But I would have to add a HONEYBUN
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You are overweight because you probably 1) have wrecked your metabolism by undereating if you're monitoring properly (which I don't think you are - overweight people who stay overweight on 900 cals/day usually have a severe hormonal problem) & 2) aren't as active as you might think you are.
You need to monitor your cal intake to the gram and mouthful. When I make roasted veg even without oil, I can easily eat 400-800 cals depending on the type of veg and portion size. You need to weigh everything you eat.
If it turns out that you are undereating then you definitely should eat more (at this stage anything, can hone it down to macros when you start losing).
Either way get yourself into the gym to start cardio and weights.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Tried30UserNames wrote: »You could add a honeybun. I don't know what that is, but if it's something you like and it fits in your calorie/nutrition goals, why not eat it?
Haha it was an exaggeration. It's like a giant breaded thing that's coated in gooey sugar. Totally not subjecting myself to that malarkey.
Why not? Under eating is unhealthy. If a honeybun fits your cals and macros then it's not doing you any harm.
If someone is eating at around 900 calories adding 300 calories of a nutrient poor (i.e. junk food) isn't going to provide adequate nutrition.
The closer one is to the lower acceptable daily calorie amount, the more nutrient dense their diet needs to be for adequate nutrition.
Getting enough calories is just as important as nutrients.
Nothing was said about the OP being unable to obtain/afford any certain type of food. Sure getting enough calories is important, but if someone is eating 900 calories a day and wants to get to 1200 a nutrient poor item like honeybun would be one of the least preferred choices.
Don't you think a diet consisting of mainly nutrient dense foods is especially important as one adapts a lower calorie eating plan?
so if it comes down to a honey bun or nothing, then go with nothing? Still makes zero sense...
if the choice is under eating or poor nutrtion, poor nutrition is the better or the two poor choices..
Bro, work on your reading comprehension. Nothing was said about not having the ability to get nutrient dense food. I also acknowledged the need for sufficient calories.
My post you were quoting
Nothing was said about the OP being unable to obtain/afford any certain type of food. Sure getting enough calories is important, but if someone is eating 900 calories a day and wants to get to 1200 a nutrient poor item like honeybun would be one of the least preferred choices.
Don't you think a diet consisting of mainly nutrient dense foods is especially important as one adapts a lower calorie eating plan
If there are no restrictions medically or availability-wise do you think something more nutrient dense than a honeybun should fill in a calorie gap from 900 to 1200 calories?1 -
Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.0 -
nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
And that to you is a 'clean' diet?
Please take a multi vitamin seeing as you eat no fruit or veg.20 -
a decent food scale costs $15-$20 - its an investment that will payback 10 fold
400cal - you could have added like 6oz chicken to your lean cuisine; have some more greek yogurt (1/2 cup instead of 1/8 of a cup) - etc
what you are eating isn't healthy non sustainable in the long-run8 -
Oh dear... *facepalm*9
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nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
a food scale will cost you between $10-15, but i understand if you can't afford it. in the future it may be something worth the investment. without it you could be pretty far off in your intake. for example, 1/8 of a cup of yogurt is 2 tablespoons, and not heaping tablespoons. basically like 28 grams. tuna is usually listed as 2-2.5 servings per can, though drained i find it comes out to be slightly less. croutons if you're counting them out can be pretty off from the weighted version of a serving as well.
all that aside though, it really does seem like you're under eating by a lot if that's a typical day. if you're exercising on top of that you're way under eating.4 -
My mind boggles because I can't understand how anyone could be overweight eating so little. I definitely think you need to monitor better. You can buy a decent scale for 5-10 dollars.5
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nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
If you're truly wanting to eat a healthy number of calories and not just looking for validation of what you're doing, make some simple swaps with your food to get more calories each day.
Use sugar instead of zero calorie sweetener. Use yogurt with fat or mayo instead of non-fat Greek yogurt. Add a piece of toast or half a pita pocket with the tuna. Eat regular TV dinners, not diet TV dinners. Snack on something more substantial than an ice pop.
405 calories isn't a lot -- adding some nuts, potatoes, or chocolate (these are just examples) would help you close the gap. I don't know where you got the idea that a honeybun is the only way to get sufficient calories. If you truly are dedicated to eating at an unhealthfully low level, consider getting more nutrition in your foods. Eating very low calorie isn't good for you and it's even worse if you decide to skip vegetables.12 -
How about if instead of a honeybun you added some berries, eggs, brown rice, oatmeal, beans, broccoli, carrots, spinach, almonds, and so on, to your diet?10
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TavistockToad wrote: »
For real... that's like one meal for me lol8 -
nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
It's really interesting, that you scoffed earlier in the thread about the suggestion to eat the honeybun (which you brought up in the title of the thread) because it has a long ingredient list, and yet this is how you choose to fill your day? None of these things are particularly "clean". There isn't a single fruit or vegetable on your list. Also, this is not eating all day. 1/8 cup of yogurt? What is that, like 2 tbsp?
