"Who's NOT Overweight?"
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Queenmunchy wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »That makes sense. Isn't around two thirds of the States overweight and obese? Six out of seven being overweight is higher but it could be demographics.
The SAHMs I know tend to be normal to overweight. There are a few obese. My guess is that it is a slimmer group than average for our age. I am one of the larger ones at 158lbs and 5'8". Normal BMI.
I'm a sahm as well and I literally do not know another sahm that's not overweight/very overweight. I'm definitely the odd one out in that sense, in my little circle.
It's almost backwards where I live. Most of the SAHMs I know are pretty darn skinny.
I'm on maternity leave right now, but definitely not part of that trend
I was going to say the same. Where I live (Colorado, south of Denver) the SAHMs in my neck of the woods are fit and look fantastic.
I live in New Mexico and we certainly have our fair share of obesity here...but we have a lot of active people around here too that are pretty fit. Our weather is pretty much ideal almost year around (Dec/Jan kinda suck) and it's kind of an outdoor person's paradise. Hiking and rock climbing and mountain biking and skiing are pretty huge here. In Albuquerque we have around 50 miles of multi-use trails...that doesn't even include the bike paths on the road, and they're adding more and they're always full with people having fun and staying fit.
So while it's not unusual to see obese people out and about, it's also not unusual to see healthy and fit people out and about.
I lived in Albuquerque as a teen, my dad was Air Force and I think our areas are very similar. I have access to tons of outdoor activities, great weather (we also ski/snowboard and snowshoe), tons of hiking, lots of parks, etc. And don't get me wrong, we have plenty of obesity but my area is mostly people who work to stay in shape.0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Obesity rate keeps rising, and yet instead of trying to solve the problem, we are just accepting it. Clothing sizes just keep getting bigger, food portions at restaurants keep getting larger.. when are we going to say, "no, it is not healthy to be overweight, let's do something about it". ?
This. I cannot agree more with this. When I hear, 'The average US woman is a size 16' it makes me cringe. That should be an issue, of course this is a very unpopular opinion for me to share.
Same with, 'real women have curves' or 'men like meat on the bones' although for slightly different reasons.
It definitely is an issue and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, with body positivity comes people thinking because this is the average it's totally healthy. No. Obese=unhealthy.
Not to mention that the average size 16 clothing are WAY bigger than size 16 was back in the day with vanity sizing....3 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Obesity rate keeps rising, and yet instead of trying to solve the problem, we are just accepting it. Clothing sizes just keep getting bigger, food portions at restaurants keep getting larger.. when are we going to say, "no, it is not healthy to be overweight, let's do something about it". ?
This. I cannot agree more with this. When I hear, 'The average US woman is a size 16' it makes me cringe. That should be an issue, of course this is a very unpopular opinion for me to share.
Same with, 'real women have curves' or 'men like meat on the bones' although for slightly different reasons.
It definitely is an issue and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, with body positivity comes people thinking because this is the average it's totally healthy. No. Obese=unhealthy.
I'm not sure if I've ever met someone who is a size 16 who doesn't want to or isn't trying to lose weight. I think that statistic "average US woman is size 16" is more towards fashion houses to produce fashionable clothing in bigger sizes. I obviously haven't spoken to ALL women that size, but in my experience that quote is to reflect the need for designers to provide clothing that aren't just boxy, baggy, grandma-y. Being overweight doesn't mean you can't enjoy nice things in life, like having a variety of options in clothes IMO, so I don't find that quote particularly problematic.
I also never hear overweight women deny their health risks, I just always see them trying to love the skin their in and live life to the fullest like the rest of us. I don't think anyones happiness/enjoyment of life should be postponed till they are X size or X pounds. Again, this is all based on my personal experiences with people throwing around that statistic.11 -
EllieElla2015 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Obesity rate keeps rising, and yet instead of trying to solve the problem, we are just accepting it. Clothing sizes just keep getting bigger, food portions at restaurants keep getting larger.. when are we going to say, "no, it is not healthy to be overweight, let's do something about it". ?
