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Do you gain weight in body recomp?
RedheadedPrincess14
Posts: 415 Member
Okay so I'm pretty much at my goal weight but I really want to get into the shape that I should be in for the weight that I'm at ( 5 foot 8, about 130,) and I don't mind water retention from working out but I want to avoid putting on fat while I gain muscle. What's my best option here? How do I set up a recomp? Never done it before. Is fat gain inevitable with muscle gain?
I haven't been able to work out since January because of a serious injury except for lots of long quick walks everyday and I just got the clearance to start working out. Any tips?
I haven't been able to work out since January because of a serious injury except for lots of long quick walks everyday and I just got the clearance to start working out. Any tips?
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recomp is eating at maintenance. if you're going to maintenance from deficit, you'll gain some weight, but not fat weight. you shouldn't change weight at maintenance - the point is to slowly lose fat whilst you slowly build muscle, in effect decreasing your bf%7
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Once you get to your goal weight and have your maintenance calories established you should be able to run a recomp within your goal weight range. That is the whole point of a recomp as opposed to a bulk cut cycle.
If you have been off lifting for a few months start low and re-establish good form.
Here is a link to the recomp thread.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10177803/recomposition-maintaining-weight-while-losing-fat/p1
Cheers, h.
ETA: if you are cleared to start lifting start now. And just continue into a maintenance recomp. You will get the water gain, but you aware of that so it shouldn't deter you
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Okay so I'm pretty much at my goal weight
Congrats!
...but I really want to get into the shape
Great to have a new goal.
How do I set up a recomp? Never done it before.
Train effectively, eat at or around maintenance calories. That's all that's required.
Is fat gain inevitable with muscle gain?
No. Fat gain would be from a calorie surplus and if you are maintaining weight you aren't in a surplus.
I haven't been able to work out since January because of a serious injury except for lots of long quick walks everyday and I just got the clearance to start working out. Any tips?
Build up slowly and progressively, prime aim is to prevent further injury in your case.
Remember to enjoy your exercise.8 -
Thank you guys so much! Really appreciate it all xoxo0
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Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.0
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I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?0 -
RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
I'm not @RAD_Fitness , but I try to eat more on days that I work out, in particular carbs and protein, in an attempt to improve muscle recovery. Fat gain/loss is the same either way, but you might FEEL better eating his way, and someone else might come along and tell you that it improves muscle build, too - I don't know the science, there.3 -
RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
What's setting your calories? MFP? Because MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), exercise calories are supposed to be eaten. Some find the MFP database calories are inflated for them and only eat 50% back. Others can eat 100%.0 -
RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
It SHOULD help you train harder during your workouts, which in turn will lead to more muscle growth. It will also provide your body more nutrients on the day's when they need them most. If you feel better eating at maintenance calories every day, then by all means do that, I just generally find that eating more on the days you train can help you feel better during your workouts. It puts you in a deficit 4 days of the week and a surplus 3 days which over the week lead to a maintenance weight, but ideally would help you build muscle on those 3 days and lose fat on those 4 days and over time (months/years) your body can change drastically.
You can think of it as being like, every week, you are in a 900 calorie surplus and a 900 calorie deficit each week at the same time, which will lead to your weight to maintain while increasing lean mass and lowering fat. That is a major simplification because your body is second by second working, but that's the idea. As you can see though, even with those numbers, that is a lb of muscle built and a lb of fat lost in a month, with pretty IDEAL numbers, with solid training and solid diet and pretty unlikely to be that perfect honestly.
Just know, changes will come slow, and you must be patient, but you will see awesome progress if you are diligent.2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
It SHOULD help you train harder during your workouts, which in turn will lead to more muscle growth. It will also provide your body more nutrients on the day's when they need them most. If you feel better eating at maintenance calories every day, then by all means do that, I just generally find that eating more on the days you train can help you feel better during your workouts. It puts you in a deficit 4 days of the week and a surplus 3 days which over the week lead to a maintenance weight, but ideally would help you build muscle on those 3 days and lose fat on those 4 days and over time (months/years) your body can change drastically.
You can think of it as being like, every week, you are in a 900 calorie surplus and a 900 calorie deficit each week at the same time, which will lead to your weight to maintain while increasing lean mass and lowering fat. That is a major simplification because your body is second by second working, but that's the idea. As you can see though, even with those numbers, that is a lb of muscle built and a lb of fat lost in a month, with pretty IDEAL numbers, with solid training and solid diet and pretty unlikely to be that perfect honestly.
