Question about the Zero carb/Low carb diet.
Bofahadx
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So i have been following a normal diet where i eat less and and also exercise before breakfast, lost 8 Kg in 1 month.
Now i wanna try the Low carb diet, and this is my plan, i just wanna if it will work. (i weight 102 Kg / 180 Cm)
Plan: Boiled eggs for breakfast, Grilled Chicken/Tuna/Steaks for launch and dinner + 30min jogging before breakfast and 10min after. will i get good results?
also how much chicken and tuna i should eat?
Now i wanna try the Low carb diet, and this is my plan, i just wanna if it will work. (i weight 102 Kg / 180 Cm)
Plan: Boiled eggs for breakfast, Grilled Chicken/Tuna/Steaks for launch and dinner + 30min jogging before breakfast and 10min after. will i get good results?
also how much chicken and tuna i should eat?
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As long as you're in a calorie deficit you will lose weight. Low carb works for some and not for others.7
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Ick.
Try pre logging a day and see how many calories it will be. You will have to be in a calorie deficit to lose on such a diet. If you put your stats in to your profile MFP will give you your calorie goal.
You will have to weigh all your portions.
You also need fat and a multivitamin on a zero carb diet.
Expect digestive issues and a case of the Keto flu.
An extreme diet like this is not my cup of tea. If you get tired of it there are other things you can do.6 -
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I've been low-carb for over two years now. While it's not for everyone, I've found it remarkably easy and have had amazing results. Protein and fat are much more satiating for me than carbs and keep me full longer, so it's a great option if you find that grains don't keep you satisfied for long and end up being empty calories. My suggestions are as follows:
1. Don't exercise the first month. This is a big transition for your body. Extra exertion is not going to do you any favors, just as it doesn't help to exercise when you're sick. You need to give your body a chance to do its thing and adjust.
2. The first week or two are the biggest adjustment. You will feel weird and tired. People call this the "Keto Flu." A big reason this happens is sudden electrolyte deficiency (you're going to flush out a lot of retained water). Compensate for this by taking a magnesium & potassium supplement, drinking zero-calorie drinks with electrolytes (like Vitamin Water Zero), or just drinking pickle juice. I love pickle juice, but your mileage may vary.
3. Don't count your calories for the first month. Again, this is a big adjustment for your body. Just eat whatever low-carb food you want to satiation. Your calorie counts will fluctuate hugely, but don't worry about it. Once everything feels normal and leveled out, then consider your calories as a factor again. Don't worry - you'll still lose fat even if you have some massive calorie days. There will be others where you barely feel hungry at all. It evens out.
On this diet, the most important thing is your macros. Here's a good calculator to figure out what those macros should look like: https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/
And here are some recipes: http://genaw.com/lowcarb/recipes.html
While it's okay to stick to simple meals at first, eventually you'll get bored. There are many more keto recipes on the internet to try out. There are also many more resources and friendly communities on the internet. Good luck!17 -
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Did you mean to make it purposefully low-fat as well? I guess if you're relying more on steaks and dark meat chicken that might not be as much of a concern, but that doesn't really sound like a balanced plan. If it were me, I think I'd be concerned about constipation and a lack of electrolytes.0
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So i have been following a normal diet where i eat less and and also exercise before breakfast, lost 8 Kg in 1 month.
Now i wanna try the Low carb diet, and this is my plan, i just wanna if it will work. (i weight 102 Kg / 180 Cm)
Plan: Boiled eggs for breakfast, Grilled Chicken/Tuna/Steaks for launch and dinner + 30min jogging before breakfast and 10min after. will i get good results?
also how much chicken and tuna i should eat?
This is why it's a LOW carb diet and not no carb diet. Veggies & fruit have carbs AND fiber. Your diet plan looks like protein + a little fat.....not very balanced. You're going to be really backed up.