Have you taken the time to look at the list of calorie dense foods that @diannethegeek posted upthread?16 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »
For real... that's like one meal for me lol
My 6 year old eats more than that. And he's a picky eater.
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I've had accidental days like this. I am ravenous the next day.
And if you're scooping things out/putting things into cups then it's actually probably quicker to weigh. both in the measuring of the food and time saved washing up cups and spoons.
That said, 3lbs in 4 weeks suggests your deficit is somewhere a little under 500 calories a day, maybe a bit more or less depending on a bit more time to judge. Depending on your current weight/TDEE, this probably shows you are definitely eating more than you think.
But even if your intake is higher than what you're logging, the mentality around being okay with eating such low calories is a problem.5 -
I don't know about the calories or why you're not losing weight, but that is a very low-nutrient menu. You need to eat some more nourishing foods.nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
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VintageFeline wrote: »I've had accidental days like this. I am ravenous the next day.
And if you're scooping things out/putting things into cups then it's actually probably quicker to weigh. both in the measuring of the food and time saved washing up cups and spoons.
That said, 3lbs in 4 weeks suggests your deficit is somewhere a little under 500 calories a day, maybe a bit more or less depending on a bit more time to judge. Depending on your current weight/TDEE, this probably shows you are definitely eating more than you think.
But even if your intake is higher than what you're logging, the mentality around being okay with eating such low calories is a problem.
The bolded is a really good point. While I agree the OP is probably eating more than she thinks, based on her actual results - it is important for her to try to be more accurate and get a more reasonable understanding of her actual calorie intake, what kind of a deficit that represents, in order to also have a more accurate assessment of what maintenance calories would look like.
Believing that you have to eat below 800 calories in order to lose weight just perpetuates that belief that so many people have that they must starve themselves in order to lose - encouraging others who come to this site to also feel like they need to go unnecessarily low with calories in order to be successful.7 -
WinoGelato wrote: »nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
It's really interesting, that you scoffed earlier in the thread about the suggestion to eat the honeybun (which you brought up in the title of the thread) because it has a long ingredient list, and yet this is how you choose to fill your day? None of these things are particularly "clean". There isn't a single fruit or vegetable on your list. Also, this is not eating all day. 1/8 cup of yogurt? What is that, like 2 tbsp?
Have you taken the time to look at the list of calorie dense foods that @diannethegeek posted upthread?
Agreed. Like I said I ate low and "clean" in the beginning. Mainly because I was ignorant. No calling anyone else ignorant. Only myself. Anyways, I was eating like oatmeal for breakfast. Turkey sandwich on wheat bread with cucumbers on the side. Yogurt and fruit for snacks. Then dinner of mostly vegetables and small amount of protein.
And still I was weak and hair fell out. Not enough protein. Not enough calories. Just not enough period. I truly hope OP takes the advice. It sure is hard to get healthy hair, skin, nails and metabolism back once you abuse if for quite some time.2 -
nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
I'll repeat the key part of what I said initially:lemurcat12 wrote: »nicolepburgess91 wrote: »So, I'm finding it incredibly difficult to meet 1200 calories a day. I eat when I'm hungry and make healthy choices. I love oven roasted vegetables for lunch. And then I typically have a lean cuisine at night.... I typically cap off my days around 900 calories.... I've been at the same weight for almost a month!!
If you really think there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the logging, take your log to the doctor and explain what you have here.
If not, you probably are eating close to maintenance. We could check out the diary for ideas/suggestions if you opened it.
You know what would add some nutrients and calories? An avocado. Also, nuts, or maybe make a smoothie with some fruit and veg (which would be a REALLY good thing to add).
If that fills you so you cannot possibly eat more, you are in denial about what you are eating in addition or have a medical issue.7 -
nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
This is not "clean" by any defintion of "clean", most of these items in my house are considered junk food to be eaten every now and then, with the exception of lean cuisine (or anything similar) which I would not allow my kids to eat unless it was this or starve to death. Regardless of whether you are eating 700 or 7000 calories, this is extremely poor nutritionally!
I was expecting to see fresh vegetables, fruit and grilled meats in a supposedly "clean" diet!
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nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Okay for example. I ended my day yesterday at 795 calories.
Breakfast: chewy chocolate chip granola bar, coffee with 3 tsp of artificial sweetener. = 140
Lunch: one serving canned tuna, drained. 1/8 cup nonfat plain greek yogurt = 185 calories
Dinner: lean cuisine, spaghetti with meat sauce = 310
Snack: 3 servings of croutons (they're like chips to me) which was 120 calories.
Snack 2: large ice pop= 50 calories
I ate all day, had 6 bottles of water throughout the day. I was just full... I didn't want to eat anymore. I knew I could afford 405 calories and I legitimately searched for anything to reach that and couldn't even think to eat more.
HOWEVER, I did experience a "whoosh" on the scale this morning. It shows a 3 pound loss in 24 hours. This, after no changes for about 3 and a half weeks.