Just know, changes will come slow, and you must be patient, but you will see awesome progress if you are diligent.
Personally if I was told this I would be like WTF...because I am not "hungrier" on training days...nor do I need the extra food...esp if eating enough.
I am hungry on my day after big lifts or a run.
For example yesterday was DL day...and a long walk (no running on leg day) and I woke up starved ate my breakfast (smoothie with 50 grams of protein powder) and I was hungry before lunch.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
It SHOULD help you train harder during your workouts, which in turn will lead to more muscle growth. It will also provide your body more nutrients on the day's when they need them most. If you feel better eating at maintenance calories every day, then by all means do that, I just generally find that eating more on the days you train can help you feel better during your workouts. It puts you in a deficit 4 days of the week and a surplus 3 days which over the week lead to a maintenance weight, but ideally would help you build muscle on those 3 days and lose fat on those 4 days and over time (months/years) your body can change drastically.
You can think of it as being like, every week, you are in a 900 calorie surplus and a 900 calorie deficit each week at the same time, which will lead to your weight to maintain while increasing lean mass and lowering fat. That is a major simplification because your body is second by second working, but that's the idea. As you can see though, even with those numbers, that is a lb of muscle built and a lb of fat lost in a month, with pretty IDEAL numbers, with solid training and solid diet and pretty unlikely to be that perfect honestly.
Just know, changes will come slow, and you must be patient, but you will see awesome progress if you are diligent.
Personally if I was told this I would be like WTF...because I am not "hungrier" on training days...nor do I need the extra food...esp if eating enough.
I am hungry on my day after big lifts or a run.
For example yesterday was DL day...and a long walk (no running on leg day) and I woke up starved ate my breakfast (smoothie with 50 grams of protein powder) and I was hungry before lunch.
You're probably hungrier the day after the heavy lifting or run because you did not eat enough on the day you trained hard. If you had, you would not be as hungry the following day. I am not saying that is the end all be all. You can do it either way. Some people like to eat more on their rest days because it's the time for their body to recover and they are providing more nutrients when they are recovering from training and eat less calories on training days and put as much around their workout as they can.
It works both ways, and the idea is that you are in a calorie surplus some days and a calorie deficit others, but at maintenance over the week.
For you if you were maintaining, you'd likely prefer to eat more on rest days and less on training days. For me, I'd prefer to eat more calories on training days and less on rest days. We are both getting surplus and deficit days and we will both successfully recomp if we stay on track for a good amount of time.1 -
Ditto's to probably needing more after a good workout for repair.
Only need so much before to have a good workout.
I've always benefited more by making sure the post workout fueling was best, rather than pre workout.
Good post workout almost makes the pre-workout good automatically, as long as you've got enough blood sugar to think clearly and push it.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
It SHOULD help you train harder during your workouts, which in turn will lead to more muscle growth. It will also provide your body more nutrients on the day's when they need them most. If you feel better eating at maintenance calories every day, then by all means do that, I just generally find that eating more on the days you train can help you feel better during your workouts. It puts you in a deficit 4 days of the week and a surplus 3 days which over the week lead to a maintenance weight, but ideally would help you build muscle on those 3 days and lose fat on those 4 days and over time (months/years) your body can change drastically.
You can think of it as being like, every week, you are in a 900 calorie surplus and a 900 calorie deficit each week at the same time, which will lead to your weight to maintain while increasing lean mass and lowering fat. That is a major simplification because your body is second by second working, but that's the idea. As you can see though, even with those numbers, that is a lb of muscle built and a lb of fat lost in a month, with pretty IDEAL numbers, with solid training and solid diet and pretty unlikely to be that perfect honestly.
Just know, changes will come slow, and you must be patient, but you will see awesome progress if you are diligent.
Personally if I was told this I would be like WTF...because I am not "hungrier" on training days...nor do I need the extra food...esp if eating enough.
I am hungry on my day after big lifts or a run.
For example yesterday was DL day...and a long walk (no running on leg day) and I woke up starved ate my breakfast (smoothie with 50 grams of protein powder) and I was hungry before lunch.
