Waist Training
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Thats not a peer reviewed page... It's just woo.10 -
That doesn't answer the question. You'd be hard pressed to find someone on MFP who doesn't think exercising (which produces the sweat being talked about in that article) is a good thing.
Your claims about the waist trainer and the "toxins" that are supposedly sweat out is what is being questioned.
Also, peer reviewed journals are your friend.6 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good8 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good
Still wondering what these toxins are....
Generally, sugars, alcohols, salt, any other weird things they put in our food that our bodies have a difficult time processing and we hold onto longer than we should.. just look at the back of any packaged food item.
Theoretically, that's a huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many problems metabolizing.30 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good
Still wondering what these toxins are....
Generally, sugars, alcohols, salt, any other weird things they put in our food that our bodies have a difficult time processing and we hold onto longer than we should.. just look at the back of any packaged food item.
Theoretically, that's a huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many problems metabolizing.
Sodium is a toxin? Like the kind found in almost every "natural" food that the earth can produce?The sugar in a banana is a toxin? Cause the sugar in a banana and the sugar in a donut are the same chemical compound and I feel just fine when I eat either one of them.
Also, since you said theoretically I'm assuming you have a peer reviewed medical or scientific journal which posits this theory.8 -
sambosmitty wrote: »Has anyone tried it?
I personally have seen waist training when done consistently and correctly, be a great tool for slimming your waist. But I think its something you would need to do for as long as you wzmt your wsist dlim down,I think eventually it goes back to normal. There are plenty of corset,/trainers on you tube who have alot of knowledge on them. I want to purchase one from Orchard Corsets, but this is a corset trainer, after I lose some weight. I have a rectangle/straight dhape,so I would like to gave just a little definition there. I'm sorry you got eaten alive for asking a perfectly Innocent question.10 -
Nykkismommy21 wrote: »sambosmitty wrote: »Has anyone tried it?
I personally have seen waist training when done consistently and correctly, be a great tool for slimming your waist. But I think its something you would need to do for as long as you wzmt your wsist dlim down,I think eventually it goes back to normal. There are plenty of corset,/trainers on you tube who have alot of knowledge on them. I want to purchase one from Orchard Corsets, but this is a corset trainer, after I lose some weight. I have a rectangle/straight dhape,so I would like to gave just a little definition there. I'm sorry you got eaten alive for asking a perfectly Innocent question.
It makes the wearer look like a toothpaste tube smooshed in the middle. It does not change your natural shape.8 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good
Still wondering what these toxins are....
Generally, sugars, alcohols, salt, any other weird things they put in our food that our bodies have a difficult time processing and we hold onto longer than we should.. just look at the back of any packaged food item.
Theoretically, that's a huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many problems metabolizing.
Those arent toxins.... Because if they are, I should be Spiderwoman by now.... Or at least She-Hulk.7 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good
Still wondering what these toxins are....
Generally, sugars, alcohols, salt, any other weird things they put in our food that our bodies have a difficult time processing and we hold onto longer than we should.. just look at the back of any packaged food item.
Theoretically, that's a huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many problems metabolizing.
Sugar and salt are not weird things added to our food. In fact, they occur naturally in many foods. If fruit had a label you'd see sugar as one of the main ingredients and no one added it to make you fat.9 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good
Still wondering what these toxins are....
Generally, sugars, alcohols, salt, any other weird things they put in our food that our bodies have a difficult time processing and we hold onto longer than we should.. just look at the back of any packaged food item.
Theoretically, that's a huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many problems metabolizing.
Your body actually processes all those just fine (thanks liver and kidneys). If you had toxins in your body you'd be hooked up to machines at the hospital. The diet and weight loss industry have sold you a bunch of nonsense concerning toxins. You may want to start questioning anyone and anything claiming you have toxins you need to get rid of.
A huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many health problems is that food is more convenient than ever and we are less active. Consider your grandparents lifestyles compared to yours.12 -
Ready2Rock206 wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
You mean dehydration?
And what toxins?
Yeah, no. I like to stay hydrated and keep a calorie deficit for actual fat loss. It's not about a number on the scale for me, or looking temporarily thinner. I'm in this for the long haul.
You need to drink plenty of water when you work out or go in a sauna.. so no, I'm not promoting dehydration, nor am I saying to do this instead of healthy eating. I'm saying it's ALL good
Still wondering what these toxins are....
Generally, sugars, alcohols, salt, any other weird things they put in our food that our bodies have a difficult time processing and we hold onto longer than we should.. just look at the back of any packaged food item.
Theoretically, that's a huge reason Americans and Europeans have so many problems metabolizing.
Sugar and salt are not weird things added to our food. In fact, they occur naturally in many foods. If fruit had a label you'd see sugar as one of the main ingredients and no one added it to make you fat.
