Walking and bulky thighs
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
I would so love you to be right.
I'd love bigger legs. I eat at maintenance or over but can't build leg muscles. And that is with increasing the hilly courses I run and the distance.1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
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Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
In a deficit thereby decreasing the load? In a female?
Are you confusing strength and growth?6 -
jennybearlv wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
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Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
You are correct that progressive overload will build muscle, but the increased load of adding incline is pretty small. Like in my first example, a person would initially gain a small amount of muscle, but as they ran out of incline would not gain anymore. If they then lost body weight while doing the same walk the muscle would shrink.
Color me confused, but I don't see how incline increases the load.
Isn't the load when you walk your weight? I'm thinking changing the angle changes the muscles activated, but not the load.1 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
I would so love you to be right.
I'd love bigger legs. I eat at maintenance or over but can't build leg muscles. And that is with increasing the hilly courses I run and the distance.
I'm glad he's wrong. I mostly walk and run for exercise and climb a couple of hills every day on my usual route.
My genetic blessing is to have weight settle in my thighs and have fairly muscular thighs. A deficit and running thin them out like nothing else has.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I've lived in hilly places pretty much my entire life, was a gymnast, then dancer, now strength train (mod weight, mod reps). Guess what? Mah thighs aren't supah bulkeh. I'd call them well developed and genetically I hold weight, including muscle there but there is no way I am physiologically gaining any appreciable muscle whilst in a deficit. I mean *kitten*, even deliberately trying to it's bloody hard.
Heck, below is Carol Morgan, a female ultra runner who won the women's division in the Dragon's Back race earlier this year -- a 5-day, roughly 300 K mountain race in Wales.
Massive thighs, clearly.9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
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Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
You are correct that progressive overload will build muscle, but the increased load of adding incline is pretty small. Like in my first example, a person would initially gain a small amount of muscle, but as they ran out of incline would not gain anymore. If they then lost body weight while doing the same walk the muscle would shrink.
Color me confused, but I don't see how incline increases the load.
Isn't the load when you walk your weight? I'm thinking changing the angle changes the muscles activated, but not the load.
Yes, you would be correct. I think I meant placing the load on different muscles.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
I would so love you to be right.
I'd love bigger legs. I eat at maintenance or over but can't build leg muscles. And that is with increasing the hilly courses I run and the distance.
I'm glad he's wrong. I mostly walk and run for exercise and climb a couple of hills every day on my usual route.
My genetic blessing is to have weight settle in my thighs and have fairly muscular thighs. A deficit and running thin them out like nothing else has.
No pleasing everybody, we all want different things. Wish I could trade you a bit!
We both clearly disagree with @RAD_Fitness post though.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
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Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
You are correct that progressive overload will build muscle, but the increased load of adding incline is pretty small. Like in my first example, a person would initially gain a small amount of muscle, but as they ran out of incline would not gain anymore. If they then lost body weight while doing the same walk the muscle would shrink.
Color me confused, but I don't see how incline increases the load.
Isn't the load when you walk your weight? I'm thinking changing the angle changes the muscles activated, but not the load.
The load does increase with incline, but short of steeper angles and/or increased speed it's not going to build muscle. In calorie surplus maybe slighty.
The specific muscles used could change quite a lot. Easy to detect at higher speeds on the right machines.
But in a deficit I don't think the OP has even the slightest concern of getting bigger legs.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
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Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
i have no certifications, i haven't taken any fitness classes, and don't claim to be an expert. But a very quick google search says the opposite of what you are saying, specifically this: "Walking is a cardiovascular activity that people of all fitness level can participate in. Walking effectively elevates your heart rate and burns calories, thus promoting cardiovascular health and an appropriate body composition percentage. But it does not provide enough of a stimulus to either build or tone muscle because it doesn't ever overload your muscle fibers.......Incorporating steps or hills into your walking routine may provide a temporary overloading stimulus that can cause some minor muscle development. But the muscle size increases are likely to plateau rather quickly, because your muscles will adapt to stress after a short time and thus the walks will no longer provide enough of an overload."
I wouldn't call minor temporary muscle development that plateaus quickly anything close to adding mass or hypertrophy.
I found that after a quick search on this page http://www.livestrong.com/article/339976-will-walking-build-muscle-mass-or-will-it-just-tone/
I barely add mass to my legs from my intense weight lifting program and on point diet, I just laugh when you say walking uphill is gonna put mass on me.4 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
what happens when i get to like a 90 degree incline and can't progress anymore?
That's a ridiculous example. but what happens at that point is you will have massive legs. It's like me saying what happens when I cannot overload my legs anymore through a squat or leg press because I have run out of room for more plates.
just curious, but where do you get your info from? Do you have any examples of someone with massive legs from walking uphills?1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
what happens when i get to like a 90 degree incline and can't progress anymore?