You're probably hungrier the day after the heavy lifting or run because you did not eat enough on the day you trained hard. If you had, you would not be as hungry the following day. I am not saying that is the end all be all. You can do it either way. Some people like to eat more on their rest days because it's the time for their body to recover and they are providing more nutrients when they are recovering from training and eat less calories on training days and put as much around their workout as they can.
It works both ways, and the idea is that you are in a calorie surplus some days and a calorie deficit others, but at maintenance over the week.
For you if you were maintaining, you'd likely prefer to eat more on rest days and less on training days. For me, I'd prefer to eat more calories on training days and less on rest days. We are both getting surplus and deficit days and we will both successfully recomp if we stay on track for a good amount of time.
I eat the same pretty much everyday and I don't consider what i do "hard" as I follow 5/3/1 so 15-20mins lifting and 1 hour walk vs 15-20mins lifting and 30mins running M-Th and I am only hungry typically after the DL day or an outdoor run (I typically run on Treadmill)
ETA: I guess what I am saying is calorie cycling isn't always what is needed, when you eat your calories is pretty personal and depends on the person.
and I have yet to read anything definitive on it that provides the proof of "more muscle gain"
as well the repair of the muscle happens post workout within the next 24-48 hours so me being hungry the following day makes more sense than eating more on a heavy lifting day...2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
It SHOULD help you train harder during your workouts, which in turn will lead to more muscle growth. It will also provide your body more nutrients on the day's when they need them most. If you feel better eating at maintenance calories every day, then by all means do that, I just generally find that eating more on the days you train can help you feel better during your workouts. It puts you in a deficit 4 days of the week and a surplus 3 days which over the week lead to a maintenance weight, but ideally would help you build muscle on those 3 days and lose fat on those 4 days and over time (months/years) your body can change drastically.
You can think of it as being like, every week, you are in a 900 calorie surplus and a 900 calorie deficit each week at the same time, which will lead to your weight to maintain while increasing lean mass and lowering fat. That is a major simplification because your body is second by second working, but that's the idea. As you can see though, even with those numbers, that is a lb of muscle built and a lb of fat lost in a month, with pretty IDEAL numbers, with solid training and solid diet and pretty unlikely to be that perfect honestly.
Just know, changes will come slow, and you must be patient, but you will see awesome progress if you are diligent.
Okay great! Thanks I'm going to try that out. I'm used to eating the same amount of calories no matter if I'm training or not but I've never tried any other way. I always would just up my overall calories and work out 5 days a week. I'll experiment. Thanks!0 -
i guess I, going to have to try different things. I'm used to eating the same amount of calories every single day but maybe I should try the other way just to see if it does make me feel stronger? I definitely know that working out doesn't make me hungrier usually unless it's heavy cardio which I won't be doingRAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »I would recommend eating about 200-300 calories above maintenance on your training days and then eating below your maintenance on non training days.
For instance. If you're maintenance is 2,000 calories (which includes your exercise calories for weight training and any cardio), and you weight train/cardio 3x per week, I would eat 2,300 calories on those 3 days. On the remaining 4 days that you are not training, I would eat 1,800 calories. The days you don't need as much energy you aren't eating as much, and the days you are training you are eating more. If you're training early in the morning you may want to switch it to eating the higher amount of calories the day prior to training to have extra energy those days.
In the end, maintenance of 2,000 per day x 7 days= 14,000 and then (2,300 x 3 days) + (1,800 x 4 days)= 14,100. Same calories per week. If you want to be more specific, I'd slightly increase carbs and lower fats on training days, and lower carbs and increase fats on rest days, keeping protein constant minimum of 1g/lb of bodyweight.
ETA: I am not saying that 2,000 calories is your maintenance just to be clear, just using it as an easy number to do calculations for an example.
Is there actually a reason to do this other than because you may be more hungry? In the end, wood it be the same to just eat at maintenance every day whether I train or not or is there a reason that it makes sense for muscle building to structure it in this way?
It SHOULD help you train harder during your workouts, which in turn will lead to more muscle growth. It will also provide your body more nutrients on the day's when they need them most. If you feel better eating at maintenance calories every day, then by all means do that, I just generally find that eating more on the days you train can help you feel better during your workouts. It puts you in a deficit 4 days of the week and a surplus 3 days which over the week lead to a maintenance weight, but ideally would help you build muscle on those 3 days and lose fat on those 4 days and over time (months/years) your body can change drastically.