This. I cannot agree more with this. When I hear, 'The average US woman is a size 16' it makes me cringe. That should be an issue, of course this is a very unpopular opinion for me to share.
Same with, 'real women have curves' or 'men like meat on the bones' although for slightly different reasons.
It definitely is an issue and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, with body positivity comes people thinking because this is the average it's totally healthy. No. Obese=unhealthy.
I'm not sure if I've ever met someone who is a size 16 who doesn't want to or isn't trying to lose weight. I think that statistic "average US woman is size 16" is more towards fashion houses to produce fashionable clothing in bigger sizes. I obviously haven't spoken to ALL women that size, but in my experience that quote is to reflect the need for designers to provide clothing that aren't just boxy, baggy, grandma-y. Being overweight doesn't mean you can't enjoy nice things in life, like having a variety of options in clothes IMO, so I don't find that quote particularly problematic.
I also never hear overweight women deny their health risks, I just always see them trying to love the skin their in and live life to the fullest like the rest of us. I don't think anyones happiness/enjoyment of life should be postponed till they are X size or X pounds. Again, this is all based on my personal experiences with people throwing around that statistic.
There is literally a whole movement based on the idea that a size 16 is healthy, that you can't tell if a person is obese just by looking at them (the thing is you definitely can). Browse social media and you'll see the way the masses think.
The statistic "the average US woman is a size 16" is literally the average size of US women.
I hear overweight women deny their health risks on a daily basis.
I have a friend who is getting close to the 300s and she asks me how I lost weight and I tell her all I did was count calories and she says "I don't have the time for that" and that she "actually doesn't care about her weight". I know she is lying obviously but these women are in denial.
If the average woman is obese then obviously they don't care about their health enough to actually lose the weight. I didn't for a long time. I was a size 18. It's okay to love yourself the way you are but you can't deny being unhealthy. That's all I was saying.
There are definitely A LOT of women out there who think they are perfectly healthy at a size 18. And that's scary.6 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »EllieElla2015 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Obesity rate keeps rising, and yet instead of trying to solve the problem, we are just accepting it. Clothing sizes just keep getting bigger, food portions at restaurants keep getting larger.. when are we going to say, "no, it is not healthy to be overweight, let's do something about it". ?
This. I cannot agree more with this. When I hear, 'The average US woman is a size 16' it makes me cringe. That should be an issue, of course this is a very unpopular opinion for me to share.
Same with, 'real women have curves' or 'men like meat on the bones' although for slightly different reasons.
It definitely is an issue and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, with body positivity comes people thinking because this is the average it's totally healthy. No. Obese=unhealthy.
I'm not sure if I've ever met someone who is a size 16 who doesn't want to or isn't trying to lose weight. I think that statistic "average US woman is size 16" is more towards fashion houses to produce fashionable clothing in bigger sizes. I obviously haven't spoken to ALL women that size, but in my experience that quote is to reflect the need for designers to provide clothing that aren't just boxy, baggy, grandma-y. Being overweight doesn't mean you can't enjoy nice things in life, like having a variety of options in clothes IMO, so I don't find that quote particularly problematic.
I also never hear overweight women deny their health risks, I just always see them trying to love the skin their in and live life to the fullest like the rest of us. I don't think anyones happiness/enjoyment of life should be postponed till they are X size or X pounds. Again, this is all based on my personal experiences with people throwing around that statistic.
There is literally a whole movement based on the idea that a size 16 is healthy, that you can't tell if a person is obese just by looking at them (the thing is you definitely can). Browse social media and you'll see the way the masses think.
The statistic "the average US woman is a size 16" is literally the average size of US women.
I hear overweight women deny their health risks on a daily basis.
I have a friend who is getting close to the 300s and she asks me how I lost weight and I tell her all I did was count calories and she says "I don't have the time for that" and that she "actually doesn't care about her weight". I know she is lying obviously but these women are in denial.
