cant even eat fruit?
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My doctor put me on a diet! No sugars at all I'm addicted to banannas so it was hard to give up all fruit. I was having trouble loosing weight and I didn't know why. I was working out 6 times a week and eating "HEALTHY" according to me lol. Every morning for breakfast I had a protein shake with banannas and strawberries or other days almond milk and eggs.
First month on the diet (low carbs, no sugars, no dairy) I lost 15 pounds. First week was HARD that weekend I ate pizza, ice-cream and flan it was DELICIOUS so I GAINED 3 pounds that's when it really hit me!
I've been eating only the foods my doctor allows me to eat and I do try to have at least a piece of fruit once a week so I wont go all crazy craving sugar. I've been on this for 7 weeks and lost a total of 21 pounds.
SUGAR can be bad but everyones body reacts different.
I would recommend a new DR or second opinion...if your "diet" is causing you to binge on the weekend that is not a good thing...
Extreme blood sugar highs and lows can cause this uncontrollable need to eat, whether or not you need to. This has nothing to do with your diagnosis, rather more to *your* body's particular reaction to what you eat, in both volume & quality.
I'll hazard a guess at PCOS, IR or PreD. If any of these are the case, then keeping blood sugar stable will go a long way to keeping you from needing to eat lots of food.
The only time I'd ever had trouble controlling my appetite was when my BG was either in the 180's or rocketing towards the 70's.0 -
Unless you have an underlying medical condition, if it fits your nutrition goals for a day, go for it.
I worry the most about added sugars, like white sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
this! for you
not this! for me, but that's okay. Vive la difference.0 -
Unless you have an underlying medical condition, if it fits your nutrition goals for a day, go for it.
I worry the most about added sugars, like white sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
That's the thing, the body cannot distinguish between the two. Sugars occur naturally--they're made by plants through the process of photosynthesis--but they can also be made "artificially" by chemically modifying starches. Regardless of whether a sugar comes from nature or from the lab, your body processes it absolutely identically.
The last quote is spot on, your liver can't tell the difference and your liver can only hold so many sugar grams before the rest will get stored as fat.
Just because fruit is healthy doesn't mean it's a free food. And those smoothies aren't really that healthy for you because you are absorbing all the sugar since the fiber has been removed.
I get hammered every single time I recommend watching sugar levels, both natural and added but tracking sugar is important and trying to stay as close to MFP goals as possibles.
The biggest reason I say track and watch is because most of us got overweight from choosing sweets or savoury foods. I know it's the calorie count that matters most but if sugar was your downfall then tracking sugar is more important to you. Tracking is a learning tool. I do agree that MFP sugar levels are low but I believe that 50 grams a day is the recommended amount each day for all types of sugar.
Ultimately, each person should do their own research and not rely soley on a forum. Your decision should be based on scientific fact and not someone like me or someone saying don't track.0 -
My dad lost a huge amount of weight and he ate a lot of fruit. He went to his doctor and his blood sugar levels were elevated. He was told he was eating too much fruit and to cut back a little. My dad was not a happy camper- he thought he was doing great having lost over 70lbs and loved his fruit- he did eat a lot in a day.
Everything in moderation- even fruit. Don't be afraid to eat it but stick to the recommended daily servings and you will be fine.
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Turns out fruits have sugar I'm them... so it it really bad to eat more than two bananas a day? Should I worry about the sugar limit with fruits?
Yeah...all the fat people got fat 'cuz too much fruit....it was too many cherries, not the cherry coke.
The MFP recommendation for sugar = the WHO's recommendation for ADDED/REFINED sugar. I would suggest tracking something else...and enjoy your fruit. I have a good 3 servings per day...lots of vitamins and minerals and antioxidants.0 -
Eat fruit if you want. If you think sugar doesn't matter, then do your thing. For me, the sugar matters so I limit fruit. I enjoy being healthy and eating more than a serving of fruit per day (usually berries) makes me unhealthy. I get all those nutrients from vegetables instead.
It's up to you. I don't care if you eat fruit and everything is great. What I hate is when someone is eating tons of sugar/fruit posts a "I can't lose weight" thread and when I offer my experience I get flamed by a hundred "sugar doesn't matter if it's from fruit" MFP members. For some of us, it does matter.0 -
No, don't worry about sugar from fruit. This is from my nurse/dietician....
