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Have you ever noticed that us, un-fit over weight people , are the ones with plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy, but yet we're the ones struggling to slim down.
No. The ones who struggle or the ones who are trying to influence others are the people who speak up about something. You give a recommendation on something if you are blown away by how well it works or if you are incredibly annoyed that it does not do what you expected it to do. If it is just normal, fitting into your normal life, it is nothing you think about and nothing you speak about. The people who speak up about something in public are positively or negatively passionate and thus a biased sample for deciding what kind of people care about it.
I care about being clean and showered, but it is a normal thing for me. I neither shower less nor more than I would see as normal and I don't talk about it usually. (Unless I am using it as an example.) I still do it regularly and enjoy it very much. So you would know nothing of my knowledge of loofa-sponges and nicely smelling shower gel.
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Have you ever noticed that us, un-fit over weight people , are the ones with plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy, but yet we're the ones struggling to slim down.
Nope. I know tons of extremely fit professional athletes - they are knowledgeable, have tons of professional advice, and are incredibly meticulous in their diet and fitness regimes. To a level most here would consider beyond OCD.
I hate that term as someone who actually has OCD.
But yes "incredibly meticulous" would be accurate for professional athletes. I know very few who blindly do what they're told without actually learning, adjusting, and constantly questioning methodology by their team.0 -
Have you ever noticed that us, un-fit over weight people , are the ones with plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy, but yet we're the ones struggling to slim down. What is it?? Low self esteem, no willpower, or is it that once we lose a few pounds we get comfortable and gain it all back. The sad part is that we can't blame no one but ourselves for that, cuz if I could blame someone, I would be on top of that person day and night lmao....till then, let's keep the struggle going, y'all are not alone my friends lol
I don't know if I had "plenty of knowledge" before. I always though weight loss meant crazy & restrictive diets that were painful to stick to long term. MFP is the first program I have tried where I still loose weight, however, I do not feel hungry or deprived in the process.1 -
rainbowbow wrote: »I find the exact opposite to be true. Most unfit or overweight people lack essential knowledge on energy balance, basic biology, and physiology.
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I used to be overweight and unfit but once I had a solid understanding of CICO I made the move to the other side. I do, however, find that a lot of people in general *think* they have a lot of nutrition information but are quite unaware.4
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janejellyroll wrote: »binkydriver wrote: »True. Most overweight people are experts at exercise and diets. So, my conclusion is we've all been lied to by the food manufacturing industry. We're also manipulated by the exercise industry as well. One sells us fake foods, with chemicals in it that are making us fat, and the other is selling a "burn it off" Rah, Rah, membership, knowing we won't see results because we are still consuming the fake processed foods--that are also sold as "diet plans" to us.
Chemicals don't make you fat.
No but processed food is easier to over-eat on. Many processed foods that are billed as "healthy" are laden with hidden sugar or fat, and the serving sizes are impossibly small.
Maybe for you, but that's definitely not the case for everyone. For example- I can rack up hundreds and hundreds of calories in nuts and seeds without even thinking about it. But I eat one scoop of ice cream and I'm done with it.
There's all sorts of 'natural' foods that are calorie bombs.
And then there's the debate about what 'processed' even means-is dairy processed? Whole grains? What about homemade muffins made with whole grains and fruit, like I made this morning-whole wheat, freshly ground flax seed, local blueberries, peaches etc. I'd label them pretty 'natural', but they're still calorie bombs.5 -
OliveGirl128 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »binkydriver wrote: »True. Most overweight people are experts at exercise and diets. So, my conclusion is we've all been lied to by the food manufacturing industry. We're also manipulated by the exercise industry as well. One sells us fake foods, with chemicals in it that are making us fat, and the other is selling a "burn it off" Rah, Rah, membership, knowing we won't see results because we are still consuming the fake processed foods--that are also sold as "diet plans" to us.
Chemicals don't make you fat.
No but processed food is easier to over-eat on. Many processed foods that are billed as "healthy" are laden with hidden sugar or fat, and the serving sizes are impossibly small.
