HIIT before or after lifting?
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Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
That is just false....
:huh:
No, it's basic physics. Seriously.
Yeah, exactly why it's false.....
You're literally saying, if me and you, lets say we have the exact same weight, and exact same muscle mass, and we are essentially the same person, except for the fact that you are extremely fit and I haven't ran in months. We go out to the track and run at a fairly solid comfortable pace for you, but I am absolutely killing myself because my heart rate is flying. You're saying at the end of the workout, we've just burned the same number of calories? Gotta be a joke....
Nope, physics. You did the same work..
Just like 5x2 @300kg is the same amount of work as 3x10 @100kg(same caloric burn)
Now, you won't get the same improvement in performance, but you'll burn the same calories.
In fact, if you're both 200 lbs, it doesn't matter particularly whether one of you runs 1 mile in 4 minutes and the other runs it in 9
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stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is you're doing less work running at 10.5 mph than you are running at 12 mph - per your example.
Do you disagree with that fundamental principle?0 -
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stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
On that, we agree.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is you're doing less work running at 10.5 mph than you are running at 12 mph - per your example.
Do you disagree with that fundamental principle?
honestly, That's the biggest reason why I prefer to do "running HIIT" on an elliptical trainer if I'm doing it inside. the other reason is it's more of a total body workload.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
And that is precisely where you are incorrect. Same heart rate, but less distance ran (due to the slower speed) = fewer Calories burned.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is you're doing less work running at 10.5 mph than you are running at 12 mph - per your example.
Do you disagree with that fundamental principle?
Yes your speed is quicker doing 12mph compared to 10.5 mph but if you heart rate is the exact same throughout, you have not burned any additional calories for going faster.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you do HIIT before lifting then how effective is your lifting? You think you can bench, squat, deadlift, OHP the same after a true HIIT session?3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you do HIIT before lifting then how effective is your lifting? You think you can bench, squat, deadlift, OHP the same after a true HIIT session?
Haha sorry! I meant to say after, not before, that's my bad.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories
Now, if your HIIT is distance based... say 100 meters or 220 meters, then you would be correct... But at some point you wouldn't be doing HIIT, because you'd be taking more than 30 seconds per work interval.
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stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories
Haha no, I do this multiple times a week post workout at 12 for 1min intervals.... It's a 5:00 mile.... Guys run that for a marathon....0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories
Now, if your HIIT is distance based... say 100 meters or 220 meters, then you would be correct... But at some point you wouldn't be doing HIIT, because you'd be taking more than 30 seconds per work interval.
Yeah, anyone can find those numbers online or on their treadmill..... Just like something saying someone biking at moderate intensity for 60 minutes burns 750 calories, the term moderate intensity is based off the persons heart rate as a percentage of their max heart rate. It's all based off your heart rate.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories
Now, if your HIIT is distance based... say 100 meters or 220 meters, then you would be correct... But at some point you wouldn't be doing HIIT, because you'd be taking more than 30 seconds per work interval.
Yeah, anyone can find those numbers online or on their treadmill..... Just like something saying someone biking at moderate intensity for 60 minutes burns 750 calories, the term moderate intensity is based off the persons heart rate as a percentage of their max heart rate. It's all based off your heart rate.
So you know that over time your cardiovascular system is getting more efficient and since you do it multiple times per week you should be doing it at a much higher speed than when you started?1 -
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
It matters, I'm not sure how much. With your example, probably not very much if running isn't what's important to you.
Heart rate = your body's reaction to the work you're doing + to many other factors. Lags power by up to 30 seconds.
Pace = a good approximation of your external workload if you're on flat ground w/o too much wind.
Pace is just a much better target, it's more objective, it's comparable from one day to the next, it's what matters if you're a runner, and it's instantaneous which is important for short intervals.Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed.
Not relevant in this particular case because HIIT is a terrible way to burn calories. It burns fewer cals than a moderate workout because of the rest, it demands more recovery time which can prevent large burns from LSD training. HIIT is a specific type of workout for fitness purposes.2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories
Now, if your HIIT is distance based... say 100 meters or 220 meters, then you would be correct... But at some point you wouldn't be doing HIIT, because you'd be taking more than 30 seconds per work interval.
Yeah, anyone can find those numbers online or on their treadmill..... Just like something saying someone biking at moderate intensity for 60 minutes burns 750 calories, the term moderate intensity is based off the persons heart rate as a percentage of their max heart rate. It's all based off your heart rate.
So you know that over time your cardiovascular system is getting more efficient and since you do it multiple times per week you should be doing it at a much higher speed than when you started?
Right, or on an incline because the treadmill I use doesn't go to 15.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
If you're running 10.5 or 12 mph after weight lifting, you're Usain bolt
NOPE!
If you run 30 seconds at 5 mph(12 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 6 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 6 mph(10 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 7.5 calories
If you run 30 seconds at 7 mph(8.5 minute mile) by 200 lb man you'll burn 8.5 calories
Now, if your HIIT is distance based... say 100 meters or 220 meters, then you would be correct... But at some point you wouldn't be doing HIIT, because you'd be taking more than 30 seconds per work interval.
Yeah, anyone can find those numbers online or on their treadmill..... Just like something saying someone biking at moderate intensity for 60 minutes burns 750 calories, the term moderate intensity is based off the persons heart rate as a percentage of their max heart rate. It's all based off your heart rate.
So you know that over time your cardiovascular system is getting more efficient and since you do it multiple times per week you should be doing it at a much higher speed than when you started?
And once your cardiovascular system gets more efficient, your heart rate lowers, meaning you're not burning as many calories, so in order to keep that constant, you must progress a variable to increase your heart rate.0
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