Going Plant-Based is the New Prescription, Says Nation’s Leading Physicians
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http://www.organicauthority.com/going-plant-based-is-the-new-prescription-says-nations-leading-physicians/
Unsure if I qualify @ 7 servings of fruits / veggies a day.
“A number of mainstream medical groups now endorse vegetarian (or vegetarian-ish) diets, including the American Cancer Society, the American Institute for Cancer Research, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and, over protests from the meat industry, the USDA group that issues dietary guidelines,” reports Mother Jones. “In 2014, the American College of Cardiology elected its first ever vegan president, Dr. Kim A. Williams. In 2013, Kaiser Permanente, the nation’s largest healthcare network, asked its physicians to suggest a plant-based diet to their patients. Just this week, the American Medical Association passed a resolution recommending that hospitals offer patients non-meat meals.”
Unsure if I qualify @ 7 servings of fruits / veggies a day.
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I tend to go by the teeth we have evolved over millions of years as my guide. Most of our teeth are for grinding and chewing plants...so yes majority of food should be plant based. But we also have incisors and canines for tearing into meat...so some food should be animal based.
I do think consumption of meat in the First World is way more than it should be though so a shift to more plants in our diet is a good thing. But eliminating meat completely is more of a personal choice than a requirement for health.7 -
Having doctors suggest a plant-based diet to patients and offering a choice of non-meat meals while in the hospital sounds perfectly reasonable. It's not like going plant-based means vegan or even vegetarian, just means making more plant food choices and less animal-based ones. And it's about time hospitals give patients a choice of non-meat meals. There should be better quality food overall, meat or non-meat, in hospitals.7
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But we also have incisors and canines for tearing into meat...so some food should be animal based.
... and our ancestors were toasted by 30-35.
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But we also have incisors and canines for tearing into meat...so some food should be animal based.
... and our ancestors were toasted by 30-35.
I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with the fact that they ate meat...
Many people really do not eat enough fruits and veg and need to eat more...but that doesn't mean that one can't have a healthy diet that includes meat, poultry, and fish. People need to be more active too...5 -
Lol, you mean modern medicine has nothing to do with our longer life spans?But we also have incisors and canines for tearing into meat...so some food should be animal based.
... and our ancestors were toasted by 30-35.
Not against a plant based diet, but there's no issue with having a moderate amount of meat in the diet either.
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Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
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As Michael Pollan said: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. I see no reason why that shouldn't work.
The number one risk factor for both heart disease and cancer is age. We would see more people dying of those diseases now simply because we're living longer, even if we had no bad habits at all contributing to them.Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).6 -
The number one risk factor for both heart disease and cancer is age.
Cancer is often a lottery and yes has more probability as we age.
I don't think that it is true for heart disease. There are places in the world that it is rare even at 70-80 yo and those men have 110/70 blood pressure.
In both cases, we know that lifestyle has a direct impact, specially plant-based diets.1 -
I don't think that it is true for heart disease.
It doesn't matter what you think; it's a fact. http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20188499,00.html http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/HeartAttack/UnderstandYourRiskstoPreventaHeartAttack/Understand-Your-Risks-to-Prevent-a-Heart-Attack_UCM_002040_Article.jsp#.WUsYrnp1HRE
My grandmother is my n=1 example. She died of heart failure at 88 years old, with no other risk factors applying.
There are in fact no places in the world where it's rare. Cardiovascular disease (e.g. ischaemic heart disease and strokes) are the world's top killers. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/ Both remain major killers even in economically disadvantaged places where infectious disease is more dangerous.0 -
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I don't think that it is true for heart disease.
It doesn't matter what you think; it's a fact. http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20188499,00.html http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/HeartAttack/UnderstandYourRiskstoPreventaHeartAttack/Understand-Your-Risks-to-Prevent-a-Heart-Attack_UCM_002040_Article.jsp#.WUsYrnp1HRE
My grandmother is my n=1 example. She died of heart failure at 88 years old, with no other risk factors applying.
Bad interpretation.
People with bad habits will maintain their total cholesterol high, above 150 and damage their vascular system as they age.
If they did the right thing, it wouldn't be so.
