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Cals are NOT created equal. CICO isn't the whole story.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Hmm, maybe I'm wrong about the chip on your shoulder I'm seeing in your posts? Part of this is based on your reaction to Ann's comment about people being here for different reasons when you called the discussions sad or something like that, and then here because you said "my problem with this thread" and then went on to say something that I think most would agree with. My impression from that is that you thought that was a position that you were going to get flack for saying or something. So I was trying to clarify that actually I think it's pretty much conventional wisdom in these parts (and also true).
So much of the disagreement (which is IMO interesting if respectfully expressed) sometimes relates to what seem to be misunderstandings. Here, if you (or anyone else) are assuming that in saying CICO is what matters that others are claiming strategies to get there are not also important for individuals, well, I think you are mistaken. I actually think that's pretty clear from much of the discussion.
I hate it when people claim their own strategy for getting to the CICO they want is right for all (i.e., everyone should be low carb, because carbs are the problem!), but most of the time people on MFP for more than a minute seem to get this and realize that there's a distinction between CICO (how weight loss works, period) and strategies to get there (which are often individual).
My own strategy is activity and not snacking, cooking largely from whole foods, eating a whole lot of veg (volume eating, maybe), focusing on food being enjoyable and eating a nutritious diet, avoiding mindless and emotional eating. I don't think those combinations of strategies are what all should do, and I totally see why things others do that I don't may work for them (IF, keto, lots of mini-meals, 50% protein, 80-10-10, other macro things, eating 50%+ of calories past 6 pm, doing DASH, whatever).
Sorry if this is all tedious and more than you are interested in, but with the LOLing I'm never sure if my point was understandable, and I have this weird desire to at least TRY to communicate effectively.
Chip on my shoulder, no. Why my reply to mk2fit who was trying to move the thread back to OP topic engendered your response, unsure. Willingness to go into my opinions and experiences for more of the same that they usually receive on these boards, not so much.
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That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
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The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
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That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Not to mention, then you have them talking about "good" and "bad" calories. I've seen this nonsense employed by a local restaurant chain here because they refused to follow the provincial law that requires them to post calorie counts on their menus. When they were about to get fined over it they came out and admitted that many of their "healthy" salads (pet peeve, it's "healthful", your salad isn't exercising for you) had around the same calories as a Big Mac and medium fries. So they started talking about some calories being "good" while others are "bad". Yeah, we get it, quinoa, chia and cranberries are magic so you can eat all you want.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Not to mention, then you have them talking about "good" and "bad" calories. I've seen this nonsense employed by a local restaurant chain here because they refused to follow the provincial law that requires them to post calorie counts on their menus. When they were about to get fined over it they came out and admitted that many of their "healthy" salads (pet peeve, it's "healthful", your salad isn't exercising for you) had around the same calories as a Big Mac and medium fries. So they started talking about some calories being "good" while others are "bad". Yeah, we get it, quinoa, chia and cranberries are magic so you can eat all you want.
Never thought about the wording but you're right. Laughing so hard at that line though.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Not to mention, then you have them talking about "good" and "bad" calories. I've seen this nonsense employed by a local restaurant chain here because they refused to follow the provincial law that requires them to post calorie counts on their menus. When they were about to get fined over it they came out and admitted that many of their "healthy" salads (pet peeve, it's "healthful", your salad isn't exercising for you) had around the same calories as a Big Mac and medium fries. So they started talking about some calories being "good" while others are "bad". Yeah, we get it, quinoa, chia and cranberries are magic so you can eat all you want.
I Googled because I was curious... http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/freshii-calories-ontario-law-1.4100200
.Freshii's website states, "Not all calories are created equal. Some calories are healing, some are harming." 5 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Not to mention, then you have them talking about "good" and "bad" calories. I've seen this nonsense employed by a local restaurant chain here because they refused to follow the provincial law that requires them to post calorie counts on their menus. When they were about to get fined over it they came out and admitted that many of their "healthy" salads (pet peeve, it's "healthful", your salad isn't exercising for you) had around the same calories as a Big Mac and medium fries. So they started talking about some calories being "good" while others are "bad". Yeah, we get it, quinoa, chia and cranberries are magic so you can eat all you want.
