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  • rjel78
    rjel78 Posts: 102 Member
    I am seeking options on the medication he gave and what people have thought of it, no more no less. I realize that people on the internet are not experts, I would have to be an idiot to think that. The $4 million dollars was a joke. I was simply stating that everyone's body is different and would react different to certain exercises and medication. I was just seeking advice on the medication mentioned in the beginning, and again, I know people on the internet are no experts. I just wanted to get a sense of the medication through people on a forum like this, who weren't doctors
  • Sunna_W
    Sunna_W Posts: 744 Member
    We can't see your food log nor do we know anything about other health conditions, therefore we're just guessing what you're doing and why you are gaining. However, I would ditch the diet sodas and substitute seltzer water that you put a slice of fruit or a herb leaf or a vegetable in for flavor.
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,645 Member
    One of the first steps in getting a $4 mil weight loss surgery (heh) is losing weight on your own through calorie restriction. You'll have to do it one way or the other. The pills might help you, but they work by making you want to eat fewer calories. Then you have to stop taking it and will have to restrict calories on your own even if you feel like eating a whole house.

    Whatever you choose, good luck.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,097 Member
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I am seeking options on the medication he gave and what people have thought of it, no more no less. I realize that people on the internet are not experts, I would have to be an idiot to think that. The $4 million dollars was a joke. I was simply stating that everyone's body is different and would react different to certain exercises and medication. I was just seeking advice on the medication mentioned in the beginning, and again, I know people on the internet are no experts. I just wanted to get a sense of the medication through people on a forum like this, who weren't doctors

    To the extent that this is true, why would someone else's experience with the medication be more valuable than the advice of your doctor, who has a much better chance of knowing in what ways you might react to the medication than strangers on the Internet. For instance, your doctor would be more likely to know if you are taking other medications or have other medical complications for which the medication is counterindicated or not.
  • seska422
    seska422 Posts: 3,217 Member
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I do not have endurance and am unemployed so I cannot afford surgery. I do have a good scale, log my food,etc. also he did briefly discuss the side effects but doctors say a lot of things so I want a non-doctors opinion on this. I have tried different things, including switching up foods and exercise and nothing is really working, or not as fast as I want it too. I only drink 2 diet sodas a week now, as everything else is either water or coffee. This is not like I did not make an attempt and was lazy, my body is different than others so what I did may have made others lose 40 lbs. I really want this weight off but I'm struggling right now.
    Give up on the timeline of losing quickly. Losing slowly is still a loss. If you can lose a pound a week, you'll be down 52 pounds by this time next year. That's much better than the slow upward creep you have now. Weight loss is a marathon, not a sprint. The weight loss period lets you practice for the maintenance period, which lasts forever and doesn't have the positive feedback of seeing yourself drop pounds.

    People don't all have the exact same calorie burns throughout the day, BMR or TDEE, even with the same stats. It's a range and you take what the online calculators give you as a starting point and then figure out your personal numbers. I have a lower-than-average BMR and don't burn as many calories from exercise as Fitbit says I should. So what? That doesn't mean that I can't lose weight, it just means that I don't lose at the estimated rate. I've lost about 130 pounds over the past 28 months or so. It might take me another year to lose 10-15 more pounds to reach my ultimate goal.

    2000 calories would be a bounty for me. I ate at about 1350 for a couple of years and it's looking like my maintenance will be around 1550. Such is life if I really want to maintain my weight loss.

    Don't abandon your plan when it doesn't work quickly or in the weight loss amounts that you want. Follow the process consistently over time and you'll lose weight over time.
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  • WendyLeigh1119
    WendyLeigh1119 Posts: 495 Member
    rjel78 wrote: »
    1.I do not have endurance and am unemployed so I cannot afford surgery.
    2. I do have a good scale, log my food,etc. also he did briefly discuss the side effects but doctors say a lot of things so I want a non-doctors opinion on this.
    3.I have tried different things, including switching up foods and exercise and nothing is really working, or not as fast as I want it too.
    4. I only drink 2 diet sodas a week now, as everything else is either water or coffee.
    5. This is not like I did not make an attempt and was lazy, my body is different than others so what I did may have made others lose 40 lbs. I really want this weight off but I'm struggling right now.

    1. You will lose weight simply by a calorie deficit. You don't need to exercise to lose weight

    I think he meant that he doesn't have "insurance" not "endurance".

  • Poisonedpawn78
    Poisonedpawn78 Posts: 1,145 Member
    I am sorry OP but if you gained 5lbs of fat ( not water weight or food weight ) then you are not weighing your food on a scale or logging properly. you are leaving something out or making guesses.

    What kind of time line are we talking about here that you are getting impatient with in losing weight that would have been 40lbs to other people? what are your daily calorie averages for the last few months? We need more information to help you.
  • rjel78
    rjel78 Posts: 102 Member
    I am logging things properly but occasionally I will go over my calories. I gained 5 lbs since I last seen him 6 months ago. I've been trying to lose weight for years but I'm saying everyone is different so people may lose weight quicker than me, with doing what I'm doing. Between 2,000-2500 is what I aim for
  • seska422
    seska422 Posts: 3,217 Member
    edited July 2017
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I am logging things properly but occasionally I will go over my calories. I gained 5 lbs since I last seen him 6 months ago. I've been trying to lose weight for years but I'm saying everyone is different so people may lose weight quicker than me, with doing what I'm doing. Between 2,000-2500 is what I aim for
    That's true but irrelevant. You are you and they are them. You have your body to work with, not theirs. Don't worry about quick, worry about end results.