Your current plan is working well, I'm not sure why you want to fix something that's not broken.6 -
Just to confirm- all you plan on eating is boiled eggs and meat... Assuming you eat 1800 calories a day, that is a lot of eggs and meat. 1 egg is 80 calories. 12 x 80 = 960. You could eat a dozen eggs in a day with 840 calories left for chicken, tuna and steak. Or, you could eat 6 eggs with 1,320 calories left for chicken, tuna and steak. Is that really ideal for you??
You're ignoring many micro nutrients that you find in fruits and vegetables. Going zero carb is not sustainable and you're going to end up deficit in vitamins and nutrients. If you want to cut out grains and legumes and dairy, then that is your own choice. But cutting out fruits and vegetables is not good for legitimate health reasons.6 -
Frankly, if you were me, I'd be pretty happy with losing 8 kg in a month and would consider the shift to keto unnecessary. You might experience slightly faster weight loss for a short while, you might not. Its definitely a more constraining diet than not, so I don't see much advantage. I started keto at 235 lb (107 kg) and lost perhaps 50 lbs (23 kg) over 3 - 4 months, no exercise. That was great, but there are obviously many other roads to reach the same result. I lost another 40 lbs not on keto and with exercise.4
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Try the Low Carber Daily MFP group for knowledgeable low or zero carb advice. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
There is also a Low Carber Carnivore group. It is small but helpful. Years of advice there. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/120342-low-carber-carnivore-club
I have been very low carb (about 20 g carbs a day) for a few years and dabble in carnivore/zero carb too. Most people go this route for health and not for added weight loss. In fact, when I went carnivore I gained almost 10lbs for a while even though I was getting smaller. My body was just getting into its groove.
I felt really good on "zero" carb. Food was easy. Meats, full fat dairy, eggs. Meals like bacon and eggs, cheese, egg and beef casserole, cheeseburger patty with mayo, bacon and a side of bratwurst. One day I had a shrimp ring for lunch....
TBH, I found it REALLY hard to overeat on carnivore. The food was filling. I ended up losing 5lbs after about 5 weeks after I got rid of the initial 10lbs gain, without counting a calorie or trying to lose weight. It was easy. I looked good, my skin and hair was great, my autoimmune issues were fine, my BG was a piece of cake to manage, and BM's were regular and smaller if anything. My macros did not even change much. It went from 70% F/ 20% P/ 5% C to 75/25/0.
The only reason I don't do it everyday is that I like nuts and some veggies, even if my body doesn't. Today I had about 2c of snap peas and about 1 c nuts and I am paying for it: stomach aches, gas, fatigue, and munchies. I'll be back to carnivore to recover.
Animal products are generally a better source for vitamins so you probably won't need extra supplements or a multivitamin. Most carnivores don't bother with them. That includes fibre - it is sort of not needed if you aren't eating plant matter. Plus BMs are usually easier without plants - less bulk and better "greased". Ignore the constipation threats. It rarely happens with zero carb.
It is sustainable if you enjoy it and it works for you. I know a few who have been eating this way for years because it is better for them. It is not as unusual as people seem to think.
https://zerocarbzen.com/
All that being said, You seem to be doing well on a higher carb diet. Feel free to give it a try. Give it a really good try if you have insulin resistance. But low or zero carb is not the only way to weight loss. It's just one way.
Go for it though. Just don't skimp on fat, and make sure you get 3000-5000 mg of sodium per day (there is 2300 mg of sodium in a teaspoon of salt) to avoid the so-called "keto flu" which is actually a completely preventable electrolyte imbalance.
Good luck.6 -
I'm very interested (because I'm nosy) to know why you want to try low carb, when what you're already doing is working great. It should interest YOU even more, because it's about whether you'll succeed or fail, your wellbeing, and ultimately your health.
Is it because you think low carb will work better? You always lose more in the beginning. Weight loss always tapers off as you lose weight.
Is it because you are bored with your current diet? Rest assured that restricting food choices will be much more boring. You can eat anything you want and lose weight.