Fruit does affect bloodsugar in the same way as added sugars (sugar is sugar is sugar). However, the difference is that fruit also contains fiber and vitamins/minerals/antioxidants--all of which benefit your body and the fiber can help slow the release of the sugar directly in to your bloodstream. We like to suggest pairing fruit with lean proteins (nuts, low-fat plain yogurts, seeds, etc) to further help slow the release.0 -
Unless you have an underlying medical condition, if it fits your nutrition goals for a day, go for it.
I worry the most about added sugars, like white sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
I agree with this. The sugar limit in MFP should be read to limit refined sugars and hfcs, not natural sugars in fruit.0 -
Right on. Sugar turns to fat. Go easy with fruit, learn to love it in small amounts.It especially bothers me with fruit...I see people having fruit smoothies with every meal and then complaining that they can't lose any weight...well DUH. If you're consuming an entire day's worth (and then some) of fruit 3x a day you're not going to lose anything. What is fruit full of? Sugar. What does sugar do? Turn into fat. Even if it's healthy sugar, too much of it is still going to turn into fat. But people don't seem to realize this because they've been brainwashed to believe that if it's healthy, more must be better.
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My doctor put me on a diet! No sugars at all I'm addicted to banannas so it was hard to give up all fruit. I was having trouble loosing weight and I didn't know why. I was working out 6 times a week and eating "HEALTHY" according to me lol. Every morning for breakfast I had a protein shake with banannas and strawberries or other days almond milk and eggs.
First month on the diet (low carbs, no sugars, no dairy) I lost 15 pounds. First week was HARD that weekend I ate pizza, ice-cream and flan it was DELICIOUS so I GAINED 3 pounds that's when it really hit me!
I've been eating only the foods my doctor allows me to eat and I do try to have at least a piece of fruit once a week so I wont go all crazy craving sugar. I've been on this for 7 weeks and lost a total of 21 pounds.
SUGAR can be bad but everyones body reacts different.
I would recommend a new DR or second opinion...if your "diet" is causing you to binge on the weekend that is not a good thing...
The binge was ONE weekend... and it seems like this person has an excellent doctor. Better than most, who don't have a clue on nutrition and metabolic disorders. Did you miss the part where this person is doing VERY WELL on a low sugar lifestyle???
I had binge eating disorder, a psychological disorder supposedly. I am miraculously cured by having a ketogenic lifestyle (which I love cuz I'm no longer sick at all). Hint: I was malnourished from a high grain/sugar diet. Changing WHAT I eat made all the difference in the world. Just because you don't have experience with these kinds of challenges, doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.0 -
Unless you have an underlying medical condition, if it fits your nutrition goals for a day, go for it.
I worry the most about added sugars, like white sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
That's the thing, the body cannot distinguish between the two. Sugars occur naturally--they're made by plants through the process of photosynthesis--but they can also be made "artificially" by chemically modifying starches. Regardless of whether a sugar comes from nature or from the lab, your body processes it absolutely identically.
Please read the rest of the thread and the explanations other users have posted before you post...
That's the thing, the forum cannot distinguish between the two. Posts occur naturally--they're made by Posters through the process of digital manipulation of the key array--but they can also be made "artificially" by copypasta. Regardless of whether a post comes from typing or from copypasta, your forum processes it absolutely identically.
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Sorry but isn't the main difference between "good" and "bad" sugar when it comes to weight loss the sugar-to-kcal ratio?
If I eat 100g banana, that has 21g sugar but only 105kcal.
If I eat a KitKat chunky (48g) that has 20g sugar but 247kcal because of the fat and what else is in there.
Ergo the ratio has changed significantly.
So bananas over chocolate bar because 105-to-21 is better than 247-to-20.
Not really because you could have something that is low in cals but has HFCS in it or something that is higher in calories but is sweetened with honey.
I would go for the higher calorie/honey sweetened foodie over the low cal HFCS sweetened one.
Sound logic since HFCS is so evil0 -
Yes, because everyone is here because we got fat eating too much fruit.
Moderation, OP, moderation.
