obese" and "overweight" per BMI.
I don't have time to research this more right now, but anyone know for this if waist measurement they're going by is the narrowest point between rib cage and hips, or belly button level? My belly button definitely migrated lower thanks to pregnancy so now that measurement is pretty close to my hip measurement. BMI is 20.1 now, true waist is 28.5" but belly button level "waist" measurement is right around 35".
The standard we use in the military is 2 fingers above the crest of the hip bone. A couple important components are standing upright. and using someone else to measure.. A stepstool is helpful so that the observer can ensure the tape is level. Also, for consistency... the measurement should be at the end of a "normal" exhalation... not an exaggerated one... and we normally take 3 measurements...
I'm not sure if the medical community uses a different location1 -
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »BMI tells me I'm fat.
no BMI does not tell you that...
it tells you one of a couple thing
underweight
normal weight
overweight
obese
morbidly obese
if it tells you that you are overweight and you don't think so one of two things is going on.
You are an outlier or you need to reevaluate what you are seeing.
BMI doesn't take in to account body fat vs muscle mass, so the number is utterly meaningless without understanding body composition.5 -
rianneonamission wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »BMI tells me I'm fat.
no BMI does not tell you that...
it tells you one of a couple thing
underweight
normal weight
overweight
obese
morbidly obese
if it tells you that you are overweight and you don't think so one of two things is going on.
You are an outlier or you need to reevaluate what you are seeing.
BMI doesn't take in to account body fat vs muscle mass, so the number is utterly meaningless without understanding body composition.
And what percent of the population is so muscular that the large ranges in the categories of BMI don't resonantly categorize most people.11 -
Packerjohn wrote: »rianneonamission wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »BMI tells me I'm fat.
no BMI does not tell you that...
it tells you one of a couple thing
underweight
normal weight
overweight
obese
morbidly obese
if it tells you that you are overweight and you don't think so one of two things is going on.
You are an outlier or you need to reevaluate what you are seeing.
BMI doesn't take in to account body fat vs muscle mass, so the number is utterly meaningless without understanding body composition.
And what percent of the population is so muscular that the large ranges in the categories of BMI don't resonantly categorize most people.
The correct answer is we really have no idea.6 -
It may categorise most, but it doesn't categorise everyone. So to say to a stranger that, because BMI tells them they are overweight when they are not, they are lying to themselves or have a skewed self image is ridiculous.
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