In addition to this I just have to repeat even more of what's already been said - MFP has given you a calorie goal, and you have to weigh and log ALL your food and hit your calorie goal every day, if you want to lose weight. You will suffer from malnutrition unless you at least get in plenty of fat and vegetables alongside the meat.5 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I'm very interested (because I'm nosy) to know why you want to try low carb, when what you're already doing is working great. It should interest YOU even more, because it's about whether you'll succeed or fail, your wellbeing, and ultimately your health.
Is it because you think low carb will work better? You always lose more in the beginning. Weight loss always tapers off as you lose weight.
Is it because you are bored with your current diet? Rest assured that restricting food choices will be much more boring. You can eat anything you want and lose weight.
In addition to this I just have to repeat even more of what's already been said - MFP has given you a calorie goal, and you have to weigh and log ALL your food and hit your calorie goal every day, if you want to lose weight. You will suffer from malnutrition unless you at least get in plenty of fat and vegetables alongside the meat.
The boldedis not entirely true. One does not need vegetables to avoid malnutrition.
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...and this is why I don't go keto...too much rules for nothing. Best diet is the one you enjoy, as long as your in a caloric deficit and you get your key micro nutrients + fiber (I learned this one the hard way), you will be fine. If you are a lifter, stopping exercise will only cause you to lose muscles especially if you are losing weight.
Stopping exercise temporarily may indeed cause you to lose some of your gains, but it's easy enough to get going again after a month or so and get it back. The high protein mitigates muscle loss significantly. It's really not a big deal, nor are the initial precautions "too many rules." I mean really, "don't exercise, don't count calories, and watch your electrolytes the first month" is too many rules for you? It's fine if keto doesn't sound appealing to you, but knocking it when someone wants to try it just because you don't like it is not productive.2 -
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I am not knocking on keto, but unless you hate carbs, there is no point in eliminating them either unless you have issues with them (ex: medical, hunger issues, you just hate eating food with carbs, etc...). Not counting calories and doing keto does not guarantee weight loss either, you can still gain weight on keto especially if you are new to this and have no clue how weight loss works. Keto is not some magical weight loss tool, if you lose weight while doing keto, it's not the keto diet that is directly making you lose weight, it's the caloric deficit. And if you do keto, it doesn't guarantee you weight loss either, same thing goes for any other diet like Intermittent Fasting, Paleo, Atkins, Vegan or whatever diet that exist out there.
Like I said in my previous post, chose a diet that will make your weight loss enjoyable...if keto makes your weight loss journey less painful and enjoyable, then so be it and that was my point. There is no one diet miracle, the only thing that guarantees weight loss is caloric deficit when it comes to body composition, unfortunately the only people who debate on that have been users who are loyal to their diets and then claim that their diet is the real way to lose weight.
Who in this thread said... any of what you just said? No one here said that keto guarantees weight loss or that keto is a magical weight loss tool, a diet miracle, the only way to lose weight, etc. Of course caloric deficit is the key to losing weight. You know what makes a caloric deficit really easy to achieve and maintain for a lot of people? Eating a hell of a lot more protein and fat than carbs, because protein and fat take longer to digest and are more satiating, so you eat less even though you're eating to satiation. And as a bonus, because you're eating so much fat and so few carbs, your body soon switches over to using fat as its primary fuel source. Since you're eating at a deficit, it goes straight to your fat stores to make up for the difference, accelerating fat loss. Hello, ketosis.
Yes, you can certainly count calories and still eat bread, that works for plenty of people too. Hell, some people do really well with high-carb diets, more power to them. But there are tons of people who have real issues with control when it comes to processed carbs - you just acknowledged them yourself. The thing is, these aren't strange outliers among the population. Overindulgence in carbs and sugars are very often the reason people become overweight in the first place, which goes to show just how many people have the hunger issues you mentioned when it comes to carbs. There's a reason keto is a popular diet; it breaks the cycle of carb cravings, and it's usually easy to maintain for a long period of time. This guy is interested in giving it a go and asked for advice. I gave it. I suppose I don't understand the point of your initial reply to my advice if you're not just trying to knock keto.12 -
So i have been following a normal diet where i eat less and and also exercise before breakfast, lost 8 Kg in 1 month.