Meet centenarian and retired heart surgeon Ellsworth Wareham, a vegan of 102yo.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2015/04/08/exp-human-factor-dr-ellsworth-wareham.cnn
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I don't think that it is true for heart disease.
It doesn't matter what you think; it's a fact. http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20188499,00.html http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/HeartAttack/UnderstandYourRiskstoPreventaHeartAttack/Understand-Your-Risks-to-Prevent-a-Heart-Attack_UCM_002040_Article.jsp#.WUsYrnp1HRE
My grandmother is my n=1 example. She died of heart failure at 88 years old, with no other risk factors applying.
Bad interpretation.
People with bad habits will maintain their total cholesterol high, above 150 and damage their vascular system as they age.
If they did the right thing, it wouldn't be so.
Meet centenarian and retired heart surgeon Ellsworth Wareham, a vegan of 102yo.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2015/04/08/exp-human-factor-dr-ellsworth-wareham.cnn
None of us come out of this alive anyway.11 -
Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?7
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Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?
the point is , where you want it or not and no matter the age, when total cholesterol is very low (like 150 or less), cardiac disease is very rare.
very low total cholesterol won't happen to typical meat eaters. this is why I keep my consumption low.
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Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?
the point is , where you want it or not and no matter the age, when total cholesterol is very low (like 150 or less), cardiac disease is very rare.
very low total cholesterol won't happen to typical meat eaters. this is why I keep my consumption low.
I'm not sure what you mean by "typical" meat eaters. Maybe people who eat a lot more meat than doctors recommend? I eat meat daily, and my cholesterol is very low.2 -
Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?
the point is , where you want it or not and no matter the age, when total cholesterol is very low (like 150 or less), cardiac disease is very rare.
very low total cholesterol won't happen to typical meat eaters. this is why I keep my consumption low.
I eat meat, my cholesterol is low. Your point is invalid.4 -
Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?
the point is , where you want it or not and no matter the age, when total cholesterol is very low (like 150 or less), cardiac disease is very rare.
very low total cholesterol won't happen to typical meat eaters. this is why I keep my consumption low.
I'm not sure what you mean by "typical" meat eaters. Maybe people who eat a lot more meat than doctors recommend? I eat meat daily, and my cholesterol is very low.
Actual north american guidelines call for a total cholesterol of max. 200.
We know that about 1/3 of victims with cardiac disease have it with-in the range of 150-200. Cardiac diseases not due to a predisposition is near non-existent for people with less than 150.
This is why many are pushing that this guideline of 200 is still too high.0 -
Eating meat daily is one thing. Eating red meat or pork for 5 of them is definitely unhealthy. If 5 days out of 7 are fish, chicken, and shellfish...huge difference.
I personally could never stomach eating meat more than 3 days per week, but that's because I'm mostly grossed out by it, not because I think it's deadly.0 -
You said nothing to support that point at all.Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?
the point is , where you want it or not and no matter the age, when total cholesterol is very low (like 150 or less), cardiac disease is very rare.
very low total cholesterol won't happen to typical meat eaters. this is why I keep my consumption low.
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My doctor, a Kaiser physician, recommended red meat a few times a week and all the iron rich plants and supplements weren't bringing up my iron levels enough. I'm good now.
Though I also eat a lot of veggies and some fruit every day as well.4 -
I don't think that it is true for heart disease.
It doesn't matter what you think; it's a fact. http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20188499,00.html http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/HeartAttack/UnderstandYourRiskstoPreventaHeartAttack/Understand-Your-Risks-to-Prevent-a-Heart-Attack_UCM_002040_Article.jsp#.WUsYrnp1HRE
My grandmother is my n=1 example. She died of heart failure at 88 years old, with no other risk factors applying.
Bad interpretation.
People with bad habits will maintain their total cholesterol high, above 150 and damage their vascular system as they age.
If they did the right thing, it wouldn't be so.
Meet centenarian and retired heart surgeon Ellsworth Wareham, a vegan of 102yo.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2015/04/08/exp-human-factor-dr-ellsworth-wareham.cnn
My great grandma was a centenarian. She ate meat daily, along with eggs, cows milk, etc. I don't remember her having much seafood living in an isolated area in the middle of the US.2 -
Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?