You can think of it as being like, every week, you are in a 900 calorie surplus and a 900 calorie deficit each week at the same time, which will lead to your weight to maintain while increasing lean mass and lowering fat. That is a major simplification because your body is second by second working, but that's the idea. As you can see though, even with those numbers, that is a lb of muscle built and a lb of fat lost in a month, with pretty IDEAL numbers, with solid training and solid diet and pretty unlikely to be that perfect honestly.
Just know, changes will come slow, and you must be patient, but you will see awesome progress if you are diligent.
Personally if I was told this I would be like WTF...because I am not "hungrier" on training days...nor do I need the extra food...esp if eating enough.
I am hungry on my day after big lifts or a run.
For example yesterday was DL day...and a long walk (no running on leg day) and I woke up starved ate my breakfast (smoothie with 50 grams of protein powder) and I was hungry before lunch.
You're probably hungrier the day after the heavy lifting or run because you did not eat enough on the day you trained hard. If you had, you would not be as hungry the following day. I am not saying that is the end all be all. You can do it either way. Some people like to eat more on their rest days because it's the time for their body to recover and they are providing more nutrients when they are recovering from training and eat less calories on training days and put as much around their workout as they can.
It works both ways, and the idea is that you are in a calorie surplus some days and a calorie deficit others, but at maintenance over the week.
For you if you were maintaining, you'd likely prefer to eat more on rest days and less on training days. For me, I'd prefer to eat more calories on training days and less on rest days. We are both getting surplus and deficit days and we will both successfully recomp if we stay on track for a good amount of time.
I eat the same pretty much everyday and I don't consider what i do "hard" as I follow 5/3/1 so 15-20mins lifting and 1 hour walk vs 15-20mins lifting and 30mins running M-Th and I am only hungry typically after the DL day or an outdoor run (I typically run on Treadmill)
ETA: I guess what I am saying is calorie cycling isn't always what is needed, when you eat your calories is pretty personal and depends on the person.
and I have yet to read anything definitive on it that provides the proof of "more muscle gain"
as well the repair of the muscle happens post workout within the next 24-48 hours so me being hungry the following day makes more sense than eating more on a heavy lifting day...
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RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.4 -
RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.6 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
sorry but meal timing is so totally irrelevant...I mean come on. If it were relevant people who do IF couldn't Recomp and I know lots who do.
It's like saying you have to have X before you workout and X after...within X minutes.
I hate it when people confuse and over complicate situations.
Recomp is not that complicated. eat at Maintenance and do a progressive load resistance training program...ensure you are getting in enough Protein for repair.
and Yes it's that simple.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
sorry but meal timing is so totally irrelevant...I mean come on. If it were relevant people who do IF couldn't Recomp and I know lots who do.
It's like saying you have to have X before you workout and X after...within X minutes.
I hate it when people confuse and over complicate situations.
Recomp is not that complicated. eat at Maintenance and do a progressive load resistance training program...ensure you are getting in enough Protein for repair.
and Yes it's that simple.
That's fine if that's your opinion.
I have experience with myself and with working with others and I know for me and others, meal timing, macro counting, and calorie cycling have drastically improved success during a recomp.
Not trying to win you over, just telling my experience, so no need for you to say you think I am wrong, I understand you do not agree with my experiences.2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
sorry but meal timing is so totally irrelevant...I mean come on. If it were relevant people who do IF couldn't Recomp and I know lots who do.
It's like saying you have to have X before you workout and X after...within X minutes.
I hate it when people confuse and over complicate situations.
Recomp is not that complicated. eat at Maintenance and do a progressive load resistance training program...ensure you are getting in enough Protein for repair.
and Yes it's that simple.
That's fine if that's your opinion.
I have experience with myself and with working with others and I know for me and others, meal timing, macro counting, and calorie cycling have drastically improved success during a recomp.
Not trying to win you over, just telling my experience, so no need for you to say you think I am wrong, I understand you do not agree with my experiences.
how did I know you were a PT....
and based on what I can see you don't have much to compare with as you are pretty sure your way is the best way so how can you compare against something else? have you tried another way? consistently?
I have seen lots of successful recomps too without all that...macro counting is part of body comp so that's a given but the rest eh...personal preference and no studies showing any of it is better than other methods...