If the average woman is obese then obviously they don't care about their health enough to actually lose the weight. I didn't for a long time. I was a size 18. It's okay to love yourself the way you are but you can't deny being unhealthy. That's all I was saying.
There are definitely A LOT of women out there who think they are perfectly healthy at a size 18. And that's scary.
I think a lot of that is to end judgement. I have seen “you can’t determine health by looking at someone”. I haven’t seen “obese”. When I have seen it, it’s been followed by comments of overweight women saying they’re runners, can lift, etc. I have no stamina- I can’t run. My 5’2 190 pound friend outruns me by far. I think overweight women face a lot of judgement and this is a shield from that judgement. You can’t look at someone and say they can’t run a mile- everyone thinks I can but I can’t. You can’t look at someone and tell them they have diabetes (yes, you could assume they’re at higher risk for it, but you don’t even know if they’re trying to combat the issue). That’s the context I’ve heard that in. In a “don’t judge me because of my weight” way, which I think is valid especially when it comes to vocalizing those opinions which I’m sure a handful of people do.
I’m sure you’ve seen what you seen, and yes in that case I agree with you in those examples. You absolutely can tell if someone is obese. And it’s not healthy to deny health risks. I’m just saying I’ve seen mostly (well, honestly only) less “radical” body positivity with a goal of ending judgement and for big companies to cater to their measurements. I also just generally think we shouldn’t put anyone down and feeling like you’re being judged all day is quite the put down. This movement allows those who feel judged to develop a widespread support system and I don’t think it’s wrong. Like with any movement or idea, you’ll have radical thinking in some individuals or even just different interpretations. I don’t think that should speak to everyone who partakes in the movement, though.
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I'm overweight at 126 pounds, at my height. Nevermind that my health is stellar and I got muscle; sure, just charge me more for this arbitrary metric of health.
BMI is a terrible way to determine insurance premiums.
Exactly, how anybody could think it's a good idea is beyond stupid. Sure, if you wanna start charge people extra, you better find better ways than BMI to determine how fat people are.2 -
Skipjack66 wrote: »As the topic of waist to hip ratio has come up, I have a question for anyone out there who knows a little more about the topic. Are there any adjustments for age or height? It seems to me as a very tall but post-menopausal woman, what is said about my ratio seems wrong to me. Those calculator sites tell me I'm "at risk". Yes, my weight distribution has changed, but this is common for most post menopausal women, often for even the thinnest women (like my mother at 100lbs and 5'8"). Fat redistributes itself to the tummy/waist instead of the hips. It just happens because of less estrogen!
So I'm 5'11.5" (lost an inch this decade) and 149 lbs which puts my BMI at a healthy 21, in the lower range of "normal". Yet my waist is 35" and hips are 40. Maybe my waist was a couple of inches smaller ten years ago, but no more, and heck, I'm really tall so my frame is always gonna be larger! My waist could never be that small, and 35 is the cut off!
Anybody have a similar issues with their waist to hip ratio? Just curious is all.
My sister is 6 foot tall and she probably has similar waist measurements. She is built like a guy that way. Tall and slim legs and thighs and a smaller butt. But her waist is not very defined. Low rise pants suits her the best. A pair of men's classic 501's fits great on her.0 -
EllieElla2015 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »EllieElla2015 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Obesity rate keeps rising, and yet instead of trying to solve the problem, we are just accepting it. Clothing sizes just keep getting bigger, food portions at restaurants keep getting larger.. when are we going to say, "no, it is not healthy to be overweight, let's do something about it". ?
This. I cannot agree more with this. When I hear, 'The average US woman is a size 16' it makes me cringe. That should be an issue, of course this is a very unpopular opinion for me to share.
Same with, 'real women have curves' or 'men like meat on the bones' although for slightly different reasons.
It definitely is an issue and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, with body positivity comes people thinking because this is the average it's totally healthy. No. Obese=unhealthy.