Sugar is not the debil.0 -
The last quote is spot on, your liver can't tell the difference and your liver can only hold so many sugar grams before the rest will get stored as fat.
lolwut? :indifferent:0 -
I don't keep track of sugar on here. For me it is calories, protein, carbs, fat, fiber, sodium. Takes care of the whole sugar problem! LOL0
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Having a balanced diet is best. Natural sugar in fruit is not the problem. It all the process foods like peanut butter and spaghetti sauce. If you need to watch the sugar, try veggies!
Bananas are nature's cookies.0 -
#1 Keep in mind that not all entries in the food database are accurate
#2 Think about your time before MFP, what would you think if someone told you they were not going to eat fruit because the sugar content outweighed the nutritional value.
#3 Everything in moderation, eat fruit, don't eat 15 servings a day but don't eliminate it completely 2-4 servings is probably a good average (remember the good ol food pyramid?)0 -
please refer to the other 7 billion topics about this subject0
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curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
Fructose can only be handled by the liver. Recent research is finding out more and more about how fructose is linked to things like non-alcohol-related fatty liver disease, high triglycerides, etc. Glucose is digested differently from fructose. Table sugar is approximately 1/2 fructose/1/2 glucose.
Here's a news article reporting some of the recent findings: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fructose-overeating-obesity-brain-imaging-_n_2395413.html
If you want some more links to the science let me know, but meanwhile this lecture will give you a good intro to the endocrinology: http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717
And, no matter what the MFP naysayers or the corn industry would have you believe, this is not bro-science and it is not just one scientist.0 -
#3 Everything in moderation, eat fruit, don't eat 15 servings a day but don't eliminate it completely 2-4 servings is probably a good average (remember the good ol food pyramid?)
Or consider this visual, The Healthy Eating Plate: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/files/2013/04/HEPApr2013.jpg0 -
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
Fructose can only be handled by the liver. Recent research is finding out more and more about how fructose is linked to things like non-alcohol-related fatty liver disease, high triglycerides, etc. Glucose is digested differently from fructose. Table sugar is approximately 1/2 fructose/1/2 glucose.
Here's a news article reporting some of the recent findings: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fructose-overeating-obesity-brain-imaging-_n_2395413.html
If you want some more links to the science let me know, but meanwhile this lecture will give you a good intro to the endocrinology.
And, no matter what the MFP naysayers or the corn industry would have you believe, this is not bro-science and it is not just one scientist.
Huff post is a lol source. Do you have anything to back up your claim?
Some recent 2012/2013 studies:
HFCS not linked to fatty liver disease
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/apnm-2012-0322#.UaPWA5G9KSN
Metabolic and behavioral effects of a high-sucrose diet during weight loss.
www.ajcn.org/content/65/4/908.full.pdf
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism0 -
Of course you can eat fruit. It's natural and good for you. Some fruits are better than others of course....
Thank you so very much for this picture. I can't stop laughing. I boss just asked "Are you okay back there?"0 -
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
Fructose can only be handled by the liver. Recent research is finding out more and more about how fructose is linked to things like non-alcohol-related fatty liver disease, high triglycerides, etc. Glucose is digested differently from fructose. Table sugar is approximately 1/2 fructose/1/2 glucose.
Here's a news article reporting some of the recent findings: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fructose-overeating-obesity-brain-imaging-_n_2395413.html
If you want some more links to the science let me know, but meanwhile this lecture will give you a good intro to the endocrinology: http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717
And, no matter what the MFP naysayers or the corn industry would have you believe, this is not bro-science and it is not just one scientist.
No, but these studies are specifically discussing drinking fructose-laden beverages or consuming a diet consisting of extremely high proportions (over 50% in the ones I reviewed) of fructose -- not of consuming fruits as a reasonable proportion of your diet. (which MFP's sugar counter doesn't allow, if you're trying to stay under their numbers).0 -
Unless you have an underlying medical condition, if it fits your nutrition goals for a day, go for it.
I worry the most about added sugars, like white sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
That's the thing, the body cannot distinguish between the two. Sugars occur naturally--they're made by plants through the process of photosynthesis--but they can also be made "artificially" by chemically modifying starches. Regardless of whether a sugar comes from nature or from the lab, your body processes it absolutely identically.
