WTF?
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Do a little research on the "Set Point Theory". http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2253845
As much as we like to think that weight loss/weight gain is directly correlated to calories in vs calories out, in truth, the body has self regulating mechanisms. Over the short term, when the body senses a shortfall of energy/calories, it down regulates metabolism in order to maintain it's desired "set point". After a while, as long as it isn't experiencing a severe energy deficit, the body will recognize the new normal of your calorie intake and create a new "set point". Nobody is really sure how the body determines what its set point is but that's why weight loss or weight gain comes in series of hills and plateaus.
I would also agree with others that severe under consumption of calories throws the body off and it goes in to a serious storage mode...meaning it will start sacrificing muscle and storing fat.0 -
you need to read through the forum everyday. take a few minutes..and you'll learn a lot. like eating 1200 calories and exercising like you are.. will stall you flat.
you are working hard..which is great..now work smart.. EAT MORE and lose.
I love you for that statement!!0 -
1) as everyone else has told you, you need to up your calories. Regardless, it has only been a month. Not a lot happens the first month for lots of people.
2) glycogen. You're retaining it.
3) cut back on the cardio a little. Maybe subtract 1 cardio day and add 1 strength day. And keep the intensity up.
4) you only have 18 pounds you want to lose and you're not overweight. 2 pounds a week is overly ambitious and will probably result in more muscle loss than fat loss. You don't want to lose more than .5 - 1 pound a week at your weight and size.
5) I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're aiming for body recomposition (a little more lean, less fat), which means you need to set your macros for this goal. Protein at a minimum 1 g/lb lean body mass and fat at .35/lb body weight. I aim for 1 g/lb body weight in protein, and I've seen real results this year. I don't know your weight to give your gram estimates on this, but fix your macros. Fats and proteins are good. Carbs are too. Balance them.
Hope that you are able to make movement over the next month.0 -
According to your ticker you only have 18lbs to lose. In that case your weekly goal should not be 2lbs but 0.5lbs. You are not eating nearly enough for the amount you have left to lose and the amount of activity you are doing.
Looking at your diary you are eating far too little. You are starving your body but expecting it to respond the way you want it to. You need to fuel your body. With how little you are consuming you are losing muscle.0 -
Listen to Pepperworm. She knows what's up.0
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I'm so used to the 1980s high school idea of starving to lose weight that it was really hard for me to up my calories. This week, in fact, I was scared that I had eaten way too much. I would check MFP, see that I needed to consume X amount of calories, and then I'd go eat, thinking the whole time that this cannot be right. But, I got on the scale this morning, and it was three pounds down! Of course, my scale goes up and down like a roller coaster. However, I have just had to retire a pair of pants this week and I think a couple of new blouses that are suddenly too roomy. I have done hours of research to see exactly what I need to be eating and how much, and I trust the science. I always love to recommend nerdfitness.com, but there are lots of really good websites out there. Have fun learning what works for you.0
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I really need to go set my macros up properly...:)
OP...good luck on your journey. ..everything that needs to be said has been said. These forums can be invaluable to the learning curve!0 -
1) as everyone else has told you, you need to up your calories. Regardless, it has only been a month. Not a lot happens the first month for lots of people.
2) glycogen. You're retaining it.
3) cut back on the cardio a little. Maybe subtract 1 cardio day and add 1 strength day. And keep the intensity up.
4) you only have 18 pounds you want to lose and you're not overweight. 2 pounds a week is overly ambitious and will probably result in more muscle loss than fat loss. You don't want to lose more than .5 - 1 pound a week at your weight and size.
5) I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're aiming for body recomposition (a little more lean, less fat), which means you need to set your macros for this goal. Protein at a minimum 1 g/lb lean body mass and fat at .35/lb body weight. I aim for 1 g/lb body weight in protein, and I've seen real results this year. I don't know your weight to give your gram estimates on this, but fix your macros. Fats and proteins are good. Carbs are too. Balance them.
Hope that you are able to make movement over the next month.
I'm at 136, my goal is 1200 -
I'm just losing my mind over here. I ran 5 miles 3x this week, lifted 2x, eating right and always staying under my calorie goal and STILL haven't lost even half a pound. What's going on here? Anyone else run into this trouble?
