Diet pills and supplements
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Not good at quoting, so hopefully the person who asked is still reading.
Contrave is a combo of Wellbutrin and Naltrexone.
Wellbutrin, unlike most mainline antidepressants, is not an SSRI. In fact, Wellbutrin is usually prescribed as an alternative to people who gain weight on other antidepressants. It has also been used off label to treat food cravings, specifically emotional eating, for decades. In terms of clinical evidence, Wellbutrin does have an effect over placebo, but not more than obesity specific pills.
Naltrexone is an opiod antagonist which, long story short, takes away the euphoric feelings associated with opiod based drugs/meds. It has also been also shown to significantly control cravings for those that suffer from alcoholism. Naltrexone is not Naloxone (narcan) which reverses the effects.
Essentially, the combination of these medications is hoped to dull cravings by working in concert by affecting neurotransmitters and hormones in the amygdala and nucleus accumbens respectively (emotional and reward center).
I would be hard pressed to call this a "diet pill". This will dull cravings, but will not act as an appetite suppressant. It has no stimulant affect. You must watch what and how much you eat. That being said, I'm sure you could consider this cheating if you wanted to. It does have an effect on your brain chemistry.
I'm not on this, just figured I'd lay it out there for anyone who was interested.1 -
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I take biotin, a multivitamin, and fish oil. But I have no idea why because I think they are useless.
I think I just can't wrap my head around throwing them out. Not repurchasing the first two for sure. Not certain on the fish oil. Anyone have thoughts on fish oil for omegas?0 -
Are specific supplements alright to take? For example I don't get a lot of potassium, so would it be alright to take that in supplemental form? A lot of things high in potassium I don't enjoy eating yikes0
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I believe certain diet pills work...initially. Back over 20 years ago I was doing aerobics classes 3 times a week and watching my fat intake while taking Xenadrine. I lost around 40 pounds. It took about 4 years to add that weight back on. The 2nd time around with Xenadrine no weight loss, but still the desire to work out. I was doing an at home ab workout and developed uncontrollable abdominal muscle spasms that freaked me out so bad I threw the bottle away and decided I'd never take them again.
Now around 2010 I started Adipex (Phentermine) with a regular gym routine. I was happy, energized, and positive! I cleaned my clean house and loved to exercise. I didn't want or need for junk food and sweets. Adipex really does have some type of chemical make-up that keeps that in check. I've never tried Speed or Crack or Meth, but I've heard of people resorting to these types of drugs to get the same effect (crazy). I was a part of a weight-loss program where I received monthly B12 injections and weigh-ins with a Board Certified physician. I lost approximately 50lbs and felt great. When it was time to discontinue (3 months) I was nervous, but decided I could continue the weight loss without the meds. Wrong. I ate right, took my supplements, exercised the same.....but the weight slowly started to come back on. I didn't have the same energy or desire and eventually over 2 years time, put back on 40 plus pounds and actually got up to my highest weight ever. I did try Adipex again after that, no weight changes and diminished desire to work out. I don't want to get caught up in some addiction, so because it is a controlled medication I said NOPE, I'm done.
Now a few years later after skipping the gym for a few years, I've decided to count MACROS and continue to exercise at least 3-4 times a week. I'm taking daily B12, Magnesium Citrate,Vitamin E&C, and Fish Oil. I'm more conscious of what I'm eating and how much I'm exercising. I see the scale changing little by little and my attitude is different this time around.
So in my experience, diet pills can work, but mostly for a quick fix.9 -
deeniedarlinn wrote: »I believe certain diet pills work...initially. Back over 20 years ago I was doing aerobics classes 3 times a week and watching my fat intake while taking Xenadrine. I lost around 40 pounds. It took about 4 years to add that weight back on. The 2nd time around with Xenadrine no weight loss, but still the desire to work out. I was doing an at home ab workout and developed uncontrollable abdominal muscle spasms that freaked me out so bad I threw the bottle away and decided I'd never take them again.
Now around 2010 I started Adipex (Phentermine) with a regular gym routine. I was happy, energized, and positive! I cleaned my clean house and loved to exercise. I didn't want or need for junk food and sweets. Adipex really does have some type of chemical make-up that keeps that in check. I've never tried Speed or Crack or Meth, but I've heard of people resorting to these types of drugs to get the same effect (crazy). I was a part of a weight-loss program where I received monthly B12 injections and weigh-ins with a Board Certified physician. I lost approximately 50lbs and felt great. When it was time to discontinue (3 months) I was nervous, but decided I could continue the weight loss without the meds. Wrong. I ate right, took my supplements, exercised the same.....but the weight slowly started to come back on. I didn't have the same energy or desire and eventually over 2 years time, put back on 40 plus pounds and actually got up to my highest weight ever. I did try Adipex again after that, no weight changes and diminished desire to work out. I don't want to get caught up in some addiction, so because it is a controlled medication I said NOPE, I'm done.