The last quote is spot on, your liver can't tell the difference and your liver can only hold so many sugar grams before the rest will get stored as fat.
Just because fruit is healthy doesn't mean it's a free food. And those smoothies aren't really that healthy for you because you are absorbing all the sugar since the fiber has been removed.
I get hammered every single time I recommend watching sugar levels, both natural and added but tracking sugar is important and trying to stay as close to MFP goals as possibles.
The biggest reason I say track and watch is because most of us got overweight from choosing sweets or savoury foods. I know it's the calorie count that matters most but if sugar was your downfall then tracking sugar is more important to you. Tracking is a learning tool. I do agree that MFP sugar levels are low but I believe that 50 grams a day is the recommended amount each day for all types of sugar.
Ultimately, each person should do their own research and not rely soley on a forum. Your decision should be based on scientific fact and not someone like me or someone saying don't track.
Can someone clarify on the smoothies-I thought if you put fresh fruit/veggies in a blender and made a smoothie the fiber is still there? Isn't juicing the process where the fiber is removed? Those are two totally different machines/drinks.0 -
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Unless you have an underlying medical condition, if it fits your nutrition goals for a day, go for it.
I worry the most about added sugars, like white sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
That's the thing, the body cannot distinguish between the two. Sugars occur naturally--they're made by plants through the process of photosynthesis--but they can also be made "artificially" by chemically modifying starches. Regardless of whether a sugar comes from nature or from the lab, your body processes it absolutely identically.
The last quote is spot on, your liver can't tell the difference and your liver can only hold so many sugar grams before the rest will get stored as fat.
Just because fruit is healthy doesn't mean it's a free food. And those smoothies aren't really that healthy for you because you are absorbing all the sugar since the fiber has been removed.
I get hammered every single time I recommend watching sugar levels, both natural and added but tracking sugar is important and trying to stay as close to MFP goals as possibles.
The biggest reason I say track and watch is because most of us got overweight from choosing sweets or savoury foods. I know it's the calorie count that matters most but if sugar was your downfall then tracking sugar is more important to you. Tracking is a learning tool. I do agree that MFP sugar levels are low but I believe that 50 grams a day is the recommended amount each day for all types of sugar.
Ultimately, each person should do their own research and not rely soley on a forum. Your decision should be based on scientific fact and not someone like me or someone saying don't track.
Can someone clarify on the smoothies-I thought if you put fresh fruit/veggies in a blender and made a smoothie the fiber is still there? Isn't juicing the process where the fiber is removed? Those are two totally different machines/drinks.
Sorry, meant juicing but a smoothie would still be high in sugar due to all the fruit in it.0 -
So many opinions with little to no results to back.
The issue is really confusing for those of us who are non-scientists yet are trying to keep up with the latest findings. The cutting edge scientists are divided on whether to role of fructose in the obesity epidemic is different from other carbohydrate consumption.
There is no downside to limiting your fructose consumption. There may be downsides to excess fructose consumption. The corn industry (aka the high fructose corn syrup industry) is heavily invested in promoting the safety of fructose and has influence on some scientists and supports a good deal of research. They, of course, are only interested in publicizing research that supports the safety of fructose.
Many times science finds new information that changes what we in the public "know as true." We should think of these complex things not as being true or false but rather as being known or unknown, certain or uncertain to various degrees.
I am an educated non-scientist who has decided, through reading some of the recent research, to err on the side of caution and keep my fructose consumption to a minimum. But there are leading endocrinologists on both sides of this issue just as physicists do not all agree on string theory and chemists and physicists differ on their approaches to cold fusion.0 -
curious how the body distinguishes between fruit from sugar and white sugar?
It doesn't.0 -
Of course you can eat fruit. It's natural and good for you. Some fruits are better than others of course....
...but overall they are very healthy and good for you. I eat 4-5 servings a day and have lost quite a bit of weight.
As for the question about how the body can tell the difference between fruit sugar and processed stuff:
HAHAHAHAH @ the banana!0 -
I eat fruit each and every day. I only go without if I am travelling long distances for work.
Also, my daily sugar allowance is usually over due to fruit, and it hasn't hindered my weight loss.
same here... i am always over on sugar do to fruits but have lost 80 lbs since january so figure it is not a bad thing!0
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