Now i wanna try the Low carb diet, and this is my plan, i just wanna if it will work. (i weight 102 Kg / 180 Cm)
Plan: Boiled eggs for breakfast, Grilled Chicken/Tuna/Steaks for launch and dinner + 30min jogging before breakfast and 10min after. will i get good results?
also how much chicken and tuna i should eat?
We can't say if you will get good results. I would not, on that plan.
Is there a reason you wish to cut out vegetables?
And because I am nosy, why 30 min of jogging before breakfast and 10 min after? I couldn't jog immediately after eating, although some can. I am not saying there can't be a benefit to doing that, I am just curious (as someone who enjoys running) what the purpose would be.2 -
OP, I eat a keto diet (and will for the rest of my life, not only for weight maintenance but for neurological issues).
Here is my advice: if you're going to do a very low carb diet, I beg you to do more research and gather more information before you begin. Currently, you're setting yourself up for failure with a diet that would be both very low carb and also low fat, which means you'll probably be hungry and miserable. Also it sounds bland and repetitive and lacking in some nutrients. You can eat vlc without depriving yourself of delicious food or varied meals!
There are good resources here (the low carb group) and on reddit (the keto subreddit especially). Check them out instead of "winging it". These kinds of haphazard plans are what give low carb diets a bad reputation.7 -
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Try the Low Carber Daily MFP group for knowledgeable low or zero carb advice. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
There is also a Low Carber Carnivore group. It is small but helpful. Years of advice there. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/120342-low-carber-carnivore-club
I have been very low carb (about 20 g carbs a day) for a few years and dabble in carnivore/zero carb too. Most people go this route for health and not for added weight loss. In fact, when I went carnivore I gained almost 10lbs for a while even though I was getting smaller. My body was just getting into its groove.
I felt really good on "zero" carb. Food was easy. Meats, full fat dairy, eggs. Meals like bacon and eggs, cheese, egg and beef casserole, cheeseburger patty with mayo, bacon and a side of bratwurst. One day I had a shrimp ring for lunch....
TBH, I found it REALLY hard to overeat on carnivore. The food was filling. I ended up losing 5lbs after about 5 weeks after I got rid of the initial 10lbs gain, without counting a calorie or trying to lose weight. It was easy. I looked good, my skin and hair was great, my autoimmune issues were fine, my BG was a piece of cake to manage, and BM's were regular and smaller if anything. My macros did not even change much. It went from 70% F/ 20% P/ 5% C to 75/25/0.
The only reason I don't do it everyday is that I like nuts and some veggies, even if my body doesn't. Today I had about 2c of snap peas and about 1 c nuts and I am paying for it: stomach aches, gas, fatigue, and munchies. I'll be back to carnivore to recover.
Animal products are generally a better source for vitamins so you probably won't need extra supplements or a multivitamin. Most carnivores don't bother with them. That includes fibre - it is sort of not needed if you aren't eating plant matter. Plus BMs are usually easier without plants - less bulk and better "greased". Ignore the constipation threats. It rarely happens with zero carb.
It is sustainable if you enjoy it and it works for you. I know a few who have been eating this way for years because it is better for them. It is not as unusual as people seem to think.
https://zerocarbzen.com/
All that being said, You seem to be doing well on a higher carb diet. Feel free to give it a try. Give it a really good try if you have insulin resistance. But low or zero carb is not the only way to weight loss. It's just one way.
Go for it though. Just don't skimp on fat, and make sure you get 3000-5000 mg of sodium per day (there is 2300 mg of sodium in a teaspoon of salt) to avoid the so-called "keto flu" which is actually a completely preventable electrolyte imbalance.
Good luck.