I'm not sure if I've ever met someone who is a size 16 who doesn't want to or isn't trying to lose weight. I think that statistic "average US woman is size 16" is more towards fashion houses to produce fashionable clothing in bigger sizes. I obviously haven't spoken to ALL women that size, but in my experience that quote is to reflect the need for designers to provide clothing that aren't just boxy, baggy, grandma-y. Being overweight doesn't mean you can't enjoy nice things in life, like having a variety of options in clothes IMO, so I don't find that quote particularly problematic.
I also never hear overweight women deny their health risks, I just always see them trying to love the skin their in and live life to the fullest like the rest of us. I don't think anyones happiness/enjoyment of life should be postponed till they are X size or X pounds. Again, this is all based on my personal experiences with people throwing around that statistic.
There is literally a whole movement based on the idea that a size 16 is healthy, that you can't tell if a person is obese just by looking at them (the thing is you definitely can). Browse social media and you'll see the way the masses think.
The statistic "the average US woman is a size 16" is literally the average size of US women.
I hear overweight women deny their health risks on a daily basis.
I have a friend who is getting close to the 300s and she asks me how I lost weight and I tell her all I did was count calories and she says "I don't have the time for that" and that she "actually doesn't care about her weight". I know she is lying obviously but these women are in denial.
If the average woman is obese then obviously they don't care about their health enough to actually lose the weight. I didn't for a long time. I was a size 18. It's okay to love yourself the way you are but you can't deny being unhealthy. That's all I was saying.
There are definitely A LOT of women out there who think they are perfectly healthy at a size 18. And that's scary.
I think a lot of that is to end judgement. I have seen “you can’t determine health by looking at someone”. I haven’t seen “obese”. When I have seen it, it’s been followed by comments of overweight women saying they’re runners, can lift, etc. I have no stamina- I can’t run. My 5’2 190 pound friend outruns me by far. I think overweight women face a lot of judgement and this is a shield from that judgement. You can’t look at someone and say they can’t run a mile- everyone thinks I can but I can’t. You can’t look at someone and tell them they have diabetes (yes, you could assume they’re at higher risk for it, but you don’t even know if they’re trying to combat the issue). That’s the context I’ve heard that in. In a “don’t judge me because of my weight” way, which I think is valid especially when it comes to vocalizing those opinions which I’m sure a handful of people do.
I’m sure you’ve seen what you seen, and yes in that case I agree with you in those examples. You absolutely can tell if someone is obese. And it’s not healthy to deny health risks. I’m just saying I’ve seen mostly (well, honestly only) less “radical” body positivity with a goal of ending judgement and for big companies to cater to their measurements. I also just generally think we shouldn’t put anyone down and feeling like you’re being judged all day is quite the put down. This movement allows those who feel judged to develop a widespread support system and I don’t think it’s wrong. Like with any movement or idea, you’ll have radical thinking in some individuals or even just different interpretations. I don’t think that should speak to everyone who partakes in the movement, though.
Yes I agree nobody should be judged based on how much they weigh or how they look. But the people you're talking about aren't the problem. It's the people that glamorize obesity that are the problem.
And I don't think big companies should have to cater to their measurements. It's totally up to a designer what kind of clothes they want to design and make available. There are plenty of plus-size clothing stores but unfortunately you're not going to find the latest trends because they don't look good on all body types. Nobody will buy the clothing if it doesn't look good on them. So why make it?3 -
For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.11
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rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.11 -
I mean by normal standards I'm a healthy weight but for being a competitive athlete I'm 10 pounds over race weight0
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.
Thanks for calling me a liar. At a size 18 I weighed about 190, which is a 28.9 BMI - that's overweight, not obese. But I'm sure you know my body better than I do, since you seem to know everything.7 -
So, at a meeting this week, we were all chatting about random stuff and one person brought up her partner was coming onto her insurance because her partner's company's insurance was going to start charging more for smokers (private company). Another one said the same thing, but it was due to health stats like BMI, BP, etc. and they were given notice this would take effect January 1, 2018. Change now or pay more later, I guess.
