Example of why people keep asking the same old questions...
piperdown44
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It's no wonder we see the same old "sugar detox", "carbs bad", "fats bad", etc when you have an article like this on cnn....SMH
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/09/health/sugar-detox-food-drayer/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/09/health/sugar-detox-food-drayer/index.html
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Consuming artificial sweeteners causes "you not only (to) store more fat," Lustig explained, "you also end up overeating later on to compensate for the increased energy storage."
Would he just go away already? How does he get away with saying such utter tripe?
The more I parse that sentence, the less sense it makes.8 -
Oh, and this quote:"By the fourth day, an apple tastes like candy," Alpert said. "The onions are sweet! Almonds are sweet! Once you take sugar away from your diet cold turkey, your palate recalibrates, and you start tasting natural sugars again."
reinforces a theory of mine.
This quote, or something like it, always appears in anti-sugar articles. It's always repeated in sugar detox threads. Everyone who gives up sugar suddenly "discovers" that fruit is sweet.
I, and other users who still eat sugar are puzzled by this, because to us, fruit is now and always has been sweet. Heck, there are vegetables that are sweet. I have a discriminating palate. I can tell when I get a sweet cucumber, for example. Cherry tomatoes are like candy. Like the piece said, I know almonds are sweet. And yet, I eat sugar.
Could it be, maybe, I haven't fallen for some line telling me that I have to give up sugar in order to really appreciate the fact that all these other things are sweet? Hmmmmm.....31 -
The lie has been bought into lock, stock, and barrel that certain foods or ingredients must be forbidden. Honestly, we will never be rid of it. All we can do is patiently explain.4
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I have been watching my sugar and corn out of a can tasted sweet. There is a lot of truth to the article. We are consuming way too much sugar.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Oh, and this quote:
reinforces a theory of mine.
This quote, or something like it, always appears in anti-sugar articles. It's always repeated in sugar detox threads. Everyone who gives up sugar suddenly "discovers" that fruit is sweet.
I, and other users who still eat sugar are puzzled by this, because to us, fruit is now and always has been sweet. Heck, there are vegetables that are sweet. I have a discriminating palate. I can tell when I get a sweet cucumber, for example. Cherry tomatoes are like candy. Like the piece said, I know almonds are sweet. And yet, I eat sugar.
Could it be, maybe, I haven't fallen for some line telling me that I have to give up sugar in order to really appreciate the fact that all these other things are sweet? Hmmmmm.....
So much truth in this! I just munched on grape tomatoes and carrots and they were both super sweet. It's not candy (which is sometimes too sweet), but it's definitely sweet. I'm a total sugar lover, too, so it's not like the veggies only taste sweet because I don't eat sugar.3 -
So much truth in this! I just munched on grape tomatoes and carrots and they were both super sweet. It's not candy (which is sometimes too sweet), but it's definitely sweet. I'm a total sugar lover, too, so it's not like the veggies only taste sweet because I don't eat sugar.
Me too! I eat regular ice cream, candy, flavored yogurt, regular and diet soda regularly. I find tomatoes, carrots, red grapes, corn, peaches, nectarines, winter squash, and ripe bananas VERY sweet. I recently was served fresh peaches over vanilla ice cream and found the peaches were sweeter than the ice cream. People really want there to be a dietary boogeyman.5 -
I do consume some sugar and I used to be a huge diet soda drinker. Since I stopped drinking soda, I can tolerate a lot less sweetness. For example, I can drink iced tea with no sugar or artificial sweetener and it tastes fine whereas it used to taste disgusting. This happened gradually, not overnight. For me, it definitely felt like my tastebuds have recalibrated.9
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Oh, and this quote:
reinforces a theory of mine.
This quote, or something like it, always appears in anti-sugar articles. It's always repeated in sugar detox threads. Everyone who gives up sugar suddenly "discovers" that fruit is sweet.
I, and other users who still eat sugar are puzzled by this, because to us, fruit is now and always has been sweet. Heck, there are vegetables that are sweet. I have a discriminating palate. I can tell when I get a sweet cucumber, for example. Cherry tomatoes are like candy. Like the piece said, I know almonds are sweet. And yet, I eat sugar.
Could it be, maybe, I haven't fallen for some line telling me that I have to give up sugar in order to really appreciate the fact that all these other things are sweet? Hmmmmm.....
Yup.
As I've said before, not only did I appreciate the sweetness of fruit when I ate more sugary foods (and fail to appreciate them more when I gave up added sugar for a while), I find it entirely possible to enjoy some sweet foods while finding others too sweet and not enjoying sugar in places that to me it does not belong (like honey mustard, ugh, or sweetened coffee!).
The time of year I eat the most sweet stuff is around Christmas, and I also eat a lot of clementines around then, and find them -- wait for it! -- extremely sweet and delicious.1 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »I have been watching my sugar and corn out of a can tasted sweet. There is a lot of truth to the article. We are consuming way too much sugar.
I can eat corn while sipping soda and can still enjoy the sweetness of corn.
I can go back and forth between a sweet drink and something like unsweetened iced tea without issues.
Everything in moderation.6 -
I just read the article. It's bad enough to brainwash adults, but poor kids!5
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
Yup.
As I've said before, not only did I appreciate the sweetness of fruit when I ate more sugary foods (and fail to appreciate them more when I gave up added sugar for a while), I find it entirely possible to enjoy some sweet foods while finding others too sweet and not enjoying sugar in places that to me it does not belong (like honey mustard, ugh, or sweetened coffee!).
