HIIT before or after lifting?
HvymetalMG
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I'm doing 25 minutes of HIIT 3x a week. Lifting 4x a week. Would you recommend doing HIIT before or after lifting?
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If you are doing them the same day and your goal is to gain weight you should put lifting first. If you're just doing HIIT and lifting for weight loss do whichever you want first. If you do a real HIIT session you shouldn't be able to lift after.
If you are doing them on different days you should alternate them.3 -
I would typically put any lifting before any sort of cardio. From a safety standpoint, you want to be freshest when you have weights on your back or over your head.2
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Packerjohn wrote: »I would typically put any lifting before any sort of cardio. From a safety standpoint, you want to be freshest when you have weights on your back or over your head.
pretty much this ^
if you're spent from HIIT training, your lifting form might suffer; poor form (as we all know) can lead to injury.
To the OP: Best of Luck
The only time I tackled cardio before weight training was when I was training for a marathon and the running was the true focus of my training. The lifting supplemented the running. At that time, my weight training wasn't heavy, like it is today, so I wasn't worried about injury.4 -
...If you do a real HIIT session you shouldn't be able to lift after...
^ That's the true takeaway message. If you're doing true HIIT (which most people aren't), you should be pretty thrashed after the workout. If you have enough left in the tank afterwards to lift, what you just did probably wasn't HIIT.
I also second doing HIIT on off days from weight training. And realize that it will probably impair your recovery from weight training to some degree, because the demands placed upon the body/CNS by HIIT and weight training are very similar.6 -
...If you do a real HIIT session you shouldn't be able to lift after...
^ That's the true takeaway message. If you're doing true HIIT (which most people aren't), you should be pretty thrashed after the workout. If you have enough left in the tank afterwards to lift, what you just did probably wasn't HIIT.
I also second doing HIIT on off days from weight training. And realize that it will probably impair your recovery from weight training to some degree, because the demands placed upon the body/CNS by HIIT and weight training are very similar.
This can't be reiterated sufficiently... done correctly HIIT and "weightlifting" have similar benefit, and similar drain on the body.
With a "heavy" lifting session, you might have 15-20 second Time under tension and 2-10 minutes rest/recovery. with HIIT, you're doubling your work time and decreasing your rest time. It seems "easier" at the time because it's typically body weight or other "light" work.
With a heavy lifting session your total work time may be 120-180 seconds(at the most) More likely 75-90 seconds
With HIIT, your work time will be 600-900 seconds.
Bottom line is if you're lifting correctly, and HIITing correctly, you won't be able to do them in the same session(and probably not in the same day) and if you do one or the other every day, within 6-8 weeks, you'll start to see consequences.1 -
I am never able to do them both effectively in the same day. If I do any cardio after lifting, it's low intensity, there's no way in hell I can do HIIT after leg workout3
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Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
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Maybe I am not doing it accurate at all
I am doin 3 minutes slow 2 minutes medium 1 all of sprint. Rinse repeat for 25 mins. Not HIIT?
I'm also at a weeks stage. I don't need to lose weight but I want to get toned and Lean hence lifting is very important so I'm not a stick figure. But I also don't want any flab in areas.
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Not HIIT..... But OK to do after lifting...1
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HvymetalMG wrote: »Maybe I am not doing it accurate at all
I am doin 3 minutes slow 2 minutes medium 1 all of sprint. Rinse repeat for 25 mins. Not HIIT?
I'm also at a weeks stage. I don't need to lose weight but I want to get toned and Lean hence lifting is very important so I'm not a stick figure. But I also don't want any flab in areas.
on a treadmill, or outside??
It might be HIIT, it probably isn't..0 -
HIIT and cardio is more effective after burning stores of blood sugar and glycogen when lifting. Lift to deplete the blood sugar so that your cardio sessions will be more effective at burning fat as a fuel.0
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HvymetalMG wrote: »Maybe I am not doing it accurate at all
I am doin 3 minutes slow 2 minutes medium 1 all of sprint. Rinse repeat for 25 mins. Not HIIT?
I'm also at a weeks stage. I don't need to lose weight but I want to get toned and Lean hence lifting is very important so I'm not a stick figure. But I also don't want any flab in areas.
Interval training.... Not HIIT. I'd do it after weights personally2 -
I do HIIT and I have nothing left to lift afterwards. I also don't know if I would want to lift heavy before HIIT. I guess I didn't help you very much
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Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
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Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.2 -
Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
That is just false....1 -
Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
That is just false....