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I am not knocking on keto, but unless you hate carbs, there is no point in eliminating them either unless you have issues with them (ex: medical, hunger issues, you just hate eating food with carbs, etc...). Not counting calories and doing keto does not guarantee weight loss either, you can still gain weight on keto especially if you are new to this and have no clue how weight loss works. Keto is not some magical weight loss tool, if you lose weight while doing keto, it's not the keto diet that is directly making you lose weight, it's the caloric deficit. And if you do keto, it doesn't guarantee you weight loss either, same thing goes for any other diet like Intermittent Fasting, Paleo, Atkins, Vegan or whatever diet that exist out there.
Like I said in my previous post, chose a diet that will make your weight loss enjoyable...if keto makes your weight loss journey less painful and enjoyable, then so be it and that was my point. There is no one diet miracle, the only thing that guarantees weight loss is caloric deficit when it comes to body composition, unfortunately the only people who debate on that have been users who are loyal to their diets and then claim that their diet is the real way to lose weight.
Who in this thread said... any of what you just said? No one here said that keto guarantees weight loss or that keto is a magical weight loss tool, a diet miracle, the only way to lose weight, etc. Of course caloric deficit is the key to losing weight. You know what makes a caloric deficit really easy to achieve and maintain for a lot of people? Eating a hell of a lot more protein and fat than carbs, because protein and fat take longer to digest and are more satiating, so you eat less even though you're eating to satiation. And as a bonus, because you're eating so much fat and so few carbs, your body soon switches over to using fat as its primary fuel source. Since you're eating at a deficit, it goes straight to your fat stores to make up for the difference, accelerating fat loss. Hello, ketosis.
Yes, you can certainly count calories and still eat bread, that works for plenty of people too. Hell, some people do really well with high-carb diets, more power to them. But there are tons of people who have real issues with control when it comes to processed carbs - you just acknowledged them yourself. The thing is, these aren't strange outliers among the population. Overindulgence in carbs and sugars are very often the reason people become overweight in the first place, which goes to show just how many people have the hunger issues you mentioned when it comes to carbs. There's a reason keto is a popular diet; it breaks the cycle of carb cravings, and it's usually easy to maintain for a long period of time. This guy is interested in giving it a go and asked for advice. I gave it. I suppose I don't understand the point of your initial reply to my advice if you're not just trying to knock keto.
Your body burns bodyfat without ketosis too.
And if someone overeats sweets and candy, "they have a hunger problem" is the last thing I'd think. No one eats sweets because they're hungry.12 -
stevencloser wrote: »I am not knocking on keto, but unless you hate carbs, there is no point in eliminating them either unless you have issues with them (ex: medical, hunger issues, you just hate eating food with carbs, etc...). Not counting calories and doing keto does not guarantee weight loss either, you can still gain weight on keto especially if you are new to this and have no clue how weight loss works. Keto is not some magical weight loss tool, if you lose weight while doing keto, it's not the keto diet that is directly making you lose weight, it's the caloric deficit. And if you do keto, it doesn't guarantee you weight loss either, same thing goes for any other diet like Intermittent Fasting, Paleo, Atkins, Vegan or whatever diet that exist out there.
Like I said in my previous post, chose a diet that will make your weight loss enjoyable...if keto makes your weight loss journey less painful and enjoyable, then so be it and that was my point. There is no one diet miracle, the only thing that guarantees weight loss is caloric deficit when it comes to body composition, unfortunately the only people who debate on that have been users who are loyal to their diets and then claim that their diet is the real way to lose weight.
Who in this thread said... any of what you just said? No one here said that keto guarantees weight loss or that keto is a magical weight loss tool, a diet miracle, the only way to lose weight, etc. Of course caloric deficit is the key to losing weight. You know what makes a caloric deficit really easy to achieve and maintain for a lot of people? Eating a hell of a lot more protein and fat than carbs, because protein and fat take longer to digest and are more satiating, so you eat less even though you're eating to satiation. And as a bonus, because you're eating so much fat and so few carbs, your body soon switches over to using fat as its primary fuel source. Since you're eating at a deficit, it goes straight to your fat stores to make up for the difference, accelerating fat loss. Hello, ketosis.