See that's the key...proof not just "personal experience"..you show me a peer reviewed study(ies) that proves your way is the best and I will be glad to read it(them) and if proved be more than willing to change my opinion...
people can often be biased based on their beliefs and see what they want to see...true science has no bias.1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
sorry but meal timing is so totally irrelevant...I mean come on. If it were relevant people who do IF couldn't Recomp and I know lots who do.
It's like saying you have to have X before you workout and X after...within X minutes.
I hate it when people confuse and over complicate situations.
Recomp is not that complicated. eat at Maintenance and do a progressive load resistance training program...ensure you are getting in enough Protein for repair.
and Yes it's that simple.
That's fine if that's your opinion.
I have experience with myself and with working with others and I know for me and others, meal timing, macro counting, and calorie cycling have drastically improved success during a recomp.
Not trying to win you over, just telling my experience, so no need for you to say you think I am wrong, I understand you do not agree with my experiences.
how did I know you were a PT....
people can often be biased based on their beliefs and see what they want to see...true science has no bias.
What does being a PT and knowing how to train people have anything to do with my knowledge about nutrition? I could be an PT and a CPA accountant or a PT and a registered dietician.
And yes, that is very true, it also goes both ways. If true science has no bias then you also could show a study where it shows that meal timing, macro's and calorie cycling have no effect on changing body composition while maintaining weight. I also stated earlier that it would happen with eating at maintenance and training hard, but that it would take longer.
Have you ever tried any of the above methods in order to recomp for a substantial amount of time to see changes? If not I think you cannot just point to science and say that it doesn't work better. The reason I would point to science is if I tried something, it did or didn't work, and I try and find science to back up why it did or didn't work. If it works and science says it doesn't work, well, I am going to go with my experience every time.4 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
sorry but meal timing is so totally irrelevant...I mean come on. If it were relevant people who do IF couldn't Recomp and I know lots who do.
It's like saying you have to have X before you workout and X after...within X minutes.
I hate it when people confuse and over complicate situations.
Recomp is not that complicated. eat at Maintenance and do a progressive load resistance training program...ensure you are getting in enough Protein for repair.
and Yes it's that simple.
That's fine if that's your opinion.
I have experience with myself and with working with others and I know for me and others, meal timing, macro counting, and calorie cycling have drastically improved success during a recomp.
Not trying to win you over, just telling my experience, so no need for you to say you think I am wrong, I understand you do not agree with my experiences.
how did I know you were a PT....
people can often be biased based on their beliefs and see what they want to see...true science has no bias.
What does being a PT and knowing how to train people have anything to do with my knowledge about nutrition? I could be an PT and a CPA accountant or a PT and a registered dietician.
And yes, that is very true, it also goes both ways. If true science has no bias then you also could show a study where it shows that meal timing, macro's and calorie cycling have no effect on changing body composition while maintaining weight. I also stated earlier that it would happen with eating at maintenance and training hard, but that it would take longer.
Have you ever tried any of the above methods in order to recomp for a substantial amount of time to see changes? If not I think you cannot just point to science and say that it doesn't work better. The reason I would point to science is if I tried something, it did or didn't work, and I try and find science to back up why it did or didn't work. If it works and science says it doesn't work, well, I am going to go with my experience every time.
It's not that it does or doesn't work.
It's that meal timing provides no significant/measurable benefit over not meal timing.
It neither helps nor hurts the process.
You did it one way... and it worked
Lots of other people did it another way... and it still worked.
Recomp is simple. Manage your macros(easy) Lift heavy/progressive(simple). >>>> lose fat gain muscle maintain weight within range.
After 18-24 months, progress begins to slow due to reaching the natural(biological) body fat limit/threshold. At which point it becomes much harder/more complicated to reduce body fat further and to continue increasing strength while maintaining target weight.
At that point... things that add 1-2% benefit may be relevant... ORRRRRRR alternative measures such as pharmaceutical intervention.
99.99% of people are happy at that point to go to a strength/weight maintenance program3 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
sorry but meal timing is so totally irrelevant...I mean come on. If it were relevant people who do IF couldn't Recomp and I know lots who do.
It's like saying you have to have X before you workout and X after...within X minutes.
I hate it when people confuse and over complicate situations.
Recomp is not that complicated. eat at Maintenance and do a progressive load resistance training program...ensure you are getting in enough Protein for repair.
and Yes it's that simple.
That's fine if that's your opinion.