:huh:
No, it's basic physics. Seriously.2 -
Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
That is just false....
:huh:
No, it's basic physics. Seriously.
Yeah, exactly why it's false.....
You're literally saying, if me and you, lets say we have the exact same weight, and exact same muscle mass, and we are essentially the same person, except for the fact that you are extremely fit and I haven't ran in months. We go out to the track and run at a fairly solid comfortable pace for you, but I am absolutely killing myself because my heart rate is flying. You're saying at the end of the workout, we've just burned the same number of calories? Gotta be a joke....0 -
Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
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stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.2 -
Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
That is just false....
:huh:
No, it's basic physics. Seriously.
Yeah, exactly why it's false.....
You're literally saying, if me and you, lets say we have the exact same weight, and exact same muscle mass, and we are essentially the same person, except for the fact that you are extremely fit and I haven't ran in months. We go out to the track and run at a fairly solid comfortable pace for you, but I am absolutely killing myself because my heart rate is flying. You're saying at the end of the workout, we've just burned the same number of calories? Gotta be a joke....
Nope, physics. You did the same work..
Just like 5x2 @300kg is the same amount of work as 3x10 @100kg(same caloric burn)
Now, you won't get the same improvement in performance, but you'll burn the same calories.
In fact, if you're both 200 lbs, it doesn't matter particularly whether one of you runs 1 mile in 4 minutes and the other runs it in 9
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stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is you're doing less work running at 10.5 mph than you are running at 12 mph - per your example.
Do you disagree with that fundamental principle?0 -
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stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
On that, we agree.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is you're doing less work running at 10.5 mph than you are running at 12 mph - per your example.
Do you disagree with that fundamental principle?
honestly, That's the biggest reason why I prefer to do "running HIIT" on an elliptical trainer if I'm doing it inside. the other reason is it's more of a total body workload.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
You're saying that increasing speed by 2mph is going to result in a slower heart rate?
I'm saying that if you do HIIT either before your workout, or on a day off from lifting fully recovered, you will be able to go faster at X heart rate compared to having to go slower post lifting to get to the same X heart rate; in turn burning the same amount of calories at two different speeds, with the same heart rate.
And that is precisely where you are incorrect. Same heart rate, but less distance ran (due to the slower speed) = fewer Calories burned.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Personally I think HIIT (real HIIT, not Marketing Dept. HIIT) and heavy weight training are a really poor match.
Both put stress on your body and both need recovery time.
Do them alternate days and where's the recovery time?
Do them in the same workout period and whatever you do second has been compromised by what you did first - where's the quality of training?
Should question yourself what exactly are you hoping to gain from your workouts, what's your priority?
What should you do to maximise the benefits of your workouts in relation to your goals.
The difference in mind-set between "exercising" and "training" if you like.
I agree, your goals are important.
But what's wrong with doing HIIT post workout? What does it matter the actual speed you are going so long as your heart rate reaches a specified zone? Doesn't really matter if you are sprinting at 12mph pre-lift/off lifting day, or going 10.5mph post workout, if your heart rate still reaches the same levels.
HIIT for weight loss isn't about setting new speeds and getting faster, its about getting your heart rate to a specified level. If you are training for performance, obviously it's different.
Except Cals aren't determined by heart rate - they're determined by work performed. Running at 12 mph is more work performed than running at 10.5 mph - for the same time. As such, HIIT performed at a lower speed will burn fewer Cals than HIIT at a higher speed - regardless of heart rate.
Which is true, but the purpose of HIIT is to stress and extend your ability to perform at or beyond the training threshold.
IOW, go for 90 seconds vs 45 seconds.
The assumption is that you can already perform at a certain level... the goal is to perform longer at that level. Assuming proper recovery, doing Fatigued HIIT still successfully stresses your anaerobic and aerobic capacity.
Sure, but the assertion that it's burning the same - or more - Cals, is incorrect.
This is crazy; so if we're working out and your heart rate is steady at 140 and mine is holding at 170, we're burning the same amount of calories if we're going the same speed? That's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is you're doing less work running at 10.5 mph than you are running at 12 mph - per your example.
Do you disagree with that fundamental principle?
Yes your speed is quicker doing 12mph compared to 10.5 mph but if you heart rate is the exact same throughout, you have not burned any additional calories for going faster.0
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