Ketogenic Diet

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  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    @wonderflair the study states the sucrose is what increased tumor growth. sucrose is found in dates,sugar beets,peas,mangoes and peaches.sucrose occurs naturally in all fruits and some veggies, so to me thats saying you should avoid those foods to avoid them to prevent tumor growth,it also states fructose, again naturally occurring in fruits and veggies. It also states-How dietary sucrose and fructose induces 12-HETE and whether it has a direct or indirect effect remains in question.” so that means the verdict is still out and they arent sure. On another note everyone has cells in their body that can become cancerous. whether or not they are activated is another thing. anything can trigger it.

    with this study that is like saying that those who are vegan or vegetarian would likely have a higher risk factor of cancer because they are eating a lot of fructose and sucrose which is found in the plant foods they eat. so if they have tumors they will grow because of it.

    which is why I said that you are basically telling people to just eat meats,fats and oils because what is left that doesnt contain these sugars?. years ago red meat causes cancer and allowed tumors to grow and now its sugar in any form? I mean come on. It doesnt matter how you eat if you are going to get cancer you are going to get it,some people again may have genetic issues that may cause them to be a higher risk but doesnt mean they will develop it.

    I have done it(keto) in the past(before I knew I had a certain health issue) and it made me so sick I could not even get out of bed or do anything around the house, and raised my cholesterol through the roof due to my health issue. Id rather eat my high carbs and low fat which makes me feel better and my cholesterol is now normal as well as several other health markers. If someone has healthy issues and want to try keto I am not knocking it as I said it can help with some health issues. But I am not going to believe studies done on rats when over time those studies are often revisited and found to be bunk, like eggs causing cholesterol to rise and being bad for your heart now its fine unless you have a condition like mine. If you want to eat keto then eat keto thats your choice but its not a special diet unless you have the issues that is has been PROVEN to treat(not cure or prevent).
  • wonderflair
    wonderflair Posts: 19 Member
    @CharlieBeansmomTracey - I am truly sorry you had such a bad experience with Keto. I am also glad you've discovered your underlying health issue, and have hopefully found a way of eating and living in which you thrive. <3 I am certain there are many diets that would be contraindicated for people with any number of health problems. I totally agree that everyone has to do what works for them. I, too, am reluctant to put faith in preliminary studies, but as I know that familial ALS is potentially in my genetics since 2 of my aunts have passed away from it, I continue to be hopeful when it comes to diets and treatments.

    Keto has resulted in changes in my body composition years of CICO and intense workouts could not achieve. Metabolic and inflammatory issues can be difficult to diagnose and treat, but for me, Keto has done what nothing else could. Doctors and nutritionists both oversimplified and shamed me, claiming it must be too many calories, or LYING, or a very slim chance of too FEW calories. This resulted in a huge mistrust of my body, and the disappointment that it was betraying me. There is no guessing with Keto. If it is working, measurements/weight/health improve. Period. Keto has taught me to again trust my body. When it signals hunger, I know that I am hungry. When I crave salty foods, I know I need salt for my electrolyte levels. I even seem to know when I need a few more carbs, or fat, or protein. I trust my body. I am grateful to it for the incredible work it has done to carry and nurture my babies. And while I am thankful for the weight loss and better health, I am so grateful to Keto for restoring that relationship.

    We are all so varied as humans, with experiences and environments that affect us all differently, and we should each find the path that works for us. ;)
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    wonderflair wrote: »
    @CharlieBeansmomTracey - I am truly sorry you had such a bad experience with Keto. I am also glad you've discovered your underlying health issue, and have hopefully found a way of eating and living in which you thrive. <3 I am certain there are many diets that would be contraindicated for people with any number of health problems. I totally agree that everyone has to do what works for them. I, too, am reluctant to put faith in preliminary studies, but as I know that familial ALS is potentially in my genetics since 2 of my aunts have passed away from it, I continue to be hopeful when it comes to diets and treatments.

    Keto has resulted in changes in my body composition years of CICO and intense workouts could not achieve. Metabolic and inflammatory issues can be difficult to diagnose and treat, but for me, Keto has done what nothing else could. Doctors and nutritionists both oversimplified and shamed me, claiming it must be too many calories, or LYING, or a very slim chance of too FEW calories. This resulted in a huge mistrust of my body, and the disappointment that it was betraying me. There is no guessing with Keto. If it is working, measurements/weight/health improve. Period. Keto has taught me to again trust my body. When it signals hunger, I know that I am hungry. When I crave salty foods, I know I need salt for my electrolyte levels. I even seem to know when I need a few more carbs, or fat, or protein. I trust my body. I am grateful to it for the incredible work it has done to carry and nurture my babies. And while I am thankful for the weight loss and better health, I am so grateful to Keto for restoring that relationship.