I have experience with myself and with working with others and I know for me and others, meal timing, macro counting, and calorie cycling have drastically improved success during a recomp.
Not trying to win you over, just telling my experience, so no need for you to say you think I am wrong, I understand you do not agree with my experiences.
how did I know you were a PT....
people can often be biased based on their beliefs and see what they want to see...true science has no bias.
What does being a PT and knowing how to train people have anything to do with my knowledge about nutrition? I could be an PT and a CPA accountant or a PT and a registered dietician.
And yes, that is very true, it also goes both ways. If true science has no bias then you also could show a study where it shows that meal timing, macro's and calorie cycling have no effect on changing body composition while maintaining weight. I also stated earlier that it would happen with eating at maintenance and training hard, but that it would take longer.
Have you ever tried any of the above methods in order to recomp for a substantial amount of time to see changes? If not I think you cannot just point to science and say that it doesn't work better. The reason I would point to science is if I tried something, it did or didn't work, and I try and find science to back up why it did or didn't work. If it works and science says it doesn't work, well, I am going to go with my experience every time.
I am not the one asserting the "facts" that caloric cycling etc works best...
So I am not the one who has to "prove" anything. I am disputing that your assertions are true for all and that it is an individual decision on what works best for "them".
but yes there are lots of studies out there that say meal timing is of no relevance to weight and/or body comp and if I were asserting it I would go get them...
as for you being a PT I didn't say it had anything to do with your knowledge of nutrition except to say you are not a RD otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Anyway my point is and has been this for a couple posts...
Calorie cycling is not required for recomp. It can and does confuse the simple facts of recomp which are eat at maintenance, get in enough protein and do resistance training (preferably a progressive load lifting program)
and for you to keep hammering that it is then you will prove to me exactly what I am thinking...
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
What a lot of irrelevant nonsense.
You are applying micro management techniques that might apply to elite athletes or those seeking to complete in physique competitions to the whole population.
They may make a tiny percentage difference - which is simply not worth it to Joe or Jane Public,.
And sticking on idiotically pessimistic timescales you pulled out of your hat simply beggars belief and undermines any credibility you may claim.
I can still make measurable difference in weeks at my advanced age, simply through increased training intensity. No calorie timing twaddle or even food logging required.
K.I.S.S. is a good system for 99% (yes, like you I can pull numbers out of thin air!).2 -
And yet the benefits from the workout don't occur during the workout - but the recovery from the workout.
That's where the body makes the improvements building back up what was torn down - and stronger if diet allows.
To say that 24-48 hrs after is when you should actually be eating _less_ than maintenance - not a good idea.
It's not like if you are eating at maintenance overall, that stuffing an extra 400 calories in prior to a workout is going to benefit the workout more. If you were in a diet overall, perhaps.
But even there, the amount of blood sugar needed for clear thinking isn't that great - have a meal at some point prior. Shoot, probably had many meals prior, any muscle glucose stores have already been refilled, liver too.
I've never heard the point of calorie cycling to be for having a good workout - but rather for repair from a good workout.
Which puts emphasis on the post workout time.
This used to be public - http://liftstuff.blogspot.ca/2012/10/the-skinny-fat-annihilation-protocol.html
Perhaps as pointed out, we have a great example of your method caused about the same results as not doing it - but if you'd done it another way you'd actually be benefited more - but you don't know that because you didn't try it right!3 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
What a lot of irrelevant nonsense.
You are applying micro management techniques that might apply to elite athletes or those seeking to complete in physique competitions to the whole population.
They may make a tiny percentage difference - which is simply not worth it to Joe or Jane Public,.
And sticking on idiotically pessimistic timescales you pulled out of your hat simply beggars belief and undermines any credibility you may claim.
I can still make measurable difference in weeks at my advanced age, simply through increased training intensity. No calorie timing twaddle or even food logging required.
K.I.S.S. is a good system for 99% (yes, like you I can pull numbers out of thin air!).
Eh, that small difference MAY be worth it to Joe or Jane Public. What's wrong with discussing it? You can take it or leave it, but it's not ridiculous or irrelevant to the discussion.
It might be in my head, but I do think that timing of my macros makes a difference in my recovery and the value of my workouts. I like to fuel my workouts before and fuel my recovery after, and look, the improvements I'm looking to make are probably small, so that tiny percentage difference IS worth it to me, and might be worth it to the OP, or to anyone else reading here, even if it's not worth it to you.1 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
What a lot of irrelevant nonsense.
