Why is bread the enemy?

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  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    cerise_noir wrote: »
    fatblatta wrote: »
    I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
    And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.

    Their post:
    thewindandthework wrote: »
    I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.

    But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?

    Yours:

    fatblatta wrote: »
    As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.

    https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

    Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.

    OP clarified the low carb part...

    I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.

    I'm sorry your father is ill.

    It's actually ketosis, and the use of MCTs, which is a treatment currently being tested and starting to be used for dementia. Not just low carb. The book, What if there is a Cure? explains it.
    http://coconutketones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/whatifcure.pdf
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,389 MFP Moderator
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    nvmomketo wrote: »
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    fatblatta wrote: »
    I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
    And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.

    Their post:
    thewindandthework wrote: »
    I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.

    But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?

    Yours:

    fatblatta wrote: »
    As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.

    https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

    Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.

    OP clarified the low carb part...

    I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.

    I'm sorry your father is ill.

    It's actually ketosis, and the use of MCTs, which is a treatment currently being tested and starting to be used for dementia. Not just low carb. The book, What if there is a Cure? explains it.
    http://coconutketones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/whatifcure.pdf

    It should also be noted that one cant just do ketogenic. Its in conjunction with a variety of other things to slow the advancement of alzheimers. There is medication and cognitive therapies on top of ketogenic.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    psuLemon wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    fatblatta wrote: »
    I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
    And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.

    Their post:
    thewindandthework wrote: »
    I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.

    But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?

    Yours:

    fatblatta wrote: »
    As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.

    https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

    Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.

    OP clarified the low carb part...

    I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.

    I'm sorry your father is ill.

    It's actually ketosis, and the use of MCTs, which is a treatment currently being tested and starting to be used for dementia. Not just low carb. The book, What if there is a Cure? explains it.
    http://coconutketones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/whatifcure.pdf

    It should also be noted that one cant just do ketogenic. Its in conjunction with a variety of other things to slow the advancement of alzheimers. There is medication and cognitive therapies on top of ketogenic.

    So True.
  • dragon_girl26
    dragon_girl26 Posts: 2,187 Member
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    Sunna_W wrote: »
    I am very finicky about how my bread is made and where the ingredients come from.

    Much of the wheat in the US is GMO / Monsanto / Roundup derived.

    Ref: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/

    I make my own bread with non-GMO / non-Monsanto / non-Roundup wheat that is processed in a factory that doesn't contain wheat that is GMO / Monsanto / Roundup derived.

    (It's expensive and I don't eat a lot of bread for that reason.)

    I do love bread, though, all kinds of it... so it's a bit sad.

    When I eat wheat pasta I eat it in small amounts imported from Italy where GMO / Monsanto / Roundup is banned.

    GMO wheat is not currently grown for commercial use in the US.

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/wheat/background/

    From the U.S. Wheat Supply paragraph:
    "In addition, U.S. food processors are wary of consumer reaction to products containing genetically modified (GM) wheat, so no GM wheat is commercially grown in the United States."
  • fatblatta
    fatblatta Posts: 333 Member
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    ha ha. I said I wasn't getting into it. LCHF has believers and non-believers. The non-believers are a ferocious bunch that has to have it their way. As a serial dieter, who's been losing and gaining weight for 40 years, I can tell you LCHF has cured some medical stuff for me. It's 100 times more enjoyable and sustainable, for me than high carb, low fat, restricted calorie. If that's what you like, wonderful for you. Many of the other diets I've used required limiting bread. Or you ate crap like 1 egg white on a piece of dry toast. Restricted calorie diets restrict bread. A medical diet like Medifast, no bread. The first diet I ever did 40 years ago, no bread. Atkins, no bread. Keto, no bread. Weight watchers, some bread. But I bet it would have to be low fat, low taste, low carb to be low in points. I wouldn't know about weight watchers.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,948 Member
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    Analysis paralysis.

    Eat bread, don't eat bread.

    It's not the enemy. It's bread. Some can have it, some can not, life's not fair.

    Get over it already...
  • fatblatta
    fatblatta Posts: 333 Member
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    J72FIT wrote: »
    Analysis paralysis.

    Eat bread, don't eat bread.

    It's not the enemy. It's bread. Some can have it, some can not, life's not fair.

    Get over it already...

    What? A sense of reason? Blasphemy on MFP : )
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    snickerscharlie wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    fatblatta wrote: »
    As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.

    https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

    Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.

    1) Authority Nutrition is a junk science website.


    2) Science shows that fat restriction is more effective than carbohydrate restriction for fat loss:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26278052

    Low carbohydrate diets increase cortisol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367

    Ketogenic diets have no metabolic advantage: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/

    Low-carb diets have no effect upon weight loss: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/

    Keto diets do not result in more fat loss than isocaloric non-keto diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27385608/

    You must keep a folder of links for times like this. :D

    The authority nutrition link is to 23 other peer reviewed studies.

    All that was said was that many heath professionals now believe a LCHF diet is s better option to treat obesity and and other chronic western diseases. That's true. My doctor recommended it too.

    It was not said that LCHF lowers cortisol, that keto has a metabolic advantage, or that keto results in more fat loss. I do think a LCHF diet can be used to achieve weight loss though - it's a fine tool.

    Exactly the same as any other diet that has you in a caloric deficit. :)

    Depending on your health needs and beliefs, certainly.
  • ProfessorPupil
    ProfessorPupil Posts: 76 Member
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    Bread is not the enemy, and neither is cake or Mcdonald's. You have a budget. You spend it as you will, just like with money. You pay your bills, and then you get some money for entertainment. You spend your calories on food that will keep you full, satisfied, and preferably provide things that are good for your body. Then you spend whatever you have leftover on cake or something. Bread is fine as long as you don't blow your entire wad on bread and then you're still hungry.
  • metz723
    metz723 Posts: 1 Member
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    Hey, bread as well as any other food group is not the enemy. This type of mindset can lead to an unhealthy relationship to foods. Its essentially calories in and calories out, however keep in mind certain macronutrient ratios will improve satiety throughout the day.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,220 Member
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    fatblatta wrote: »
    ha ha. I said I wasn't getting into it. LCHF has believers and non-believers. The non-believers are a ferocious bunch that has to have it their way. As a serial dieter, who's been losing and gaining weight for 40 years, I can tell you LCHF has cured some medical stuff for me. It's 100 times more enjoyable and sustainable, for me than high carb, low fat, restricted calorie. If that's what you like, wonderful for you. Many of the other diets I've used required limiting bread. Or you ate crap like 1 egg white on a piece of dry toast. Restricted calorie diets restrict bread. A medical diet like Medifast, no bread. The first diet I ever did 40 years ago, no bread. Atkins, no bread. Keto, no bread. Weight watchers, some bread. But I bet it would have to be low fat, low taste, low carb to be low in points. I wouldn't know about weight watchers.

    There were lots of replies by people who do not do low carb that were far ferocious. The same statement can be made about people who follow low carb and insist that their method is superior. As I stated and many others have stated, there's no one right way. You only look at the overly negative posts, you should consider reading all the replies.

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