Maybe for you, but that's definitely not the case for everyone. For example- I can rack up hundreds and hundreds of calories in nuts and seeds without even thinking about it. But I eat one scoop of ice cream and I'm done with it. There's all sorts of 'natural' foods that are calorie bombs.
Almonds are my downfall:)2 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »binkydriver wrote: »True. Most overweight people are experts at exercise and diets. So, my conclusion is we've all been lied to by the food manufacturing industry. We're also manipulated by the exercise industry as well. One sells us fake foods, with chemicals in it that are making us fat, and the other is selling a "burn it off" Rah, Rah, membership, knowing we won't see results because we are still consuming the fake processed foods--that are also sold as "diet plans" to us.
Chemicals don't make you fat.
No but processed food is easier to over-eat on. Many processed foods that are billed as "healthy" are laden with hidden sugar or fat, and the serving sizes are impossibly small.
Maybe for you, but that's definitely not the case for everyone. For example- I can rack up hundreds and hundreds of calories in nuts and seeds without even thinking about it. But I eat one scoop of ice cream and I'm done with it. There's all sorts of 'natural' foods that are calorie bombs.
Almonds are my downfall:)
Aldi now carries an amazing mix of raw cashews, walnuts and macadamia nuts-it's killing my calorie intake
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OliveGirl128 wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »binkydriver wrote: »True. Most overweight people are experts at exercise and diets. So, my conclusion is we've all been lied to by the food manufacturing industry. We're also manipulated by the exercise industry as well. One sells us fake foods, with chemicals in it that are making us fat, and the other is selling a "burn it off" Rah, Rah, membership, knowing we won't see results because we are still consuming the fake processed foods--that are also sold as "diet plans" to us.
Chemicals don't make you fat.
No but processed food is easier to over-eat on. Many processed foods that are billed as "healthy" are laden with hidden sugar or fat, and the serving sizes are impossibly small.
Maybe for you, but that's definitely not the case for everyone. For example- I can rack up hundreds and hundreds of calories in nuts and seeds without even thinking about it. But I eat one scoop of ice cream and I'm done with it. There's all sorts of 'natural' foods that are calorie bombs.
Almonds are my downfall:)
Aldi now carries an amazing mix of raw cashews, walnuts and macadamia nuts-it's killing my calorie intake lol.
Nope, nope, nope.2 -
OliveGirl128 wrote: »Aldi now carries an amazing mix of raw cashews, walnuts and macadamia nuts-it's killing my calorie intake
Mmm, that sounds delicious. Whenever I get nuts or dried fruit I measure out single serving portions in advance (I'm a bit of a reusable container fiend), and only bring one to work a day. Nuts are just too easy to go nuts with.2 -
princeofmind wrote: »We know what to do because we learned it in order to lose weight. We are still learning. That's why we are on here.
Losing weight is harder than maintaining weight and many of us have to work on breaking life long habits.
If someone was raised to eat unhealthily its going to take a lot of will power to unlearn these behaviours.
You make weight loss sound like its a walk in the park and we are just too lazy to bother.
We are all here actively working towards weight loss. We may stumble along the way but none of us would be on this forum if we were not taking this seriously.
There's lots of people who are really good at losing weight and they do it over, and over, and over again. It's maintenance where most people fail. I've lost the extra weight one time and it was a fairly easy process, over a handful of months. Now several years into maintenance, I find it way more challenging than the weight loss phase ever was.
Or did you mean maintaining a bigger weight/being overweight is easier than trying to lose weight? I may have read what you posted in the wrong way!1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »Aldi now carries an amazing mix of raw cashews, walnuts and macadamia nuts-it's killing my calorie intake
Mmm, that sounds delicious. Whenever I get nuts or dried fruit I measure out single serving portions in advance (I'm a bit of a reusable container fiend), and only bring one to work a day. Nuts are just too easy to go nuts with.