If you're diary is accurate than your underrating and that will cause weight loss stall.
eta: just read the other posts and see that everyone gave you the same advice-I'm a bit slow this morning lol.0 -
Granted, I'm pretty new at this all, but if you're doing all that working out AND lifting, then you're def not eating enough. Also, if you're lifting, you're most likely building muscle, which technically weighs more than fat, so you might be slimming down without the numbers moving. I do understand that it's hard a lot of days to get the number of calories in you're supposed to after working out. It's damn hard, in fact.0
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I'm just losing my mind over here. I ran 5 miles 3x this week, lifted 2x, eating right and always staying under my calorie goal and STILL haven't lost even half a pound. What's going on here? Anyone else run into this trouble?
If you're diary is accurate than your underrating and that will cause weight loss stall.
eta: just read the other posts and see that everyone gave you the same advice-I'm a bit slow this morning lol.
No prob, I can't be told enough!0 -
I'll bet it's water retention. Too much sodium and not enough water plays havoc with the scale readings.
Eat right to feel right and maybe take a couple of weeks off looking at the scale.0 -
No plateau, haven't lost anything at all. I'm at 1200/day and have been at this for 4 weeks , the plan was to lose 2lbs per week, but nothing has happened.
if the photo in your profile is you and current... you aren't going to be able to lose 2 pounds a week in a healthy way. the closer you are to a healthy weight the slower it comes off... yes like maybe not even a half a pound a week.
ETA: take pictures, and measure yourself. You are much more likely to see the results there than on the scale.0 -
No plateau, haven't lost anything at all. I'm at 1200/day and have been at this for 4 weeks , the plan was to lose 2lbs per week, but nothing has happened.
There's your problem.
1200, or UNDER 1200 as you say, is NOT the magic number to weight loss. 2 lbs of loss a week is not realistic either, taking into consideration your weight and height. You DON'T have to restrict yourself so much to lose weight.
Try this. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/975025-in-place-of-a-road-map-short-n-sweet
Eat according to your activity level (which would be exercise x times a week) and you'll feel a world of difference.
Just did that, it tells me I should be eating 1865 with my activity level daily, interesting!
^^^ Sounds about right. Need to fuel those major workouts of yours.
Hope it helps you.
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I peaked at your diary your way under calories most days and a lot of quick adds which could be high sodium items ..I did notice you stated you don't eat dairy but many of your choices do include dairy.....so that confused me a bit...I asked about the goats cheese because I eat Feta cheese myself and hadn't thought about it prior to seeing your post.
I've been told Feta is good as well, I just don't do cow's milk. I eat a little goat, some sheep, but never cow. I have low blood pressure, so I do have more sodium that what this site recommends, but it's to keep from passing out in the middle of walking down the street!
I wanted to point out, there is nothing wrong with cow's milk. It all comes down to calories. Drinking cows milk or eating foods with cows milk in it, will not prevent weight loss. That was started to sell other products at 2x the price. It's no different than those suggesting the coconut milk or products are more healthy. In the end, it comes down to macro and micro nutrients and calories.. all of which you can meet with a balanced diet.0 -
I peaked at your diary your way under calories most days and a lot of quick adds which could be high sodium items ..I did notice you stated you don't eat dairy but many of your choices do include dairy.....so that confused me a bit...I asked about the goats cheese because I eat Feta cheese myself and hadn't thought about it prior to seeing your post.
I've been told Feta is good as well, I just don't do cow's milk. I eat a little goat, some sheep, but never cow. I have low blood pressure, so I do have more sodium that what this site recommends, but it's to keep from passing out in the middle of walking down the street!
I wanted to point out, there is nothing wrong with cow's milk. It all comes down to calories. Drinking cows milk or eating foods with cows milk in it, will not prevent weight loss. That was started to sell other products at 2x the price. It's no different than those suggesting the coconut milk or products are more healthy. In the end, it comes down to macro and micro nutrients and calories.. all of which you can meet with a balanced diet.