Yes, you can certainly count calories and still eat bread, that works for plenty of people too. Hell, some people do really well with high-carb diets, more power to them. But there are tons of people who have real issues with control when it comes to processed carbs - you just acknowledged them yourself. The thing is, these aren't strange outliers among the population. Overindulgence in carbs and sugars are very often the reason people become overweight in the first place, which goes to show just how many people have the hunger issues you mentioned when it comes to carbs. There's a reason keto is a popular diet; it breaks the cycle of carb cravings, and it's usually easy to maintain for a long period of time. This guy is interested in giving it a go and asked for advice. I gave it. I suppose I don't understand the point of your initial reply to my advice if you're not just trying to knock keto.
Your body burns bodyfat without ketosis too.
And if someone overeats sweets and candy, "they have a hunger problem" is the last thing I'd think. No one eats sweets because they're hungry.
Also in a high fat/ low carb ketogenic diet, most of the fat burned is dietary fat. So, it still comes down to CICO for weight loss. Beyond that, it all a matter of preference and satiety.8 -
I'd also like to note, as it seems it needs noting periodically, that satiety is entirely individual.You know what makes a caloric deficit really easy to achieve and maintain for a lot of people? Eating a hell of a lot more protein and fat than carbs, because protein and fat take longer to digest and are more satiating, so you eat less even though you're eating to satiation.
This is not a universally true statement. Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few posters in these forums who are satiated by carbs and either protein or fat. In fact, I'm one of them.
I struggled for the past year with a major problem with satiety and cravings which led to binges because I cut carbs trying to lose those pesky last few pounds and all of my problems went away when I added starchy carbs (like whole grains, legumes, and tubers) back into my diet.
I eat a very low fat diet, around 40 grams a day seems to be my sweet spot. Lower than that I get cravings, higher than that cuts out calories for carbs/protein and I get cravings. I get around 115 grams of protein a day, and the rest is all carbs. I eat and lose on around 1750-1800 calories. That's a lot of carbs. A good bit is veggies, fruit, and dairy, but a nice bit is starch.
A bit of an overshare but I thought I'd illustrate how macro balance plays out for satiety and compliance for someone who's down to the last few pounds. Someone reading along might find it helpful. It also serves to illustrate that any macro balance can help regulate appetite/cravings if you experiment and find the right one for you and that it's entirely individual.
OP, find a macro balance that satisfies you. I've had several different ones along the way, and have had to change them to meet the demands of an increasingly busy exercise schedule. I've found that the more active I am, the more carbs I've needed to fuel that activity. I did, at one time, eat a higher fat diet and was okay with that, but I was pretty sedentary at the time.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'd also like to note, as it seems it needs noting periodically, that satiety is entirely individual.You know what makes a caloric deficit really easy to achieve and maintain for a lot of people? Eating a hell of a lot more protein and fat than carbs, because protein and fat take longer to digest and are more satiating, so you eat less even though you're eating to satiation.
This is not a universally true statement. Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few posters in these forums who are satiated by carbs and either protein or fat. In fact, I'm one of them.
Yes. Indeed, hunger is not my issue when I eat a reasonable diet of any macro mix (for me mostly meaning it has vegetables, protein). The two breakfasts I've had that left me hungry before lunch (I'm distinguishing between hunger and just wanting to eat here) that were around the calories 250-400 I might normally have for lunch were when I used to sometimes grab a muffin (fat and carbs, all refined, no veg) and when I've been at a mediocre hotel buffet with inadequate vegetables and had just eggs and bacon. The latter does not fill me up without something more -- too high fat, even though it has some protein too.
Despite this, I like a low carb diet, because I find that if I have enough vegetables and protein in my diet I can be very flexible as to how I spend the remaining calories and having more fat tends to make me less likely to be interested in eating between meals, to find an easier time just sticking to my calories. Perhaps because my meals feel more indulgent, I dunno. I think fat does have a role in satisfying me, but it's not about hunger.