Now a few years later after skipping the gym for a few years, I've decided to count MACROS and continue to exercise at least 3-4 times a week. I'm taking daily B12, Magnesium Citrate,Vitamin E&C, and Fish Oil. I'm more conscious of what I'm eating and how much I'm exercising. I see the scale changing little by little and my attitude is different this time around.
So in my experience, diet pills can work, but mostly for a quick fix.
Considering that between 20 years ago... and 4 years later... the Xenadrine formula changed... It's totally understandable that it wasn't effective the second time.2 -
I am not ashamed to say I am a long time user of Hydroxycut Max for Women (not the pro clinical one). A lot of people say they make them feel jittery but it's mostly caffeine so I don't take them before I eat, I take them 15 minutes to an hour before I work out. They really help me get through some seriously tough workouts. I work 55 - 70 hours every week so without them, I don't have the energy to push as hard as I do. I don't rely on them for curbing my hunger or for getting rid of my excess weight on their own; I workout 5 - 6 times a week and I eat extremely healthy 85 - 90% of the time.
**Anyone who feels like they need to reply to my response on how I shouldn't do this because it's not healthy, etc, please do me a favor and save it. I'm not interested in your personal assessment of my choices, thanks.
the fact that you are a "long term user" suggests that they have not been the magic fix for you. as others said, save yourself a ton of money and just take caffeine pills if that is what you want.1 -
queerpenix wrote: »Are specific supplements alright to take? For example I don't get a lot of potassium, so would it be alright to take that in supplemental form? A lot of things high in potassium I don't enjoy eating yikes
There are a lot of bad things that can happen from taking too much Potassium. I would ask you Dr.
If they tell you to get a supplement, only then would I do it.
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I take a multivitamin and a few vitamin supplements (magnesium, riboflavin, CoQ-10, and Butterbur) prescribed to me by my neurologist as part of my migraine protocol.0
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No supplements, no pills, no shakes. There is no miracle pill, there is no quick fix. Eat well, eat clean, move more. Don't waste your money.4
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queerpenix wrote: »Are specific supplements alright to take? For example I don't get a lot of potassium, so would it be alright to take that in supplemental form? A lot of things high in potassium I don't enjoy eating yikes
I agree check with your Dr. first, however I found that taking 1 potassium pill a day took care of my nightly leg and foot cramps. I'm assuming that adding that small amount of potassium to my diet would have the same effect, but I'm not organized enough to manage that on a regular basis.0 -
melissaulmen wrote: »queerpenix wrote: »Are specific supplements alright to take? For example I don't get a lot of potassium, so would it be alright to take that in supplemental form? A lot of things high in potassium I don't enjoy eating yikes
There are a lot of bad things that can happen from taking too much Potassium. I would ask you Dr.
If they tell you to get a supplement, only then would I do it.
I'll have to look into that then with my doctor. I just don't get much of it and since I've started tracking my food intake, it's definitely confirming I don't get much!!
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Only diet pill that has worked for me (and I only take half a pill if I feel I'm going to binge eat) is Phentramine. I needed blood work done prior to prescription. It's effective, but very strong. I'm only 25 and only take half the pill before noon (if I really need to). A month's supply lasts me about 6 to 8 months. It's also not recommended for long term use and it may have long term effects.
I essentially avoid diet pills as their likely a caffeine pill or a water pill. I'll get the same effect from my morning Starbucks Cold Brew. The side effects are not worth the 'results'. Just calling for an anxiety attack.4 -
queerpenix wrote: »melissaulmen wrote: »queerpenix wrote: »Are specific supplements alright to take? For example I don't get a lot of potassium, so would it be alright to take that in supplemental form? A lot of things high in potassium I don't enjoy eating yikes
There are a lot of bad things that can happen from taking too much Potassium. I would ask you Dr.
If they tell you to get a supplement, only then would I do it.
I'll have to look into that then with my doctor. I just don't get much of it and since I've started tracking my food intake, it's definitely confirming I don't get much!!