I had issues with cysts a few years back that had to do with rBGH, because of that is why I don't eat cow's milk dairy, I just don't want to take the risk of feeling that bad ever again.0 -
I peaked at your diary your way under calories most days and a lot of quick adds which could be high sodium items ..I did notice you stated you don't eat dairy but many of your choices do include dairy.....so that confused me a bit...I asked about the goats cheese because I eat Feta cheese myself and hadn't thought about it prior to seeing your post.
I've been told Feta is good as well, I just don't do cow's milk. I eat a little goat, some sheep, but never cow. I have low blood pressure, so I do have more sodium that what this site recommends, but it's to keep from passing out in the middle of walking down the street!
I wanted to point out, there is nothing wrong with cow's milk. It all comes down to calories. Drinking cows milk or eating foods with cows milk in it, will not prevent weight loss. That was started to sell other products at 2x the price. It's no different than those suggesting the coconut milk or products are more healthy. In the end, it comes down to macro and micro nutrients and calories.. all of which you can meet with a balanced diet.
I had issues with cysts a few years back that had to do with rBGH, because of that is why I don't eat cow's milk dairy, I just don't want to take the risk of feeling that bad ever again.
Oh, that is a different story then. From the sounds of it, it seemed like your trainer was against it cow's milk.0 -
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this but hormones can make you fluctuate.
Being a female, ya know, we like to retain water at certain times. This can be a couple pounds.
But I do kind of agree that 2 pounds per week may be over doing it. It is really difficult to cut that much weight when you don't have that much to get rid of, ya know?0 -
I stay away from cow's milk too and I drink almond milk instead for a few reasons.
1. It has less calories and I only have milk with my cereal so I cannot taste the difference.
2. I don't like the way cows, chickens, etc are treated in general so I try to stay away from those things.
3. Almond milk lasts longer in the fridge so I don't have to worry about my milk going bad before I have a chance to use it.0 -
I stay away from cow's milk too and I drink almond milk instead for a few reasons.
1. It has less calories and I only have milk with my cereal so I cannot taste the difference.
2. I don't like the way cows, chickens, etc are treated in general so I try to stay away from those things.
3. Almond milk lasts longer in the fridge so I don't have to worry about my milk going bad before I have a chance to use it.
how are they treated? Like farm animals I assume, which is what they are ...LOL you are a funny person ...0 -
Its not really funny to meI stay away from cow's milk too and I drink almond milk instead for a few reasons.
1. It has less calories and I only have milk with my cereal so I cannot taste the difference.
2. I don't like the way cows, chickens, etc are treated in general so I try to stay away from those things.
3. Almond milk lasts longer in the fridge so I don't have to worry about my milk going bad before I have a chance to use it.
how are they treated? Like farm animals I assume, which is what they are ...LOL you are a funny person ...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2010/01/darker-side-of-dairy-farming/
ETA: I mean if you're really uninformed and don't know how badly these animals are treated then fine. But if your just replying to mock my morals, then just leave me alone. I really don't care for that.0 -
One week means nothing. I lose nothing 3 weeks a month.0
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Fooook the scales if your lifting take measurements hunni bet you have lost some inches xxxx0
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Dieting for long periods of time reduce hormonal function which in turn slow down metabolic rate through various means. Refeeds, diet breaks, and adjusting macros work wonders. When you're trying to get exceptionally lean it takes a lot more time and thought.0
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maybe 1200 calories is not enough for you, I know it isn't for me, I'd say increase slowly on clean foods, up your protein, drink more water and see what happens. Don't despair yet0
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Its not really funny to meI stay away from cow's milk too and I drink almond milk instead for a few reasons.
1. It has less calories and I only have milk with my cereal so I cannot taste the difference.
2. I don't like the way cows, chickens, etc are treated in general so I try to stay away from those things.
3. Almond milk lasts longer in the fridge so I don't have to worry about my milk going bad before I have a chance to use it.
how are they treated? Like farm animals I assume, which is what they are ...LOL you are a funny person ...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2010/01/darker-side-of-dairy-farming/
ETA: I mean if you're really uninformed and don't know how badly these animals are treated then fine. But if your just replying to mock my morals, then just leave me alone. I really don't care for that.