That's a ridiculous example. but what happens at that point is you will have massive legs. It's like me saying what happens when I cannot overload my legs anymore through a squat or leg press because I have run out of room for more plates.
just curious, but where do you get your info from? Do you have any examples of someone with massive legs from walking uphills?
I found this guy. Talk about the ultimate in climbing hills and his thighs do not look massive, in my opinion.
http://running.competitor.com/2016/10/news/jim-walmsley-shatters-grand-canyon-rim-rim-rim-running-record_1566401 -
Again if someone is losing weight, then the load is less which means the resistance is less. That's regressive in resistance, not progressive. That's NOT rocket science. And to build muscle you need more than just progressive overload. Not supplying enough calories to build muscle means it ain't gonna happen.RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
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Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
If this is the extent of your knowledge, you should go back and retake courses. You either got a cert at the lowest grade allowed, or a cert that is very easy to attain that didn't really cover anything but the very lowest basics.
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Dude, you're just digging a deeper and deeper hole. You should know by now that people here aren't taking you seriously at all about your knowledge because it's lacking general sense on the basics.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
what happens when i get to like a 90 degree incline and can't progress anymore?
That's a ridiculous example. but what happens at that point is you will have massive legs. It's like me saying what happens when I cannot overload my legs anymore through a squat or leg press because I have run out of room for more plates.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Wait, so OP is eating less calories and losing weight, so that means their mass is dropping. That also means that their resistance (because of weight loss) is also being decreased. The amount of mass you're speaking of here is not even noticeable if ANY at all. Your knowledge is very limited when it comes to actual advice outside of the bro gym. Stick to that with gym bros since they believe in a lot of anecdotal and bro advice.RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're progressively increasing the incline on the walk while keeping the same pace you will likely add some mass to your legs. If you are already thicker in the legs and want to avoid adding size, I would keep it at a low/no incline walk.
really? walking adds mass? So you're saying if i walk fast and on an incline i'll gain mass on my legs?
Progressively increasing the incline, yes.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Will progressively increasing the incline while walking will not build muscle?
You can say all this stuff about not knowing anything but progressive overload is what matters for muscle building. If the incline is creating more stress on the muscles, they will hypertrophy.
You are correct that progressive overload will build muscle, but the increased load of adding incline is pretty small. Like in my first example, a person would initially gain a small amount of muscle, but as they ran out of incline would not gain anymore. If they then lost body weight while doing the same walk the muscle would shrink.
Color me confused, but I don't see how incline increases the load.
Isn't the load when you walk your weight? I'm thinking changing the angle changes the muscles activated, but not the load.
Technically increasingly going against gravity (more vertically) would increase the force needed to move. In no way, shape or form anywhere even close to a set of squats even with just the bar I'd imagine, but we know he's the king of attributing huge importance to irrelevant stuff.8 -
Incorporating steps or hills into your walking routine may provide a temporary overloading stimulus that can cause some minor muscle development. But the muscle size increases are likely to plateau rather quickly, because your muscles will adapt to stress after a short time and thus the walks will no longer provide enough of an overload."
Sounds about right. My anecdotal experience of moving to somewhere with MASSIVE STEEP hills (non-car owner) some years ago bears out what most people are saying. I was not dieting at the time (rather the reverse!) and I certainly gained strength; what I had found troublesome in my first week became a totally normal walk home. I ended up being able to feel a perceptible increase of muscle in my thighs beneath my layer of blubber if I really squished. But hypertrophy? Nah. You couldn't even see the gains!0 -
threecheers20 wrote: »4 hours a day is amazing. I think I need to make more time for myself for walking. Do you walk leisurely or speed walk?
4 mph and somedays 5mph
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Op, I don't want to sound rude, but how do you have 4 hours a day to just walk on a treadmill? Isn't there something else you need to use the time for?
I need to lose weight no matter what and walking is the only exercise I love, get excited and can make commitment to.
It's a matter of priorities 6 -
Walking will not give you bulky thighs. The only way you can build muscle mass is by lifting weights. Let me throw one caveat in there. your genetics will also determine how muscle mass is built.
I'll give you my example. I'm a 57 year old male lost approximately 80 lbs over eight months maintaining for over 10 months. I work out 3 to 4 times in the gym and I don't lift heavy I lift lights with a lot of rep. I'm not bulky more cut and toned1 -
I'm just wondering where those 4 hrs fit into your day. I feel like 45 min before and after work are difficult enough for me to fit in. I also can't walk much faster than 4.2mph!0
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