Just a note - you may be getting more than you think. Potassium isn't required to be listed on food labels (USA), and the MFP database contains many user-entered foods that don't list anything more than calories, protein, fat and carbs.3 -
Hydroxycut used to have ephedrine before it was banned, that is what made it effective. You can still get it in the form of Bronkaid, primatene or other asthma drugs that are sold behind the counter. You just need a drivers license and ask the pharmacist. You can take that with caffeine and a small dose of asprin, but do not take too much. I occasionally take a half a pill with a 200mg caffeine pill before a workout, only when I am feeling sluggish and need a boost. I would not take any more than that a day. They say you can take up to one tab, three times a day but I think that is insane. Any more than 1 tab a day will make me irritable and I am a 205lb man. One box will last me at least 6 months because I only take it sparingly. It will curb hunger, but (in my opinion) you do not need to live hungry while dieting, I stay full, but for the most part, I eat smart and exercise.2
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I started taking Provigil (morning) and htp6 (night) for sletp disorders, fibro snd depression isfues, and discovered tgst they work rwslly wellto help supress my appetite, and help me have willpower to stop eating. It's weird, if I skip either, I find myself either much hungrier/less sensitive to fullness or less able to resist goodies. Weight loss wasn't the intention here, but I'm not complaining.
I will take Xenadrine occasionally, when I need the caffeine boost, but don't want to go buy a soda. I hate coffee, and one Xenadrine works quickly enough.I don't take it after 11am though, or every day, of it realky messes with my sleep.1 -
USANaturalFitness wrote: »Hydroxycut used to have ephedrine before it was banned, that is what made it effective. You can still get it in the form of Bronkaid, primatene or other asthma drugs that are sold behind the counter. You just need a drivers license and ask the pharmacist. You can take that with caffeine and a small dose of asprin, but do not take too much. I occasionally take a half a pill with a 200mg caffeine pill before a workout, only when I am feeling sluggish and need a boost. I would not take any more than that a day. They say you can take up to one tab, three times a day but I think that is insane. Any more than 1 tab a day will make me irritable and I am a 205lb man. One box will last me at least 6 months because I only take it sparingly. It will curb hunger, but (in my opinion) you do not need to live hungry while dieting, I stay full, but for the most part, I eat smart and exercise.
Uhg. I used Bronchaid for years without any issues for my asthma. Started taking diet pills at one point, and didn't think to check for interactions, since I was so used to Bronchaid. I was really unhappy after a few days, jittery, insomnia, cranky. Almost lost my job, because I was acting erratic. Realized what I'd done, and it took a few days to chill back out.
Worst part was, after all that I didn't lose any weight at all!0 -
queerpenix wrote: »BabyBear76 wrote: »My supplements:
Protien powder
Multivitamin
Fish-oil
Diet pills tend to be snake-oil at best, at worst they get removed because they kill.
I just realized protein powder would be considered a supplement. I use that as well a few times a week!
Yep. Anything that isn't regular food. It's a supplement, because you use it to *supplement* your diet. Sometimes we need a bit more protien, yet not a lot of calories or just not hungry.0 -
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I use garcina cambogia and drink 1 tablespoon of diluted apple cider vinegar before each meal. I do that for 3 months on and 3 months off. I like the garcina because it doesnt have any caffeine and doesn't make me jittery. But I legit have more energy and am not as hungry when i take it. The apple cider vinegar i like not so much for the "weight loss aspect" that people claim but for its digestive effects. I do the 3 months on 3 months off because (and this could totally be in my head) i feel like my body would get use to these and not work as effectively so I give my body a break and come back.
I also take a multivitamin every day.11 -
Nope, to many of those things cause serious medical problem. A former co-worker took diet pills and while she lost weight, they messed up her heart!0
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Read the fine print on supplements.. (Can loose up to 10lbs with diet and exercise!) So far all of the ones I've seen lose the SAME amount of weight as JUST the diet and exercise! Why do all three when just the two will work?? I'd say appetite suppressants have a greater chance of being realistic than any diet pill, but again, you can achieve that if you find the right food combinations. Not worth my time or money.0
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I take topamax 25mg a day, and get iron and b12 injections every 3 weeks. Getting a multivitamin and some protein drinks soon as I'm trying to qualify for weight loss surgery. *not as a quick fix, as a tool*0
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USANaturalFitness wrote: »Hydroxycut used to have ephedrine before it was banned, that is what made it effective. You can still get it in the form of Bronkaid, primatene or other asthma drugs that are sold behind the counter. You just need a drivers license and ask the pharmacist. You can take that with caffeine and a small dose of asprin, but do not take too much. I occasionally take a half a pill with a 200mg caffeine pill before a workout, only when I am feeling sluggish and need a boost. I would not take any more than that a day. They say you can take up to one tab, three times a day but I think that is insane. Any more than 1 tab a day will make me irritable and I am a 205lb man. One box will last me at least 6 months because I only take it sparingly. It will curb hunger, but (in my opinion) you do not need to live hungry while dieting, I stay full, but for the most part, I eat smart and exercise.