The footage for the video was shot by a bias animal rights group, I am sure they can make almost anything look bad. Also, video of one farm isn't indicative of the entire farming community. There are several organic or free range farms around my house where this probably doesn't happen. Also, take stories from the news with a grain of salt, it's designed to be entertaining to get people to watch their show. If we believed everything on the news, raspberry ketones and other pills would be the primary source of weight loss.0 -
This for sure.You do not weigh your food consistently, and you are not logging everything you are eating (quick adds). Which means you are probably eating more than you think:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/872212-you-re-probably-eating-more-than-you-think
And it's not surprising, at your activity level, that you would be hungry.
Also, as a relatively lean person (if that's you in the profile pic), you are expecting a rather large loss compared to what's reasonable. The less weight you have to lose, the slower it will come off. Set a small, sensible deficit (no larger than 20% of your daily expenditure, and probably smaller), and track everything accurately. When you are aiming for a small deficit, inaccurate tracking can be the difference between a deficit and a surplus.0 -
There's a big difference in processing food and processing people and video is an easy and cheap way to process people.........peta has been successful doing this from the get go, although it's generally the early and impressionable years where they get the best results.
Its not really funny to meI stay away from cow's milk too and I drink almond milk instead for a few reasons.
1. It has less calories and I only have milk with my cereal so I cannot taste the difference.
2. I don't like the way cows, chickens, etc are treated in general so I try to stay away from those things.
3. Almond milk lasts longer in the fridge so I don't have to worry about my milk going bad before I have a chance to use it.
how are they treated? Like farm animals I assume, which is what they are ...LOL you are a funny person ...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2010/01/darker-side-of-dairy-farming/
ETA: I mean if you're really uninformed and don't know how badly these animals are treated then fine. But if your just replying to mock my morals, then just leave me alone. I really don't care for that.
The footage for the video was shot by a bias animal rights group, I am sure they can make almost anything look bad. Also, video of one farm isn't indicative of the entire farming community. There are several organic or free range farms around my house where this probably doesn't happen. Also, take stories from the news with a grain of salt, it's designed to be entertaining to get people to watch their show. If we believed everything on the news, raspberry ketones and other pills would be the primary source of weight loss.0 -
There's a big difference in processing food and processing people and video is an easy and cheap way to process people.........peta has been successful doing this from the get go, although it's generally the early and impressionable years where they get the best results.
Its not really funny to meI stay away from cow's milk too and I drink almond milk instead for a few reasons.
1. It has less calories and I only have milk with my cereal so I cannot taste the difference.
2. I don't like the way cows, chickens, etc are treated in general so I try to stay away from those things.
3. Almond milk lasts longer in the fridge so I don't have to worry about my milk going bad before I have a chance to use it.
how are they treated? Like farm animals I assume, which is what they are ...LOL you are a funny person ...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2010/01/darker-side-of-dairy-farming/
ETA: I mean if you're really uninformed and don't know how badly these animals are treated then fine. But if your just replying to mock my morals, then just leave me alone. I really don't care for that.
The footage for the video was shot by a bias animal rights group, I am sure they can make almost anything look bad. Also, video of one farm isn't indicative of the entire farming community. There are several organic or free range farms around my house where this probably doesn't happen. Also, take stories from the news with a grain of salt, it's designed to be entertaining to get people to watch their show. If we believed everything on the news, raspberry ketones and other pills would be the primary source of weight loss.
Cows, chickens, sheep, and goats. Their whole existance is eat, crap, and sleep. Rinse and repeat. Once in awhile they ptocreate and have a baby or two. They are not an intelligent being that can hold down a job. They have one purpose. They are part of the food chain and we are above them. It is the circle of life.
For the most part the people that raise these animals do their best to take care of them in a humane but profitable way. You cannot expect the farmers to lose money on raising these animals. Farms have gotten big because the consumer wants cheap meat and dairy products. The only way farmers can compete is become big or specialize and charge more than most consumers are willing to pay, such as organic. Because farms have had to become so big there are more people involved with the care of the animals and it is much easier for the likes of PETA and HSUS to plant people on these farms and find some one abusing these animals. The majority of farmers and their employees take really good care of the animals.0
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