I understand the benefits of weighing foods. I could very well be eating more calories than I think. But I can't afford a decent food scale nor do I have time to weight everything I eat. I still don't believe I'm eating 400 more calories than I think I am.
This is not "clean" by any defintion of "clean", most of these items in my house are considered junk food to be eaten every now and then, with the exception of lean cuisine (or anything similar) which I would not allow my kids to eat unless it was this or starve to death. Regardless of whether you are eating 700 or 7000 calories, this is extremely poor nutritionally!
I was expecting to see fresh vegetables, fruit and grilled meats in a supposedly "clean" diet!
This is why the term needs to die a fiery death.18 -
These numbers don't add up. You say you've seen 3 pounds of loss in 3 weeks, right? That means you've created a deficit of about 10,500 calories, or 500 calories per day. If yesterday is truly representative of the entire 3 weeks, it would mean that your TDEE is 1300 calories. That's unlikely, unless you're very light, very old or very sedentary. If the one example day is truly accurately representative of all 3 weeks and you're not a 100-pound 70-year-old woman, based on your results you might want to see a doctor.
(If you're planning to continue eating that way, you might want to see a doctor anyway. The one example day you posted is super unbalanced and is going to lead to some kind of nutritional deficiencies eventually).2 -
I get the feeling you don't really want help since you're dismissing people's ideas. You have to make time for things that are important. Wake up 15 minutes earlier to weigh things, and save a little money or work an extra hour or two if you can to buy a food scale. Test your logging. You've also been told that it would be wise to add calories but you don't seem to want to accept that, despite most of the people here saying that. You have to ask questions with an open mind and a willingness to change if you want results, and to feel good.6
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TavistockToad wrote: »
I'd feel like dog poo and my energy level would free fall, leading to me becoming world's largest slug. I wonder if a decrease in NEAT plus some iffy logging is a lot of what's going on here.3 -
OP, what are your current stats (height, weight, etc.) and your goal weight?
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »nicolepburgess91 wrote: »Tried30UserNames wrote: »You could add a honeybun. I don't know what that is, but if it's something you like and it fits in your calorie/nutrition goals, why not eat it?
Haha it was an exaggeration. It's like a giant breaded thing that's coated in gooey sugar. Totally not subjecting myself to that malarkey.
Why not? Under eating is unhealthy. If a honeybun fits your cals and macros then it's not doing you any harm.
If someone is eating at around 900 calories adding 300 calories of a nutrient poor (i.e. junk food) isn't going to provide adequate nutrition.
The closer one is to the lower acceptable daily calorie amount, the more nutrient dense their diet needs to be for adequate nutrition.
Getting enough calories is just as important as nutrients.
Nothing was said about the OP being unable to obtain/afford any certain type of food. Sure getting enough calories is important, but if someone is eating 900 calories a day and wants to get to 1200 a nutrient poor item like honeybun would be one of the least preferred choices.
Don't you think a diet consisting of mainly nutrient dense foods is especially important as one adapts a lower calorie eating plan?
so if it comes down to a honey bun or nothing, then go with nothing? Still makes zero sense...
if the choice is under eating or poor nutrtion, poor nutrition is the better or the two poor choices..
Bro, work on your reading comprehension. Nothing was said about not having the ability to get nutrient dense food. I also acknowledged the need for sufficient calories.
My post you were quoting
Nothing was said about the OP being unable to obtain/afford any certain type of food. Sure getting enough calories is important, but if someone is eating 900 calories a day and wants to get to 1200 a nutrient poor item like honeybun would be one of the least preferred choices.
Don't you think a diet consisting of mainly nutrient dense foods is especially important as one adapts a lower calorie eating plan
If there are no restrictions medically or availability-wise do you think something more nutrient dense than a honeybun should fill in a calorie gap from 900 to 1200 calories?
I clearly stated my thoughts that OP should eat whatever gets her to, or over 1200, guess you did not read and comprehend that part....0 -
two things--the daily food intake that the OP posted is not even close to clean and second--I would be STARVING on that amount of food and kind of food. nothing on there is actually satisfying.4
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nicolepburgess91 wrote: »So, I'm finding it incredibly difficult to meet 1200 calories a day. I eat when I'm hungry and make healthy choices. I love oven roasted vegetables for lunch. And then I typically have a lean cuisine at night. I am pretty much sedentary except the occasional days of walking around the local town. I typically cap off my days around 900 calories. I refuse to eat 1 and a half hours before I go to sleep. I know I'm supposed to be at 1200, but I can't seem to reach it. I'm just not that hungry. And get this - I've been at the same weight for almost a month!! Tips and advice appreciated.
No one does not lose weight because they eat too little.5 -
Maxematics wrote: »If you've been the same weight for a month, I'm 99.9% certain your calorie intake isn't 900 per day.
Exactly.5 -
nicolepburgess91 wrote: »
Yeah...no.1
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