The smoking thing didn't phase anyone, but the weight thing did. One of my office mates said, "That's not a fair thing to charge for, I mean, who's NOT overweight?" Myself and one other person raised our hands. Two out of 14 people. I don't perceive anyone being obese, but I really have no idea and don't really think about it. I was obese, lost 100+ pounds and have been in maintenance almost three years.
It was just an interesting observation for me--even our folks with "active" jobs are probably overweight. Only two our of 14 were a healthy weight.
I know not everyone works in a office, but with their office mates or stay-at-home-parent folks, is my office an anomaly? Or is it normal?
Well Im barely in overweight instead of the obese category and I go to college 3 days a week... I feel pretty decent on campus (where as if everyone were thin Id be super uncomfortable being out and about...) because to be honest I'd say 50% maybe even more and I have a skewed perception are overweight. And definitely a large percentage are obese.0 -
So a man my height that weighs 175 lbs but eats total garbage, drinks nearly daily, has vitals worse than mine, would be considered in a healthy range and get a better premium. I just did my BMI and I'm at 27.5. That's 2.5 points away from obese.
You were just told they take into account waist measurement.0 -
sarahseeto wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »Yep, being overweight is the norm. That's why when most people start losing weight, the comments usually turn from compliments to thinly-veiled insults and (sometimes) fake concern. People don't want to take responsibility for their weight and love to blame a multitude of factors. When someone around them achieves weight loss, it is almost like a threat to their own lifestyle.
Even on MFP, you'll see many people aim for a weight that's just past or slightly below the top of the range for their height on a BMI chart. That's absolutely fine but I notice anyone who is, or wants to be, at the lower half of that range often gets asked why they do or people make excuses how it's just not sustainable and/or they couldn't imagine being that weight because they haven't been since they were a teen, they have curves, they have too much muscle, etc. There is a level of delusion in the world when it comes to what an appropriate weight range should be for a majority of people.
This is 100% true! Wow! I'm a nurse and despite being surrounded by health professionals, most of them are over weight. I've never been over weight but I did go through a phase of being chubby for a bit. I have now lost 6kgs in 9-6 months and I go to work and people tell me I look too thin or I'm losing weight to fast. They are all really bitter about it! I'm a very fit, active and healthy person and well within my bmi limits Limits. People just get really narky when they see that you can achieve your fitness goals and they are still swallowing down a donut. It's amazing how many people want to watch you fail!
They hate you even more if you reach your goals AND swallow a donut... ijs (I recommend you not swallow the donut all at once, that would be problematic)1 -
I work in an office - at the state health department no less. I would say out of about 2/3 of the 50 people in my office are overweight. Roughly a quarter are obese. And there are constant potlucks and celebrations that revolve around food.0
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Im a mover and im literally the only fit one there. Its all fat men. It is a bit weird to me such an active job has such out of shape people. They constantly tease me for being a tiny female but i outlift them all
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rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.
Thanks for calling me a liar. At a size 18 I weighed about 190, which is a 28.9 BMI - that's overweight, not obese. But I'm sure you know my body better than I do, since you seem to know everything.
And your hips? The inches have to come from somewhere. I wore an 18 and was very very round. Even the leg size would have to be pretty big. I was 230lbs wearing an 18. So something doesn't add up here.
You never even mentioned you wearing an 18 so no I don't claim to know more about your body. Relax. And a 28.9 BMI is 7 pounds away from obese. I'm not calling you a liar but it just seems VERY unlikely that someone could be not obese (or pretty close I guess) and a size 18.9 -
Not sure the weight of everyone where I work, but I think we have a good mix. I am not overweight. Doctor told me to lose 10 lbs and I lost 15, so I'm good.0
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.
Thanks for calling me a liar. At a size 18 I weighed about 190, which is a 28.9 BMI - that's overweight, not obese. But I'm sure you know my body better than I do, since you seem to know everything.