honestly I dont think you should be telling someone to take an asthma medication when they dont have asthma and to mix it with other meds. just because you do it doesnt mean you should tell others to do it.4 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »I am not ashamed to say I am a long time user of Hydroxycut Max for Women (not the pro clinical one). A lot of people say they make them feel jittery but it's mostly caffeine so I don't take them before I eat, I take them 15 minutes to an hour before I work out. They really help me get through some seriously tough workouts. I work 55 - 70 hours every week so without them, I don't have the energy to push as hard as I do. I don't rely on them for curbing my hunger or for getting rid of my excess weight on their own; I workout 5 - 6 times a week and I eat extremely healthy 85 - 90% of the time.
**Anyone who feels like they need to reply to my response on how I shouldn't do this because it's not healthy, etc, please do me a favor and save it. I'm not interested in your personal assessment of my choices, thanks.
the fact that you are a "long term user" suggests that they have not been the magic fix for you. as others said, save yourself a ton of money and just take caffeine pills if that is what you want.
I'm a long term user because they DO work. I lost the weight and have maintained that loss quite well.6 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »I am not ashamed to say I am a long time user of Hydroxycut Max for Women (not the pro clinical one). A lot of people say they make them feel jittery but it's mostly caffeine so I don't take them before I eat, I take them 15 minutes to an hour before I work out. They really help me get through some seriously tough workouts. I work 55 - 70 hours every week so without them, I don't have the energy to push as hard as I do. I don't rely on them for curbing my hunger or for getting rid of my excess weight on their own; I workout 5 - 6 times a week and I eat extremely healthy 85 - 90% of the time.
**Anyone who feels like they need to reply to my response on how I shouldn't do this because it's not healthy, etc, please do me a favor and save it. I'm not interested in your personal assessment of my choices, thanks.
the fact that you are a "long term user" suggests that they have not been the magic fix for you. as others said, save yourself a ton of money and just take caffeine pills if that is what you want.
I'm a long term user because they DO work. I lost the weight and have maintained that loss quite well.
You've lost and maintained because you created a calorie deficit and then moved to a maintenance level caloric intake, not because of any specific diet pill or supplement. As simple as that.3 -
queerpenix wrote: »melissaulmen wrote: »queerpenix wrote: »Are specific supplements alright to take? For example I don't get a lot of potassium, so would it be alright to take that in supplemental form? A lot of things high in potassium I don't enjoy eating yikes
There are a lot of bad things that can happen from taking too much Potassium. I would ask you Dr.
If they tell you to get a supplement, only then would I do it.
I'll have to look into that then with my doctor. I just don't get much of it and since I've started tracking my food intake, it's definitely confirming I don't get much!!
Just a note - you may be getting more than you think. Potassium isn't required to be listed on food labels (USA), and the MFP database contains many user-entered foods that don't list anything more than calories, protein, fat and carbs.
Ohhhh that makes sense thank you so much!
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As others have said, the ones that work are not legal. Ephedrine was banned in the US, formerly the main ingredient in Hydroxycut and Metabolife. This is also a component of the ECA stack that us common in the bodybuilding community. Cocaine/amphetamines are obviously illegal, although phentermine can be prescribed it has the negative affects you are reading about above and the effects are typically short term.
Contrave is a combination of antidepressant and a drug used to treat opiod addiction, it is not a fat burner and is more used to treat the mental side. Belviq manipulates seratonin and has issues that lead to tumors in some studies and thus withdrawn application in Europe, and minimal benefits (loss expected up up 5% starting weight). Qysimia us just a combo of phentermine and Topamax, makes soda taste flat and makes you spacey. In short, no miracle pills here.
Alli is OTC, unless you want explosive diarrhea or oily anal leakage don't go there!
The Hydroxycut etc of today are glorified Dr Oz and just lighten your wallet.2
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