Since when is a vaccine a treatment? I would rather rank those preventive measures otherwise than a treatment, but I'll give you that.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?
Since when is a vaccine a treatment? I would rather rank those preventive measures otherwise than a treatment, but I'll give you that.
It's preventative treatment that saves lives...I mean really?
People used to die all the time from things we now are vaccinated for...
Have you never been given an antibiotic? Those save countless lives too...2 -
Yeah, yeah. And I can point to thousands of older non-vegans. So what?
the point is , where you want it or not and no matter the age, when total cholesterol is very low (like 150 or less), cardiac disease is very rare.
very low total cholesterol won't happen to typical meat eaters. this is why I keep my consumption low.
I eat meat, poultry, fish, etc...my cholesterol used to be really high...it's in the optimal range now for both LDL and HDL...likely because I also eat a lot of veg and fruit and exercise regularly...0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?
Since when is a vaccine a treatment? I would rather rank those preventive measures otherwise than a treatment, but I'll give you that.
If a lifetime of modern preventative medicine (and controlling infectious diseases on a societal level) has kept you from ever needing treatment for an illness, I would say that is a huge statement about how modern medicine has probably increased your lifespan.11 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?
Since when is a vaccine a treatment? I would rather rank those preventive measures otherwise than a treatment, but I'll give you that.
It's preventative treatment that saves lives...I mean really?
People used to die all the time from things we now are vaccinated for...
Have you never been given an antibiotic? Those save countless lives too...
You are getting it wrong. Antibiotics came late in the game (since late 40s-50s), so does large scale vaccination.
The dramatic increase of lifespan started before.
I am not against modern medicine or anything (my dad was a doctor), but I believe that, since thousands of year and particularly in the last 200 years, increasing the lifespan has more to do with basic hygiene and drinkable [treated] water.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?
Since when is a vaccine a treatment? I would rather rank those preventive measures otherwise than a treatment, but I'll give you that.
It's preventative treatment that saves lives...I mean really?
People used to die all the time from things we now are vaccinated for...
Have you never been given an antibiotic? Those save countless lives too...
You are getting it wrong. Antibiotics came late in the game (since late 40s-50s), so does large scale vaccination.
The dramatic increase of lifespan started before.
I am not against modern medicine or anything (my dad was a doctor), but I believe that, since thousands of year and particularly in the last 200 years, increasing the lifespan has more to do with basic hygiene and drinkable [treated] water.
Penicillin came into play in 1928.
In 1900 the average life expectancy for a white male was 47 years...in 2000 it was 75...but sure, advancements in medicine have nothing to do with that...
herp derp....3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Modern medicine has not much to do with longer life spans....hygiene and processed water did. I am near 50 but was never treated medically
Most of modern medicine are required to process illness by bad habits anyway (most of heart, diabete and possibly cancer conditions are).
Meat eater here... (but not much)
Never had a vaccine? Never lived in a community with herd immunity because of widespread vaccination? Your mother gave birth to you in a cave or field with no medical assistance? She received no prenatal care? Never had a tetanus shot? Never used a topical antibiotic or antiseptic on a cut?
Since when is a vaccine a treatment? I would rather rank those preventive measures otherwise than a treatment, but I'll give you that.
It's preventative treatment that saves lives...I mean really?
People used to die all the time from things we now are vaccinated for...
Have you never been given an antibiotic? Those save countless lives too...
You are getting it wrong. Antibiotics came late in the game (since late 40s-50s), so does large scale vaccination.
The dramatic increase of lifespan started before.
I am not against modern medicine or anything (my dad was a doctor), but I believe that, since thousands of year and particularly in the last 200 years, increasing the lifespan has more to do with basic hygiene and drinkable [treated] water.
Penicillin came into play in 1928.
In 1900 the average life expectancy for a white male was 47 years...in 2000 it was 75...but sure, advancements in medicine have nothing to do with that...
herp derp....
In 1930, average life expectancy for a white male was 60 yo, that was BEFORE vaccins and penicillin. So from 47 (your number) to 60, that is a drastic improvement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin
"Penicillin was discovered in 1928 by Scottish scientist Alexander Fleming.[3] People began using it to treat infections in 1942."
Two different things.
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