I very stupidly combined the nut mix with dried blueberries and it's pure bliss-and over 500 calories
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OliveGirl128 wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »binkydriver wrote: »True. Most overweight people are experts at exercise and diets. So, my conclusion is we've all been lied to by the food manufacturing industry. We're also manipulated by the exercise industry as well. One sells us fake foods, with chemicals in it that are making us fat, and the other is selling a "burn it off" Rah, Rah, membership, knowing we won't see results because we are still consuming the fake processed foods--that are also sold as "diet plans" to us.
Chemicals don't make you fat.
No but processed food is easier to over-eat on. Many processed foods that are billed as "healthy" are laden with hidden sugar or fat, and the serving sizes are impossibly small.
Maybe for you, but that's definitely not the case for everyone. For example- I can rack up hundreds and hundreds of calories in nuts and seeds without even thinking about it. But I eat one scoop of ice cream and I'm done with it. There's all sorts of 'natural' foods that are calorie bombs.
Almonds are my downfall:)
Aldi now carries an amazing mix of raw cashews, walnuts and macadamia nuts-it's killing my calorie intake
You know those little cans of blue diamond almonds? my boyfriend was eating one every single day for like a week before i was like... "oh my god.. that has 1,020 calories in it".
"but rain, it says lightly salted and heart health on the front, it's a healthy snack!"
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Have you ever noticed that us, un-fit over weight people , are the ones with plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy, but yet we're the ones struggling to slim down. What is it?? Low self esteem, no willpower, or is it that once we lose a few pounds we get comfortable and gain it all back. The sad part is that we can't blame no one but ourselves for that, cuz if I could blame someone, I would be on top of that person day and night lmao....till then, let's keep the struggle going, y'all are not alone my friends lol
Honestly, no I haven't noticed it. I've noticed that a lot of people "think" they have plenty of knowledge, but they are spending all their time and energy following every fad diet and every 30-second health blurb on the evening news rather than the basic stuff you need to do - Eat less calories while making generally smarter food choices and becoming more active. The rest is noise that distracts people and wastes their time until they become frustrated and give up.
In health as in all other things, I say this to myself every day - KISS (keep it simple, stupid).6 -
OliveGirl128 wrote: »There's lots of people who are really good at losing weight and they do it over, and over, and over again. It's maintenance where most people fail. I've lost the extra weight one time and it was a fairly easy process, over a handful of months. Now several years into maintenance, I find it way more challenging than the weight loss phase ever was.
Or did you mean maintaining a bigger weight/being overweight is easier than trying to lose weight? I may have read what you posted in the wrong way!
I think when they say maintaining they are talking about people who never become overweight in the first place? Because otherwise I'm with you - I think a lot of why so many people struggle with weight is the diet industry pushing "easy" and "quick" fixes that work in the short term but are very difficult to maintain long term. I've watched my mom and sister yo-yo all their lives and swore that I'd never go on "a diet." And I haven't yet!2 -
I can definitely see that as I am experiencing that myself!0
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Beg to differ. You said:Have you ever noticed that us, un-fit over weight people , are the ones with plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy, but yet we're the ones struggling to slim down.
You're clearly attempting to speak for more than just yourself, which rarely turns out well.
Btw, I lost 75 lbs, reached my goal weight over a year and a half ago, and have been in maintenance ever since.
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OliveGirl128 wrote: »princeofmind wrote: »We know what to do because we learned it in order to lose weight. We are still learning. That's why we are on here.
Losing weight is harder than maintaining weight and many of us have to work on breaking life long habits.
If someone was raised to eat unhealthily its going to take a lot of will power to unlearn these behaviours.
You make weight loss sound like its a walk in the park and we are just too lazy to bother.
We are all here actively working towards weight loss. We may stumble along the way but none of us would be on this forum if we were not taking this seriously.
There's lots of people who are really good at losing weight and they do it over, and over, and over again. It's maintenance where most people fail. I've lost the extra weight one time and it was a fairly easy process, over a handful of months. Now several years into maintenance, I find it way more challenging than the weight loss phase ever was.