The time of year I eat the most sweet stuff is around Christmas, and I also eat a lot of clementines around then, and find them -- wait for it! -- extremely sweet and delicious.
Do you buy those adorable boxes of Clementines? I wait for them around that time of year, because that's when they're at the most delicious.1 -
I can eat corn while sipping soda and can still enjoy the sweetness of corn.
I can go back and forth between a sweet drink and something like unsweetened iced tea without issues.
Everything in moderation.
There used to be a local gelato place here that made a Jersey Silver Queen gelato. Because Jersey Silver Queen corn is that sweet. It was probably the best gelato I've ever had.
I can't wait until it's in season.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
Do you buy those adorable boxes of Clementines? I wait for them around that time of year, because that's when they're at the most delicious.
My family tears through those boxes of clementines like a tornado through the Midwest.
Same here, I eat sweet stuff, but can easily taste the sweetness in fruits and vegetables.
It just really irked me that this was up towards the top of the page on cnn.com. Not to mention while standing in line at the grocery store and there's all these magazines essentially saying the same damn thing, plus lines like "Go Low Carb and Loose that Baby Weight" and a whole bunch of other ridiculous headlines. I mean, it's no wonder people are confused!0 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »I have been watching my sugar and corn out of a can tasted sweet. There is a lot of truth to the article. We are consuming way too much sugar.
Who is this "we" you're talking about?5 -
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »I have been watching my sugar and corn out of a can tasted sweet. There is a lot of truth to the article. We are consuming way too much sugar.
Check the label. There's a reason that corn tasted sweet, and it wasn't the fact that you've been cutting sugar out.
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Check the label. There's a reason that corn tasted sweet, and it wasn't the fact that you've been cutting sugar out.
Yep. 7g ofsugar in a serving of no salt added canned corn.
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Check the label. There's a reason that corn tasted sweet, and it wasn't the fact that you've been cutting sugar out.
Also the reason it's used in making delicious whiskeys and bourbons, lots of fermentable sugars.
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piperdown44 wrote: »
Also the reason it's used in making delicious whiskeys and bourbons, lots of fermentable sugars.
And Soft drinks and candy.
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Corn. I had no idea it had so much natural sugar. I'm still learning. Time to read labels. I wonder if there is corn that is NOT sweet. And I hope that corn has never been manipulated to be sweeter.0
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »Corn. I had no idea it had so much natural sugar. I'm still learning. Time to read labels. I wonder if there is corn that is NOT sweet. And I hope that corn has never been manipulated to be sweeter.
High fructose corn syrup...corn most definitely is made into a sweetener.
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »Corn. I had no idea it had so much natural sugar. I'm still learning. Time to read labels. I wonder if there is corn that is NOT sweet. And I hope that corn has never been manipulated to be sweeter.
All fruits and veggies have been manipulated by selective breeding since humans started farming.
There is corn that isn't sweet. It's usually made into things like corn meal and animal feed.5 -
All fruits and veggies have been manipulated by selective breeding since humans started farming.
There is corn that isn't sweet. It's usually made into things like corn meal and animal feed.
Hominy
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I was just reading this MFP blog, interesting comments from nutritionists about how cutting out entire food groups or eliminating foods will do the opposite of helping you lose weight:
[The 11 Most Common Weight-Loss Blunders Dietitians See | MyFitnessPal](http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/common-weight-loss-blunders-dietitians-see/)0 -
All fruits and veggies have been manipulated by selective breeding since humans started farming.
There is corn that isn't sweet. It's usually made into things like corn meal and animal feed.
For those that didn't grow up on farms, field corn isn't as sweet, nor as good but makes great silage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Rather have bourbon.....3 -
vlnielsen519 wrote: »I was just reading this MFP blog, interesting comments from nutritionists about how cutting out entire food groups or eliminating foods will do the opposite of helping you lose weight:
[The 11 Most Common Weight-Loss Blunders Dietitians See | MyFitnessPal](http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/common-weight-loss-blunders-dietitians-see/)
I learned a long time ago to ignore the blogs from MFP. They're often written by someone with an agenda and/or who looks at health/fitness/nutrition from a singular point of view.2 -
I learned a long time ago to ignore the blogs from MFP. They're often written by someone with an agenda and/or who looks at health/fitness/nutrition from a singular point of view.
You could easily extrapolate that to 99% of the internet, which is why I read so little of it anymore. I don't have time to parse all of the available research, so I'm screwed once the likes of Lyle McDonald are gone.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
You could easily extrapolate that to 99% of the internet, which is why I read so little of it anymore. I don't have time to parse all of the available research, so I'm screwed once the likes of Lyle McDonald are gone.
No argument from me.2 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »I have been watching my sugar and corn out of a can tasted sweet. There is a lot of truth to the article. We are consuming way too much sugar.
I never eat corn out of a can, but I currently have a ton of corn on the cob, and as always corn tastes sweet. That's why it's sweet corn. Corn has a lot of natural sugar, it is sweet. You don't need to cut all added sugar out of one's diet to taste it.
Edit: I see it was all covered above. I love corn discussions, so am sad I missed it.
And yeah, sweet corn (although it's usually just called corn in the US) is the kind we eat. The kind for animals and so on is much less sweet, you probably wouldn't enjoy it so much, at least on its own (it's in stuff).0
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