And your hips? The inches have to come from somewhere. I wore an 18 and was very very round. Even the leg size would have to be pretty big. I was 230lbs wearing an 18. So something doesn't add up here.
You never even mentioned you wearing an 18 so no I don't claim to know more about your body. Relax. And a 28.9 BMI is 7 pounds away from obese. I'm not calling you a liar but it just seems VERY unlikely that someone could be not obese (or pretty close I guess) and a size 18.
It's 17 pounds from obese, not seven. For 5'8", obese starts at 197. At 197 I was wearing a 20.
I don't measure my hips but they're not especially huge. I have a muscular butt and thighs due to lifting. But I lift very casually and am not a bodybuilder.
Clothing manufacturers are not consistent enough for this conversation to have much value. I currently weigh 167 - normal weight for my height starts at 164 - and yesterday tried on a Ralph Lauren dress in a 16 which was too small - there was no 18, but if there had been, that would have been my size. Ordinarily right now I wear 12 jeans and a medium shirt, but I also tried on an extra large jacket which was skin tight. Yesterday at Kohl's I tried on clothes from small to 2x which all fit. I suspect there are some 10s which would have fit. So what, exactly, is my size?6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.
Thanks for calling me a liar. At a size 18 I weighed about 190, which is a 28.9 BMI - that's overweight, not obese. But I'm sure you know my body better than I do, since you seem to know everything.
And your hips? The inches have to come from somewhere. I wore an 18 and was very very round. Even the leg size would have to be pretty big. I was 230lbs wearing an 18. So something doesn't add up here.
You never even mentioned you wearing an 18 so no I don't claim to know more about your body. Relax. And a 28.9 BMI is 7 pounds away from obese. I'm not calling you a liar but it just seems VERY unlikely that someone could be not obese (or pretty close I guess) and a size 18.
It's 17 pounds from obese, not seven. For 5'8", obese starts at 197. At 197 I was wearing a 20.
I don't measure my hips but they're not especially huge. I have a muscular butt and thighs due to lifting. But I lift very casually and am not a bodybuilder.
Clothing manufacturers are not consistent enough for this conversation to have much value. I currently weigh 167 - normal weight for my height starts at 164 - and yesterday tried on a Ralph Lauren dress in a 16 which was too small - there was no 18, but if there had been, that would have been my size. Ordinarily right now I wear 12 jeans and a medium shirt, but I also tried on an extra large jacket which was skin tight. Yesterday at Kohl's I tried on clothes from small to 2x which all fit. I suspect there are some 10s which would have fit. So what, exactly, is my size?
It is 7lbs from obese... you said 190 is a 28.9 BMI, and obese starts at 197. That's 7. I'm not really sure where 17 is coming from? Unless I just can't see something.
I don't know what to say to you. You can wear a small but you can fit a 2x. Do sizes really vary THAT much? That sounds ridiculous.
Anyways, obese is bad, healthy is good. I think we can all agree on that.5 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.
Thanks for calling me a liar. At a size 18 I weighed about 190, which is a 28.9 BMI - that's overweight, not obese. But I'm sure you know my body better than I do, since you seem to know everything.
And your hips? The inches have to come from somewhere. I wore an 18 and was very very round. Even the leg size would have to be pretty big. I was 230lbs wearing an 18. So something doesn't add up here.
You never even mentioned you wearing an 18 so no I don't claim to know more about your body. Relax. And a 28.9 BMI is 7 pounds away from obese. I'm not calling you a liar but it just seems VERY unlikely that someone could be not obese (or pretty close I guess) and a size 18.
It's 17 pounds from obese, not seven. For 5'8", obese starts at 197. At 197 I was wearing a 20.
I don't measure my hips but they're not especially huge. I have a muscular butt and thighs due to lifting. But I lift very casually and am not a bodybuilder.