    We are all so varied as humans, with experiences and environments that affect us all differently, and we should each find the path that works for us. ;)

    I am glad it works for you and I dont have anything against keto or any diet as long as its a healthy one.I know ALS is awful. I had a family friend die from complications from it a few years ago. he suffered and he was a man who was always busy and active, I have RA so I know about the inflammatory issues and thankfully mine arent bad yet. lifting and working out keeps the pain and other issues at bay for me. no meds yet.
  • jasonsdad1
    jasonsdad1 Posts: 2 Member
    wow, this is the first thread I have read through, and I must say, it will be my last. So much misinformation, baloney, and bickering, I am completely turned off. Thank you folks, best of luck!!
  • drgnfyre
    drgnfyre Posts: 45 Member
    For me keto makes me feel better and I don't feel hungry. So, in that sense it helps me lose weight, because I don't have cravings and i don't over eat. I also am allergic to a LOT of carbs including grains fruit n veg. So for me, this makes sense. Before I started, people told me i would die if I did keto, i would actually GAIN weight, I would get sick, and all kinds of scare tactics. While everyone is different, and someone might do better eating different foods, I am glad I didn't listen to the nay sayers and I tried it for myself. But I didn't do it to loose weight, I did it because i needed a lifestyle that would work around my food allergies and weight loss from lack of hunger and fatigue was a bonus. But, I eat less calories now than I used to. If i ate more calories I am sure I would have gained. You can loose weight not matter what you eat so long as you make a calorie deficit. However, keto is a TOOL that helps me do this w/o feeling hungry and without feeling like i am missing out on life. Don't feel like there is only one answer to the loosing weight problem, but don't be discourage either because someone tried to scare you off it. Bottom line is, make sure that your happy eating w/e it is you eating.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    drgnfyre wrote: »
    For me keto makes me feel better and I don't feel hungry. So, in that sense it helps me lose weight, because I don't have cravings and i don't over eat. I also am allergic to a LOT of carbs including grains fruit n veg. So for me, this makes sense. Before I started, people told me i would die if I did keto, i would actually GAIN weight, I would get sick, and all kinds of scare tactics. While everyone is different, and someone might do better eating different foods, I am glad I didn't listen to the nay sayers and I tried it for myself. But I didn't do it to loose weight, I did it because i needed a lifestyle that would work around my food allergies and weight loss from lack of hunger and fatigue was a bonus. But, I eat less calories now than I used to. If i ate more calories I am sure I would have gained. You can loose weight not matter what you eat so long as you make a calorie deficit. However, keto is a TOOL that helps me do this w/o feeling hungry and without feeling like i am missing out on life. Don't feel like there is only one answer to the loosing weight problem, but don't be discourage either because someone tried to scare you off it. Bottom line is, make sure that your happy eating w/e it is you eating.

    the people that told you you would die probably dont know the difference between ketogenic diet and ketoacidosis. many think ketones are a bad thing. its not but for some who dont control their diabetes keto can be harmful,it can also be harmful to those who cant tolerate high fats for health reasons.but for the majority its not harmful
  • MelodiousMermaid
    MelodiousMermaid Posts: 380 Member
    Love the last post. I'm also sorry I allowed myself to be baited.

    I just realized I never posted the actual pounds I've lost. 29 is my magic number right now (fat lost is different, as I've been building strength/endurance!). I've been doing this since mid-May, but I've also taken a couple of cheat days here and there that I know broke the chain. It is what it is.

    All I know is what I've seen "out there" and what I've done. I was inspired to try it when I saw the research that showed it was helping others in big ways with various conditions (even though I don't have any of the various conditions). I was thankful I pushed through the adjustment period when I realized how good it made me feel, how it has given me freedom and still allowed a great variety in foods (other than grains/potatoes, though I've found "substitutes" for them in other veggies/seeds). I have even done well enough in my dietary diversity and control to get my nutritionist's blessing (she is very "old school" in her thinking)!

    My advice to anyone thinking about it with a reasonable degree of sincerity is to give it a try. Success is indeed possible! It has proven to be beneficial for various reasons, and if it is done right, it is sustainable. If you give it a good, true try (a few months with necessary adjustments/troubleshooting as you go) and find that it's not doing what you need it to do, then you'll know you gave it a good effort and it's not your match. If you run into a stumbling block, reach out to others who are doing keto.

    P.S. If you need keto-friendly chocolate in your life, I've got a recipe I'd be happy to share -- message me!

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