In excess, they are very bad, and I think it's really silly to argue that. Everyone here knows the problems we all have with too much sugar and salt in all of f our diets. You can nitpick about me calling them toxins if you like, but you all get my point.16 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspiration
"Sweat is mostly water. A microfluidic model of the eccrine sweat gland provides details on what solutes partition into sweat, their mechanisms of partitioning, and their fluidic transport to the skin surface.[19] Dissolved in the water are trace amounts of minerals,lactic acid, and urea. Although the mineral content varies, some measured concentrations are: sodium (0.9 gram/liter),potassium (0.2 g/l), calcium (0.015 g/l), and magnesium (0.0013 g/l).[20]
Relative to the plasma and extracellular fluid, the concentration of Na+ ions is much lower in sweat (~40 mM in sweat versus ~150 mM in plasma and extracellular fluid). Initially, withineccrine glands sweat has a high concentration of Na+ ions. In the sweat ducts, the Na+ ions are re-absorbed into tissue byepithelial sodium channels (ENaC) that are located on the apical membrane of epithelial cells that form the duct (see Fig. 9 of the reference).[2]
Many other trace elements are also excreted in sweat, again an indication of their concentration is (although measurements can vary fifteenfold) zinc (0.4 milligrams/liter),copper (0.3–0.8 mg/l), iron (1 mg/l),chromium (0.1 mg/l), nickel (0.05 mg/l), andlead (0.05 mg/l).[21][22] Probably many other less-abundant trace minerals leave the body through sweating with correspondingly lower concentrations. Some exogenous organic compounds make their way into sweat as exemplified by an unidentified odiferous "maple syrup" scented compound in several of the species in the mushroom genusLactarius.[23] In humans, sweat ishypoosmotic relative to plasma [24] (i.e. lessconcentrated). Sweat is found at moderately acidic to neutral pH levels, typically between 4.5 and 7.0.[25]"
No toxins and no sugar
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The Waist Trainer is just another "beauty" gimmick that contributes to this horrible message that women need to look a certain way in order to be beautiful.
Don't waste your money by supporting a culture that degrades women's natural beauty. Healthy is beautiful, and comes in all shapes and sizes. We need to support body-positive messages and not fat-shame, because physical health is a part of a larger concept of well-being.
For an inspirational woman/yogi -
https://youtu.be/R3DEqv0pHD4
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OP, just eat in a calorie deficit, train, and your waist will shape naturally. You don't need a waist trainer. A waist trainer is a waste (see what I did there?).2 -
Things to not use a waist trainer for:
Losing weight (it will not cause you to lose more weight than a plain old calorie deficit will)
removing toxins (just no)
permanently reshaping (nope not permanent)
Things to use a waist trainer for:
Posture reminder (although you shouldn't wear 24/7)
temporary body reshaping (you know looking nice in that dress)
appetite suppressant (it's pretty tight so you can't exactly stuff yourself in it)
So it has it's uses just nothing huge and life changing, you gotta do that on your own.6 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Fat may not sweat out, but water and toxins do. That can leave a person feeling much more energetic and that can lead to more activity which leads to...,.
Yes.. weight loss!!
Sometimes we need to stop and look at the BIGGER picture. The idea is to feel better in order to do more with our lives.. not just get skinny.
I think if something is working, even psychosomatically, go at it!!!
The problem is there are far too many products out there that people buy and give them a short term placebo effect. Then either the effect wears off or they can't afford to keep it up. So they feel demoralized and defeated.
The problem is there are far too many products out there that make young women think they have to buy all this stuff to look the way they want to look, so they keep chasing their tails with one product after another and never really get anywhere. So they feel unattractive, demoralized, and defeated.
Eating the correct amount of calories is free and easy to keep up permanently once you learn how to do it right. Plenty of nutritious foods are cheap and readily available. Lots of different kinds of physical activity are free and readily available. Our liver and kidneys process what the average person eats just fine.
People think it's difficult and confusing and expensive to be healthy and lose weight. And part of the reason is because every time someone buys something special to try to lose weight people pat them on the back and tell them everybody's different so maybe this will work for them. They never learn the actual science of how their bodies work. A waist trainer has a temporary effect, if any. OP can get real results from getting to a low enough weight and doing strength training, both of which will have myriad other benefits. In my opinion THAT is the bigger picture.9 -
Dear Posters,
Please remember to stay on topic. The origional post of this thread is asking for advice about waist trainers.
If you would like to further discuss sweat and toxins please start a new thread of your own.
Thanks,
4legs
MFP moderator4 -
4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »Dear Posters,
Please remember to stay on topic. The origional post of this thread is asking for advice about waist trainers.
If you would like to further discuss sweat and toxins please start a new thread of your own.
Thanks,
4legs
MFP moderator
Glad I read until the end of the thread before posting!
I've started a new thread here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10589530/can-you-sweat-out-toxins/p1?new=11 -
I've seen trained waists. They look unnatural. I wear a corset occasionally; it works well for specific looks. But I wouldn't want to hang onto that look. It's over dramatic.
I've also worn compression garments to help reduce swelling an fluid buildup after surgery.0 -
She asked if anyone has tried it. If you haven't, what are you contributing?
I have waist trained before for just under three months. Does it work? Yes. Are the results permanent? No. However, the results (though not permanent) were well worth it, IMO, and I am back at it again.
What you can expect is to sweat more around your core, under the waist trainer. It's great to wear while doing steady state cardio - nothing too intense (don't recommend while lifting or HIIT). It should be worn throughout the day (up to 8 hours) on most days to produce results.
Waist trainers are discrete under most clothing (anything other than very tight or thin material garments). I love the look/figure it gives me while wearing it and it's helped me correct my posture as well. The big payoff is when you get to flaunt the results when wearing a bikini/swimwear or a very fitted outfit.
It's important to size yourself correctly and buy a good quality trainer, in order to prevent discomfort. Do your research - there are many different products available (corsets, latex trainers, trainers with boning). You should know which product is right for you and suits your needs. If you're trying it for the first time, I'd recommend purchasing from a company where you can contact someone and they can select something for you based on your goals. Vs randomly selecting off Amazon. Try LuxxHealth, if you are interested.
Finally, I'll just mention that I workout regularly. I've been lifting for a long time. I know my nutritional needs and eat accordingly. And I never skip training abs/core just because I waist train. A waist trainer is NOT a magic weight loss solution! But rather an optional addition to an already fitness and aesthetic focused lifestyle. I am someone who has already near achieved the physique I want through diet and exercise. However, those things unfortunately cannot change my naturally straight shape! The waist trainer has aided me in that way.
Best of luck.2
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