You are applying micro management techniques that might apply to elite athletes or those seeking to complete in physique competitions to the whole population.
They may make a tiny percentage difference - which is simply not worth it to Joe or Jane Public,.
And sticking on idiotically pessimistic timescales you pulled out of your hat simply beggars belief and undermines any credibility you may claim.
I can still make measurable difference in weeks at my advanced age, simply through increased training intensity. No calorie timing twaddle or even food logging required.
K.I.S.S. is a good system for 99% (yes, like you I can pull numbers out of thin air!).
Eh, that small difference MAY be worth it to Joe or Jane Public. What's wrong with discussing it? You can take it or leave it, but it's not ridiculous or irrelevant to the discussion.
It might be in my head, but I do think that timing of my macros makes a difference in my recovery and the value of my workouts. I like to fuel my workouts before and fuel my recovery after, and look, the improvements I'm looking to make are probably small, so that tiny percentage difference IS worth it to me, and might be worth it to the OP, or to anyone else reading here, even if it's not worth it to you.
because the key is to keep stuff simple...if someone is getting paid to be in shape etc that is different but for a "regular" person not worth the complexity that is being spouted as a must do...when it's not a must do.
I think it was mentioned in the post as well..KISS principle...keep it simple stupid.2 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RedheadedPrincess14 wrote: »Do I eat back excercise calories? Half? What do you guys think? Or just eat at maintenance.
Remember everything is an estimate.
But to maintain you MUST be eating all your exercise calories back - otherwise you are in a deficit.
Irrelevant if you call them that (MFP method) or roll them up into same day allowance (average TDEE method).
Whether the number you estimate and eat back (or roll up into TDEE) is correct is judged by your actual weight trend over time. It's just as likely neither your food calories or exercise calorie estimates are actually accurate - doesn't matter if you find your balance.
Calorie cycling is purely personal preference, majoring in the minors if you like, not a requirement at all.
You are cycling between deficit and surplus multiple times a day - not just day to day. No micro management required.
Go for the eating pattern that you enjoy long term would be my advice.
To have a successful recomp and not spin your wheels for months on end "majoring in the minors" is important. They are not minors when you are trying to recomp. Sure if you eat at maintenance and train hard for 10 years, you'll put on some muscle and lose some fat along the way, or you can be very strict and follow specific meal timing and macros and get the same results in 2 years, or anywhere in between.
Just because someone is not willing to put in the effort and discipline into eating and training as someone else, does not mean it does not have value.
What a lot of irrelevant nonsense.
You are applying micro management techniques that might apply to elite athletes or those seeking to complete in physique competitions to the whole population.
They may make a tiny percentage difference - which is simply not worth it to Joe or Jane Public,.
And sticking on idiotically pessimistic timescales you pulled out of your hat simply beggars belief and undermines any credibility you may claim.
I can still make measurable difference in weeks at my advanced age, simply through increased training intensity. No calorie timing twaddle or even food logging required.
K.I.S.S. is a good system for 99% (yes, like you I can pull numbers out of thin air!).
Eh, that small difference MAY be worth it to Joe or Jane Public. What's wrong with discussing it? You can take it or leave it, but it's not ridiculous or irrelevant to the discussion.
It might be in my head, but I do think that timing of my macros makes a difference in my recovery and the value of my workouts. I like to fuel my workouts before and fuel my recovery after, and look, the improvements I'm looking to make are probably small, so that tiny percentage difference IS worth it to me, and might be worth it to the OP, or to anyone else reading here, even if it's not worth it to you.
"Better" needs quantifying and also needs aligning with personal goals. Nothing in the OP suggests extreme goals or fastest results at the expense of, quite possibly, pointless diligence.
Yes it's an option and (sensible) discussion is good, the opposite way of high recovery/low training days is also an option. What it isn't is required. Especially at maintenance we should have plenty of nutrient and energy onboard.
The vast proportion of the population, including gym goers, don't even calorie count. Bet those gym goers don't have a 10 year timeline or expectations for their progress!
Good for you and good luck with your aspirations.0 -
I would be curious to hear what RPsterngth and Eat to perform each had to say about the things being discussed and how much they mattered. Both of those organizations appear to be leaders in this topic.0
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