    There will be days when you are on-point with your calories and days where you aren't. When you have a day (or better yet, meal) where you eat more calories than your plan allows, jump right back onto your plan.

    You can do this!
  • Poisonedpawn78
    Poisonedpawn78 Posts: 1,145 Member
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I am logging things properly but occasionally I will go over my calories. I gained 5 lbs since I last seen him 6 months ago. I've been trying to lose weight for years but I'm saying everyone is different so people may lose weight quicker than me, with doing what I'm doing. Between 2,000-2500 is what I aim for

    how often is occasionally and are you going over by a lot? Is that the calorie goal MFP gave you?
  • rjel78
    rjel78 Posts: 102 Member
    I go over about once a week on average and it depends on what is happening that day, if I'm busy or not. MFP gave me 3,300 calories but I try to stick to 2,00 which is what my doctor gave me
  • Poisonedpawn78
    Poisonedpawn78 Posts: 1,145 Member
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I go over about once a week on average and it depends on what is happening that day, if I'm busy or not. MFP gave me 3,300 calories but I try to stick to 2,00 which is what my doctor gave me

    How much time between weighing yourself with that deficit? It is pretty aggressive so you should be seeing results if you are actually sticking to it. Remember that for every calorie you go over your goals you need to subtract that from your weekly target. A "cheat meal" could wipe out all of your progress if its a binge.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    edited July 2017
    everher wrote: »
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I am logging things properly but occasionally I will go over my calories. I gained 5 lbs since I last seen him 6 months ago. I've been trying to lose weight for years but I'm saying everyone is different so people may lose weight quicker than me, with doing what I'm doing. Between 2,000-2500 is what I aim for

    You asked for opinions and I will give you my honest opinion.

    The only way to lose the weight is to eat less calories than you burn on a consistent basis. Other people can't do that for you. Weight loss surgery and pills can't do that for you. Only you can control what you put into your mouth. Weight loss surgery and pills come with severe risks and side effects and either way it goes you have to restrict how much you eat. It's not a magic answer. There is no magic answer.

    If you really want to lose the weight you have to be committed to it. You can't "aim" between a certain range or go over your calories frequently or log haphazardly. I know you say (and think) you are logging everything accurately and perhaps you are, but if so then you know you are eating more than you should and that's why you've gained weight over the last six months and not lost anything. Gaining five pounds in six months means you are eating slightly above maintenance. You need to cut back by at least 500 calories a day just to see a slow, but steady loss.

    If you want to lose the weight either go by the calories MFP has given you or your doctor has given you and stick to them. Everyone has a bad day now and then, but going over your calories consistently will wipe out your deficit.

    As for your logging, make sure you are double checking entries in the MFP database to make sure they are showing the correct nutritional information. Log solids in grams not in ounces. Weigh meat before cooking. Make sure you are logging the oil and butter you use in your food and make sure you are weighing/measuring them as well.

    Log everything consistently and accurately and stay within your calories and you will lose weight.

    cutting out 500 calories will work if he eats the 3300 MFP gave him so that would give him 2800 calories. but being at his weight, if he only eats 2000 then that would bring him down to 1500 and that may be too aggressive for him. to lose a lb a week its 500 calories. less than your TDEE(maintenance).but I agree he either needs to eat what mfp gave him or what the dr stated and then go from there.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    I disagree @kshama2001 - why would you suggest he eat more? 2000 was his doctor's recommendation and he can get plenty of nutrition on that. 3300 is just delaying the inevitable. The only reason to eat that much is as a step-down process. He's not exercising. He's more than 200 pounds over weight.

    From his other thread, 2,000 didn't sound sustainable for him. I frequently gross 2000 calories and I imagine I am at least 200 pounds less than him, older, and shorter. And female. I think overly aggressive calorie goals are a recipe for burnout and binging.

    Since he's struggling, I think he should shoot for losing two pounds per week even if he could safely lose faster.
  • MichelleSilverleaf
    MichelleSilverleaf Posts: 2,027 Member
    I would get that doctor to recommend you to a dietician. He/she may be able to help in the nutrition department better than your doctor.
  • brznhabits
    brznhabits Posts: 126 Member
    Here's what you are missing.

    Even if you take drugs or have surgery you still have to change your habits, else you be right back here in 5-10 years. I can't speak to the drug but I can to surgery. It can be a successful part of a life change but the life change needs to be a full plan not just quick fix. So either way you need to learn how to manage CICO.
  • cmtigger
    cmtigger Posts: 1,450 Member
    rjel78 wrote: »
    I do not have endurance and am unemployed so I cannot afford surgery. I do have a good scale, log my food,etc. also he did briefly discuss the side effects but doctors say a lot of things so I want a non-doctors opinion on this. I have tried different things, including switching up foods and exercise and nothing is really working, or not as fast as I want it too. I only drink 2 diet sodas a week now, as everything else is either water or coffee. This is not like I did not make an attempt and was lazy, my body is different than others so what I did may have made others lose 40 lbs. I really want this weight off but I'm struggling right now.

    Why would you trust a stranger on the internet more than a doctor with medical training who has your medical history.

    It's hard to lose weight, it is. None of us are any different there. It's work. You need to figure out how to restrict your calories and stick to it. It takes dedication and willpower. A lot of willpower.

    I'm guessing your doctor wants you to lose some weight right now. That's what the meds are for.
  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    Do you cook your own food or does your wife cook for you. Or, do you eat from the drive-thru?
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