Bodyweight exercise vs. Weightlifting

yirara

fjmartini wrote: »

I think body weight exercises would become easier over time if you kept loosing weight.

They get easier as you get stronger. But for that reason there are millions of variations. A bodyweight squat gets too easy? Work towards one-legged squats or pistols. Pushups too easy? Elevate the legs, hands closer together, clap your hands on the up, etc.

stanmann571

Okiludy wrote: »

rybo wrote: »

This isn't a very valid analogy. It's like saying who could run 10 miles in an emergency situation faster. Someone who doesn't run, someone who runs 5k's on occasion or someone who trains for marathons year round.

And there is a LOT more leg exercises beyond BW squats. I can't even begin to count the number of single leg variants that can get very difficult. It's not to say that BW is the end all be all, but for a lot of people, it would more than suffice. People only think pf the basics, when there is a whole world of advanced movements that aren't only upper body related.

Your comparison is like saying who could pickup a Honda CBR 400 in an emergency. Weight is around 350 dry but you would like not pick it up more shift it. Not a 50lbs child. For your runner example who would have easier time running 1mile? Not faster but easier? Should everyone train for marathons, not likely. But should everyone just walk and never get heart above 60%, once again not likely.

I never said bodyweight training was bad. I in fact said it was good for certain goals. So instead of advocating that something is "good enough", I am advocating that strength makes everyday tasks easier. To increase that strength most people should lift weights at some point to keep progressing.

Just like people should do any cardio few times a week, but at a certain point you'll need to increase volume or intensity to push your cardiovascular fitness.

BW squats, especially single leg variants built as much, or more strength than up to 125% BW 2 leg loaded variants.

As can be demonstrated by the fact that anyone who can do a correct pistol with each leg can easily press 125-150% BW in a press(squat) or pull(Deadlift) The reverse is not true, because the person who can move150% BW in a 2 legged squat or DL does not have the core/balance strength to operate in the disadvantage that a pistol variant brings.

stanmann571

yirara wrote: »

fjmartini wrote: »

I think body weight exercises would become easier over time if you kept loosing weight.

They get easier as you get stronger. But for that reason there are millions of variations. A bodyweight squat gets too easy? Work towards one-legged squats or pistols. Pushups too easy? Elevate the legs, hands closer together, clap your hands on the up, etc.

Pushup variants include 1 armed and inverted/elevated 1 arm... double/triple clap plyo variants. And for the truly advanced OAOL variant or elevated/inverted OAOL

StealthHealth

stanmann571 wrote: »

Okiludy wrote: »

rybo wrote: »

This isn't a very valid analogy. It's like saying who could run 10 miles in an emergency situation faster. Someone who doesn't run, someone who runs 5k's on occasion or someone who trains for marathons year round.

And there is a LOT more leg exercises beyond BW squats. I can't even begin to count the number of single leg variants that can get very difficult. It's not to say that BW is the end all be all, but for a lot of people, it would more than suffice. People only think pf the basics, when there is a whole world of advanced movements that aren't only upper body related.

Your comparison is like saying who could pickup a Honda CBR 400 in an emergency. Weight is around 350 dry but you would like not pick it up more shift it. Not a 50lbs child. For your runner example who would have easier time running 1mile? Not faster but easier? Should everyone train for marathons, not likely. But should everyone just walk and never get heart above 60%, once again not likely.

I never said bodyweight training was bad. I in fact said it was good for certain goals. So instead of advocating that something is "good enough", I am advocating that strength makes everyday tasks easier. To increase that strength most people should lift weights at some point to keep progressing.

Just like people should do any cardio few times a week, but at a certain point you'll need to increase volume or intensity to push your cardiovascular fitness.

BW squats, especially single leg variants built as much, or more strength than up to 125% BW 2 leg loaded variants.

As can be demonstrated by the fact that anyone who can do a correct pistol with each leg can easily press 125-150% BW in a press(squat) or pull(Deadlift) The reverse is not true, because the person who can move150% BW in a 2 legged squat or DL does not have the core/balance strength to operate in the disadvantage that a pistol variant brings.