Clothing manufacturers are not consistent enough for this conversation to have much value. I currently weigh 167 - normal weight for my height starts at 164 - and yesterday tried on a Ralph Lauren dress in a 16 which was too small - there was no 18, but if there had been, that would have been my size. Ordinarily right now I wear 12 jeans and a medium shirt, but I also tried on an extra large jacket which was skin tight. Yesterday at Kohl's I tried on clothes from small to 2x which all fit. I suspect there are some 10s which would have fit. So what, exactly, is my size?
It is 7lbs from obese... you said 190 is a 28.9 BMI, and obese starts at 197. That's 7. I'm not really sure where 17 is coming from? Unless I just can't see something.
I don't know what to say to you. You can wear a small but you can fit a 2x. Do sizes really vary THAT much? That sounds ridiculous.
Anyways, obese is bad, healthy is good. I think we can all agree on that.
Sorry, you're right, I was thinking 180 for some reason. Regardless, there are plenty of women who are taller than 5'8" and heavier than I am at the same body fat percentage.
And yes, sizes are that ridiculous. I bought an xl sleeveless shirt to wear under sweaters, since it was skin tight - the sweater I bought to wear it under is a medium, and fits loosely enough to wear a shirt under it. Manufacturer of both is the same!0 -
rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
You'd have to have some crazy hip bones to not be obese in a size 18. It's circumference not height. I'm sure height plays into sizes but not an 18. That is some woo right there.
Thanks for calling me a liar. At a size 18 I weighed about 190, which is a 28.9 BMI - that's overweight, not obese. But I'm sure you know my body better than I do, since you seem to know everything.
And your hips? The inches have to come from somewhere. I wore an 18 and was very very round. Even the leg size would have to be pretty big. I was 230lbs wearing an 18. So something doesn't add up here.
You never even mentioned you wearing an 18 so no I don't claim to know more about your body. Relax. And a 28.9 BMI is 7 pounds away from obese. I'm not calling you a liar but it just seems VERY unlikely that someone could be not obese (or pretty close I guess) and a size 18.
It's 17 pounds from obese, not seven. For 5'8", obese starts at 197. At 197 I was wearing a 20.
I don't measure my hips but they're not especially huge. I have a muscular butt and thighs due to lifting. But I lift very casually and am not a bodybuilder.
Clothing manufacturers are not consistent enough for this conversation to have much value. I currently weigh 167 - normal weight for my height starts at 164 - and yesterday tried on a Ralph Lauren dress in a 16 which was too small - there was no 18, but if there had been, that would have been my size. Ordinarily right now I wear 12 jeans and a medium shirt, but I also tried on an extra large jacket which was skin tight. Yesterday at Kohl's I tried on clothes from small to 2x which all fit. I suspect there are some 10s which would have fit. So what, exactly, is my size?
It is 7lbs from obese... you said 190 is a 28.9 BMI, and obese starts at 197. That's 7. I'm not really sure where 17 is coming from? Unless I just can't see something.
I don't know what to say to you. You can wear a small but you can fit a 2x. Do sizes really vary THAT much? That sounds ridiculous.
Anyways, obese is bad, healthy is good. I think we can all agree on that.
Sorry, you're right, I was thinking 180 for some reason. Regardless, there are plenty of women who are taller than 5'8" and heavier than I am at the same body fat percentage.
And yes, sizes are that ridiculous. I bought an xl sleeveless shirt to wear under sweaters, since it was skin tight - the sweater I bought to wear it under is a medium, and fits loosely enough to wear a shirt under it. Manufacturer of both is the same!