I Googled because I was curious... http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/freshii-calories-ontario-law-1.4100200
.Freshii's website states, "Not all calories are created equal. Some calories are healing, some are harming."
Yep, that's the one lol. BS has no limits.3 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Not to mention, then you have them talking about "good" and "bad" calories. I've seen this nonsense employed by a local restaurant chain here because they refused to follow the provincial law that requires them to post calorie counts on their menus. When they were about to get fined over it they came out and admitted that many of their "healthy" salads (pet peeve, it's "healthful", your salad isn't exercising for you) had around the same calories as a Big Mac and medium fries. So they started talking about some calories being "good" while others are "bad". Yeah, we get it, quinoa, chia and cranberries are magic so you can eat all you want.
I Googled because I was curious... http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/freshii-calories-ontario-law-1.4100200
.Freshii's website states, "Not all calories are created equal. Some calories are healing, some are harming."
They're totally right. The calories a fire uses can be very harming if you get too close
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stevencloser wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
That STILL doesn't change the MEASUREMENT value. When someone states a "calorie is not a calorie" they are misrepresenting what they are actually trying to convey.A CALORIE is a CALORIE. A unit of measure doesn't change just because what it's made of differs from something else.
A foot is a foot. A liter is a liter. A pound is a pound. You'll NEVER find any scientific journal stating that those actual measurements differ.
Now you can have a foot of grass and a foot of dirt, a liter of milk and a liter of water, or a pound of gold or a pound of feathers. Different materials, but MEASUREMENT is still the same for all.
So tell me, how is 10 calories of protein more in calorie measurement than 10 calories of fat? Or 10 calories of carbs? Again, focusing on the actual 10 calories. How is 10 different than 10?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The efficiency of usage of those calories differs based on the source of the calories. Different macros also have different effects on hunger (not everyone the same I think) and depending on how they effect you can effect how much you eat.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Not to mention, then you have them talking about "good" and "bad" calories. I've seen this nonsense employed by a local restaurant chain here because they refused to follow the provincial law that requires them to post calorie counts on their menus. When they were about to get fined over it they came out and admitted that many of their "healthy" salads (pet peeve, it's "healthful", your salad isn't exercising for you) had around the same calories as a Big Mac and medium fries. So they started talking about some calories being "good" while others are "bad". Yeah, we get it, quinoa, chia and cranberries are magic so you can eat all you want.
I Googled because I was curious... http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/freshii-calories-ontario-law-1.4100200
.Freshii's website states, "Not all calories are created equal. Some calories are healing, some are harming."
They're totally right. The calories a fire uses can be very harming if you get too close
Not if it's a quinoa and avocado fire! Did you even read?
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The calories of a 2 ton truck coming at you at 100 km/h are also a bit harmful.3
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stevencloser wrote: »The calories of a 2 ton truck coming at you at 100 km/h are also a bit harmful.
It does tend to make quite an impact on people.
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Some of the comments on the article are priceless.3
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Why is this still going? Did we get a fresh delivery of dead horses or are there some interesting minors to major in?
i.e: should I bother to read this thread?6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Why is this still going? Did we get a fresh delivery of dead horses or are there some interesting minors to major in?
i.e: should I bother to read this thread?
There are some amusing things to see. The dead horses have been removed for now but a fresh delivery could be made soon.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Why is this still going? Did we get a fresh delivery of dead horses or are there some interesting minors to major in?
i.e: should I bother to read this thread?
I thought the same thing. Clicked into the thread thinking there might be some gray area that was worth considering. Nope. Same *kitten*, different day.4 -
It's the gift that keeps giving.
And it keeps giving kittens.4 -
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