Can confirm - pistol squats = humbling experience!!

Also - Sissy squats.

stanmann571

StealthHealth wrote: »

stanmann571 wrote: »

Okiludy wrote: »

rybo wrote: »

This isn't a very valid analogy. It's like saying who could run 10 miles in an emergency situation faster. Someone who doesn't run, someone who runs 5k's on occasion or someone who trains for marathons year round.

And there is a LOT more leg exercises beyond BW squats. I can't even begin to count the number of single leg variants that can get very difficult. It's not to say that BW is the end all be all, but for a lot of people, it would more than suffice. People only think pf the basics, when there is a whole world of advanced movements that aren't only upper body related.

Your comparison is like saying who could pickup a Honda CBR 400 in an emergency. Weight is around 350 dry but you would like not pick it up more shift it. Not a 50lbs child. For your runner example who would have easier time running 1mile? Not faster but easier? Should everyone train for marathons, not likely. But should everyone just walk and never get heart above 60%, once again not likely.

I never said bodyweight training was bad. I in fact said it was good for certain goals. So instead of advocating that something is "good enough", I am advocating that strength makes everyday tasks easier. To increase that strength most people should lift weights at some point to keep progressing.

Just like people should do any cardio few times a week, but at a certain point you'll need to increase volume or intensity to push your cardiovascular fitness.

BW squats, especially single leg variants built as much, or more strength than up to 125% BW 2 leg loaded variants.

As can be demonstrated by the fact that anyone who can do a correct pistol with each leg can easily press 125-150% BW in a press(squat) or pull(Deadlift) The reverse is not true, because the person who can move150% BW in a 2 legged squat or DL does not have the core/balance strength to operate in the disadvantage that a pistol variant brings.

Can confirm - pistol squats = humbling experience!!

Also - Sissy squats.

Sissy squats?=floating lunge or some other exercise?

OK, I looked that up, and watched the step through.. my knees hurt(no I didn't actually do any)

StealthHealth

http://www.robkingfitness.com/bodyweight-workouts/sissy-squat/

I've never attempted a weighted version - I'm far too concerned with dealing with the burn and trying not to fall over to do any type other than "body-weight-whilst-clinging-on-to -something-sturdy-for-dear-life"

firef1y72

stanmann571 wrote: »

Okiludy wrote: »

rybo wrote: »

This isn't a very valid analogy. It's like saying who could run 10 miles in an emergency situation faster. Someone who doesn't run, someone who runs 5k's on occasion or someone who trains for marathons year round.

And there is a LOT more leg exercises beyond BW squats. I can't even begin to count the number of single leg variants that can get very difficult. It's not to say that BW is the end all be all, but for a lot of people, it would more than suffice. People only think pf the basics, when there is a whole world of advanced movements that aren't only upper body related.

Your comparison is like saying who could pickup a Honda CBR 400 in an emergency. Weight is around 350 dry but you would like not pick it up more shift it. Not a 50lbs child. For your runner example who would have easier time running 1mile? Not faster but easier? Should everyone train for marathons, not likely. But should everyone just walk and never get heart above 60%, once again not likely.

I never said bodyweight training was bad. I in fact said it was good for certain goals. So instead of advocating that something is "good enough", I am advocating that strength makes everyday tasks easier. To increase that strength most people should lift weights at some point to keep progressing.

Just like people should do any cardio few times a week, but at a certain point you'll need to increase volume or intensity to push your cardiovascular fitness.

BW squats, especially single leg variants built as much, or more strength than up to 125% BW 2 leg loaded variants.

As can be demonstrated by the fact that anyone who can do a correct pistol with each leg can easily press 125-150% BW in a press(squat) or pull(Deadlift) The reverse is not true, because the person who can move150% BW in a 2 legged squat or DL does not have the core/balance strength to operate in the disadvantage that a pistol variant brings.

Absolutely agree with this. I can squat above bodyweight and deadlift 1.4x bodyweight, but am struggling big style with single leg squats, my balance simply isn't quite there.