I haven't been shopping yet since losing 65lbs and now I'm scared lol and I thought it was hard to shop for clothes before -_-0 -
5'9" - all clothing sizes in US standard Misses’ sizes (ASTM D5585 11e1) (2011)
155 size 8/6 (36"-28"-37")
165 size 10/8 (37"-29"-38")
175 size 10/8 (38"-29"-38") <-- overweight line
185 size 12/10 (39"-30"-39")
195 size 14/12 (40"-31"-40")
205 size 16/14 (42"-32"-42") <-- obese line
225 size 18/16 (44"-34"-44")
245 size 20/18 (46"-36"-46")
265 size 22/20 (48"-38"-48")
Now I have a disagreement with the standard setting a BMI of 25 as "overweight" and 30 as "obese" - I don't believe the statistical evidence of the general US Population based on morbidity/mortality support the cutoffs. But that doesn't mean I don't think that there is a real health hazard associated with excess body fat and excess body weight; I absolutely do. And I think the medical community and public health people are right to raise alarm about it. I just don't like the way they're going about it.
I can see from my own life how much weight makes doing everything harder. And I see from my mom's life what a profound mess being super morbidly obese can make of your life. Folks, you do NOT want to share the health problems my mom has that were caused by super morbid obesity. You don't want the health problems she had that helped lead to her growing immobility either.. her life would be no walk in the park if she was a normal weight, but WOW! the weight has made everything a lot tougher.
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2 people at same height and weight can look very different and fit different sizes.
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rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
Many women? Hmmm...maybe a few. I'm 5'7.5" and I would be huge in a size 18. My 5'11" sister would definitely be overweight and probably borderline obese in size 18. My 5'5" sister-in-law is obese in a size 16. But I understand that there are different body types. There are always outliers in all sizes, and I believe you when you say that you can personally wear size 18 and are not obese.
But most women wearing a size 18 are going to be at least borderline obese, and definitely obese if they are in the average height range. Even at an above-average height, the waist to height ratio in a standard US size 18 is getting a bit risky, unless you are super tall. Not too bad in a 12-16 for the taller ladies, though.
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I just read an article yesterday that said the average size woman is now a 16. That women's waist lines have increased 4 inches over the past decade. The article was slanted in such a way to make it seem that this was wonderful that people were more accepting now of bigger women and that it was important for everyone to know that the era of the size 4 woman was over.
So as a whole we are getting bigger and articles like this want to make us think that this is okay when it is not okay.6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »For the record, many women are not obese at a size 18. On me that's not obese. I wear between a 12 and a 16 currently (depending on brand) and am three pounds off from healthy BMI, with a waist less than half my height. And I'm not all that tall, only 5'8". Plenty of women are taller and can easily have less than a 25 BMI while wearing a 16.
Many women? Hmmm...maybe a few. I'm 5'7.5" and I would be huge in a size 18. My 5'11" sister would definitely be overweight and probably borderline obese in size 18. My 5'5" sister-in-law is obese in a size 16. But I understand that there are different body types. There are always outliers in all sizes, and I believe you when you say that you can personally wear size 18 and are not obese.
But most women wearing a size 18 are going to be at least borderline obese, and definitely obese if they are in the average height range. Even at an above-average height, the waist to height ratio in a standard US size 18 is getting a bit risky, unless you are super tall. Not too bad in a 12-16 for the taller ladies, though.
I agree with jenilla. I'm 5'8" and at my biggest (nearly 200 pounds) I wasn't wearing a size 18. For me to be in a size 18 I would have be around 250 and that would be obese for me.
Again, there are different body types, but a size 18 would definitely put me in the obese category.2 -
I work in an office setting with very active people (runners, cyclists, etc) so I'm probably the fattest person around. I would say that the average person here (even outside of work) is still not overweight, although that seems to be changing. That being said - I don't live in the States so perhaps that's the difference?0
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We were trying to get additional funds for our corporate wellness group a few years ago and submitted the following to inform the executives of the regional cultural challenges found in Ohio:
My worksite is located in Cuyahoga County, one of the unhealthiest counties within one of the unhealthiest states, and our workforce mirrors the stats of the region (or is possibly worse, due to the sedentary nature of the work). Most wellness initiatives are just met with indifference: the cafeteria sells predominantly greasy/fatty/sodium drenched/breaded/sugary stuff, the smoking area is packed, and the wellness center is mostly empty...2
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