Or did you mean maintaining a bigger weight/being overweight is easier than trying to lose weight? I may have read what you posted in the wrong way!
No you got it right
I just mean that both for people that have always been thin they will find it easier to maintain their weight while thin, as well as while I don't mean it will be easy for someone that has lost weight to maintain it, maintaining weight is easier than the process of losing it as you no longer need to keep yourself at deficit.
The reason some people find it easier to lose the weight than to maintain it is because they (probably) stop putting in the effort. Thats why I followed it up by saying that we have to work on breaking life long habits.
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rainbowbow wrote: »
I hate that term as someone who actually has OCD.
Apologies. I meant it in a colloquial sense - will be more aware in the future.
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Have you ever noticed that us, un-fit over weight people , are the ones with plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy, but yet we're the ones struggling to slim down. What is it?? Low self esteem, no willpower, or is it that once we lose a few pounds we get comfortable and gain it all back. The sad part is that we can't blame no one but ourselves for that, cuz if I could blame someone, I would be on top of that person day and night lmao....till then, let's keep the struggle going, y'all are not alone my friends lol
A person with diabetes will definitely know more about diabetes than me. If you have celiac disease or whatever, usually you know more about it than people who don't have it. Seems totally logical to me. Reason why I don't tell people to stop smoking or whatever. They know!1 -
plenty of knowledge about working out properly and eating healthy
Like doing lots & lots of cardio & avoiding processed foods & refined sugars?0 -
I have slimmed down, but I have not muscled up. Yes, I know how. Lift heavy things, eat at a surplus, be patient, persistent, careful about form etc.
This will be the first time I've said it. Money. Damned money. A beginners Gold's Gym bench kit from Wal-Mart with beginners free weights and a bar costs about as much as my car's monthly payment. I've got 2 more of those. It costs about as much as a new wedding ring. I need a new one. It costs about as much as, oh hell, I keep coming up with excuses.1 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I have slimmed down, but I have not muscled up. Yes, I know how. Lift heavy things, eat at a surplus, be patient, persistent, careful about form etc.
This will be the first time I've said it. Money. Damned money. A beginners Gold's Gym bench kit from Wal-Mart with beginners free weights and a bar costs about as much as my car's monthly payment. I've got 2 more of those. It costs about as much as a new wedding ring. I need a new one. It costs about as much as, oh hell, I keep coming up with excuses.
Well at least you know they are excuses. I belong to a no frills local gym. $25 per month, no commitment. I Don't have to buy any equipment. A year membership is likely about one of those car payments. No time like the present Jerome.....0 -
No. I find that the people around me who struggle to lose weight are the ones taking slim pills and eating up nicely.
I don't struggle.0 -
I haven't found it difficult at all. I just used (and still use) the knowledge to make small changes that I can easily adapt to, which over time have added up to big improvements. I view every pound in the right direction as a victory, and don't sweat the small stuff.3
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Did the OP rage quit yet?3
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rainbowbow wrote: »I find the exact opposite to be true. Most unfit or overweight people lack essential knowledge on energy balance, basic biology, and physiology.
I find this to be true universally, not just the unfit and overweight.5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I find the exact opposite to be true. Most unfit or overweight people lack essential knowledge on energy balance, basic biology, and physiology.
I find this to be true universally, not just the unfit and overweight.
I thought the same until I moved to a different country with extremely low obesity rates and where people bike 20-25k a day to commute.
I'm wondering if some of that isn't influenced by the local education system.
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rainbowbow wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I find the exact opposite to be true. Most unfit or overweight people lack essential knowledge on energy balance, basic biology, and physiology.
I find this to be true universally, not just the unfit and overweight.
I thought the same until I moved to a different country with extremely low obesity rates and where people bike 20-25k a day to commute.
I'm wondering if some of that isn't influenced by the local education system.
Do they know more about the mechanics or just live in a society that is more active? I do think education plays a part, a large part and it should have a place high on the ladder of the curriculum, particularly in places where obesity is now getting out of control.1
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