Like stevencloser, I think it's odd to suggest people would choose high cal sweets or soda or candy or what not (including lots of so called high carb foods that are as much fat as carbs, like chips) to deal with hunger when mostly they are eating those foods because they like them and if hunger were the issue surely they'd try other things.
I do think that if you can stay disciplined enough to eat only meat (or meat and eggs) you probably lose weight -- not because meat is non fattening, but because one thing that makes controlling calories challenging is variety and it's really hard to overeat on ANY mono diet. That's why the egg fast (ugh) works, and why that guy lost on the only potatoes diet, although only potatoes is a very high carb diet (and not one I'd recommend any more than I'd recommend cutting out vegetables).0 -
I am merely saying that there other options other than keto...it's only people like you who go insane when we suggest other options. You still don't get my whole message and I made it clear many times that people should choose a diet that they enjoy...period...There is not just keto when it comes to weight loss, but everytime I mention other options, you go out and do the best in defending your love for keto. We get it, it works for you, you enjoy it, I get that...I am just saying to the OP that there other routes too and that in the end, there is no one fail proof diet. Just because you enjoy keto, it doesn't mean the OP will. It's all personal preference, no need for you to get on your high horses.
Go insane? On my high horse? Buddy, you responded to my advice to OP with, "...and this is why I don't go keto...too much rules for nothing," which is weirdly defensive when I wasn't even addressing you and the topic of discussion was literally low-carb. Then you put all these words in my mouth. Where did I go insane because you suggested alternatives? I didn't. Just like I never suggested it's a miracle diet or the only diet that works or anything of that nature that you pulled out of nowhere. I have even repeatedly stated it's not for everyone and of course there are other options. Did you just ignore that?
It sounds like you have probably met some fanatical keto enthusiasts and you are hardcore projecting that onto me. I am not, anywhere, being fanatical about keto. I have only addressed your direct or implied criticisms about the advice I offered or about how keto affects the body, because you brought it up. You keep insisting you're not knocking keto and are just trying to offer other options... to an OP who specifically asked about low carb. No one asked for other options, but I'm sure OP is aware they exist.
Maybe ask yourself why you feel the need to jump in at the mere mention of low-carb/keto and make sure everyone knows there are other options. Do you also go into paleo or IF forums to enlighten them about the wonders of calorie counting? Or are you just specifically weird about keto?stevencloser wrote: »Your body burns bodyfat without ketosis too.
And if someone overeats sweets and candy, "they have a hunger problem" is the last thing I'd think. No one eats sweets because they're hungry.
Yes, of course your body burns body fat without ketosis. Any caloric deficit will work. The point is, if you're still eating a good amount of carbs, your body will use that as fuel first, then look to stored fat. If there are no carbs to burn, your body will look to stored fat first. That's the very medical definition of what ketosis is.
People eat bread, pasta, and rice dishes because they're hungry, then have dessert because they're still not quite full, and then they're hungry again far too soon because they digested it all too quickly. Maybe they'll have another piece of cake... This is such a common issue, I'm not sure why anyone would try to deny its existence.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'd also like to note, as it seems it needs noting periodically, that satiety is entirely individual.You know what makes a caloric deficit really easy to achieve and maintain for a lot of people? Eating a hell of a lot more protein and fat than carbs, because protein and fat take longer to digest and are more satiating, so you eat less even though you're eating to satiation.
This is not a universally true statement. Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few posters in these forums who are satiated by carbs and either protein or fat. In fact, I'm one of them.
Absolutely. Many people do very well on high-carb diets, as I mentioned previously. I very much believe that we have differences in physiology and various diets affect us differently. There's no one "right" diet for all people. I was merely explaining how, for many people, keto achieves an easy caloric deficit in response to the criticism that keto isn't "magic" and only a caloric deficit works.8 -
Point of order regarding this:The point is, if you're still eating a good amount of carbs, your body will use that as fuel first, then look to stored fat. If there are no carbs to burn, your body will look to stored fat first. That's the very medical definition of what ketosis is.
No, your body will not burn stored fat right away on low carb. It will burn circulating fat, just like it burns circulating glucose in people eating carbs. This is where the myth of "higher fact oxidation" on low carb diets comes from. It's not about higher stored fat oxidation. It's about circulating/dietary fat oxidation.11 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Point of order regarding this:The point is, if you're still eating a good amount of carbs, your body will use that as fuel first, then look to stored fat. If there are no carbs to burn, your body will look to stored fat first. That's the very medical definition of what ketosis is.
No, your body will not burn stored fat right away on low carb. It will burn circulating fat, just like it burns circulating glucose in people eating carbs. This is where the myth of "higher fact oxidation" on low carb diets comes from. It's not about higher stored fat oxidation. It's about circulating/dietary fat oxidation.
Keto people sometimes seem to miss the point that fat oxidation goes up because of higher fat intake. That's how it works. Keto is not magic.6 -
People eat bread, pasta, and rice dishes because they're hungry, then have dessert because they're still not quite full, and then they're hungry again far too soon because they digested it all too quickly. Maybe they'll have another piece of cake... This is such a common issue, I'm not sure why anyone would try to deny its existence.
I think it's entirely inaccurate (and I'm low carb).
People have bread, pasta, and rice with protein and vegetables (if they are sensible) or with whatever else they like (for example, many high fat pasta dishes that are common in US restaurants, like Alfredo or carbonara).
They cannot finish their meals because they are SO STUFFED, and then it's dessert time and the menu looks great, so they order dessert.
You know when else I've done this or seen it happen? At a steak place, even with a meal of steak (insanely ginormous piece of steak, often) and asparagus with butter. Or with people doing keto who want a keto dessert.
I do not believe people typically get dessert to deal with hunger.
As for the "hungry too soon later"? I doubt that. That was certainly never my issue.
Meal I commonly had when needing a fast dinner and on 1250-1500 calories (before I was low carb): pasta plus veg and lean meat. I'd make a serving (2 oz) of pasta and -- because it was super fast -- sautee some vegetables (whatever I had) in olive oil with whatever meat was on hand (shrimp is great, smoked salmon is easy, but so is chicken). Add extras if I want and have calories, not if I don't. Not low carb, pasta based, and I was NEVER hungry after, even on 1250.
Do people eat a second piece of cake or second cookie because "hungry"? Again, I doubt it.
Also, how often do you think people are consuming cake? Even when I was eating without regard for calories, I had cake like maybe 3 times a year. How often does it come up? Before low carb were you ordering multiple pieces of cake at a restaurant (I have NEVER seen someone order a second dessert at a restaurant -- portions are large, but people don't do that) or bringing home cakes from a bakery nightly?
I like to bake for holidays, but never just whip up a cake for no reason. It's too much work.6 -
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stevencloser wrote: »Your body burns bodyfat without ketosis too.
And if someone overeats sweets and candy, "they have a hunger problem" is the last thing I'd think. No one eats sweets because they're hungry.
Yes, of course your body burns body fat without ketosis. Any caloric deficit will work. The point is, if you're still eating a good amount of carbs, your body will use that as fuel first, then look to stored fat. If there are no carbs to burn, your body will look to stored fat first. That's the very medical definition of what ketosis is.
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No, the medical definition of what ketosis is the following: There's not enough glucose available from glycogen stores or food intake to fuel your brain, so your liver starts to create more glucose to meet the needs, this happens to utilize a chemical which is also needed to burn fat (called oxaloacetate). Since the liver is now unable to burn fat (since keeping you alive through creating the glucose you need to live is a little bit more important), it instead turns the circulating fatty acids(from bodyfat AND FOOD) to ketone bodies and sends them elsewhere to be burned.
And no, your body will not use carbs as fuel first. Your body does not have a checklist of things to do in order. Your body will always use all it gets together with more priority on some things than others. And as it happens, when you're just sitting around, having just eaten a big meal and not doing any form of physically straining activity, most of your energy needs will be met with fat.6
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