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Food Stamps Restriction
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »where we live people will use there food card to buy 50 liters of pop, 12 packs, etc, they then sell the pop to small country stores for money,ive seen them pulling 3 wallmart carts full of pop before, so that means the children go without food, im sure the goverment knows what they buy with there food cards they should put a limit on how much pop they can get, they wipe out the pop shelves every month so apparently they dont need food.the kids are the ones who suffer.
There's always this extreme argument in every debate about assistance.
Yup. There are always the small minority who game the system successfully. But to extrapolate that and act to the detriment to the vast majority who aren't doing that is illogical.26 -
no its not extreme, your worried about people drinking to much sugar,more importantly is the children who dont get the food thier food stamps are suppose to buy, and that topic is more important and its a reality.
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no its not extreme, your worried about people drinking to much sugar,more importantly is the children who dont get the food thier food stamps are suppose to buy, and that topic is more important and its a reality.
What are you talking about? :huh:
Who's worried? Who's not getting food?
One example of an extreme case does not make the majority rule.10 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »no its not extreme, your worried about people drinking to much sugar,more importantly is the children who dont get the food thier food stamps are suppose to buy, and that topic is more important and its a reality.
What are you talking about? :huh:
Who's worried? Who's not getting food?
One example of an extreme case does not make the majority rule.
Yep. Punishment of the many for the sins of a few. Combined with polarising deliberate divide and rule by the press and we had a huge change in policy here in the UK that has done nothing but caused harm and saved nothing in terms of catching the so called cheats, fraudsters and misusers.
But yeah, everyone on welfare totally deserves to be pissed all over.22 -
Christine_72 wrote: »where we live people will use there food card to buy 50 liters of pop, 12 packs, etc, they then sell the pop to small country stores for money,ive seen them pulling 3 wallmart carts full of pop before, so that means the children go without food, im sure the goverment knows what they buy with there food cards they should put a limit on how much pop they can get, they wipe out the pop shelves every month so apparently they dont need food.the kids are the ones who suffer.
That is just disgustingly shameful
Yes, why would the small country store do that? It doesn't seem to make a lot of economic sense, and thus I'd be ashamed to call myself a merchant!8 -
I honestly do not see what is so wrong with limiting what people can buy on food stamps. How can someone feed their family somewhat nutritionally when all or the bulk of their trolley contains soda, chips and god knows what else. Having a rule of what they can't buy will force them to make better choices.
I've lived on the bones of my *kitten* before, and junk food was the last thing i wasted my money on!15 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I honestly do not see what is so wrong with limiting what people can buy on food stamps. How can someone feed their family somewhat nutritionally when all or the bulk of their trolley contains soda, chips and god knows what else. Having a rule of what they can't buy will force them to make better choices.
I've lived on the bones of my *kitten* before, and junk food was the last thing i wasted my money on!
Because it starts a slippery slope where there is no end. We can always go back to the days of the slop line since that's all that will be left for the poor.
ETA- There already are restrictions on what people can buy with SNAP.20 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »where we live people will use there food card to buy 50 liters of pop, 12 packs, etc, they then sell the pop to small country stores for money,ive seen them pulling 3 wallmart carts full of pop before, so that means the children go without food, im sure the goverment knows what they buy with there food cards they should put a limit on how much pop they can get, they wipe out the pop shelves every month so apparently they dont need food.the kids are the ones who suffer.
That is just disgustingly shameful
Yes, why would the small country store do that? It doesn't seem to make a lot of economic sense, and thus I'd be ashamed to call myself a merchant!
Both the store and the people doing this should be penalised IMO.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »where we live people will use there food card to buy 50 liters of pop, 12 packs, etc, they then sell the pop to small country stores for money,ive seen them pulling 3 wallmart carts full of pop before, so that means the children go without food, im sure the goverment knows what they buy with there food cards they should put a limit on how much pop they can get, they wipe out the pop shelves every month so apparently they dont need food.the kids are the ones who suffer.
That is just disgustingly shameful
Yes, why would the small country store do that? It doesn't seem to make a lot of economic sense, and thus I'd be ashamed to call myself a merchant!
Both the store and the people doing this should be penalised IMO.
They can if they are reported. Welfare fraud is a crime.11 -
Here's an analysis of what is bought with SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf
How do gov't provided food subsidies (or more general welfare programs for the poor if it's encompassed within) work in Australia, Christine? (or others)3 -
Bring back the poor house! The state should have full control over those pesky people daring to live in poverty and need state assistance.
I really despair of our attitude to those at the bottom of the pile.26 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I honestly do not see what is so wrong with limiting what people can buy on food stamps. How can someone feed their family somewhat nutritionally when all or the bulk of their trolley contains soda, chips and god knows what else. Having a rule of what they can't buy will force them to make better choices.
I've lived on the bones of my *kitten* before, and junk food was the last thing i wasted my money on!
Because it starts a slippery slope where there is no end. We can always go back to the days of the slop line since that's all that will be left for the poor.
ETA- There already are restrictions on what people can buy with SNAP.
Lets not forget that food is Insanely cheap in America.
There is no slippery slope, anyone with a semblance of common sense knows that feeding themselves and their kids predominantly on junk food is unhealthy. These people are fortunate to get public assistance, so therefore they are bound by the rules of that assistance. Take it or leave it!11 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Here's an analysis of what is bought with SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf
How do gov't provided food subsidies (or more general welfare programs for the poor if it's encompassed within) work in Australia, Christine? (or others)
That link doesn't seem to work for me. What's the main idea?0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I honestly do not see what is so wrong with limiting what people can buy on food stamps. How can someone feed their family somewhat nutritionally when all or the bulk of their trolley contains soda, chips and god knows what else. Having a rule of what they can't buy will force them to make better choices.
I've lived on the bones of my *kitten* before, and junk food was the last thing i wasted my money on!
Because it starts a slippery slope where there is no end. We can always go back to the days of the slop line since that's all that will be left for the poor.
ETA- There already are restrictions on what people can buy with SNAP.
Lets not forget that food is Insanely cheap in America.
There is no slippery slope, anyone with a semblance of common sense knows that feeding themselves and their kids predominantly on junk food is unhealthy. These people are fortunate to get public assistance, so therefore they are bound by the rules of that assistance. Take it or leave it!
Where does it stop then? Table sugar to bake a birthday cake for a child? Or some treats after a long day working 10 hours or so?
ETA- Who determines cheap? Who's feeding their families on predominately "junk"?17 -
I adore people who think that taxpayer money should not be used by people on food stamps for things they personally disagree with. Go tell your State and Federal representatives that also use your taxpayer money for their lunches and cafeterias what to eat. effffff judgement of others.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Here's an analysis of what is bought with SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf
How do gov't provided food subsidies (or more general welfare programs for the poor if it's encompassed within) work in Australia, Christine? (or others)
That link doesn't seem to work for me. What's the main idea?
It's a detailed report/analysis, so hard to summarize, but basically SNAP and non SNAP households have similar buying patterns.11 -
the small country store buys the liters of pop for 50cents then they sell it for 1.50 so they make alot of money, instead of purchasing it from the cola company's, this goes on in every town in america.6
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Here's an analysis of what is bought with SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf
How do gov't provided food subsidies (or more general welfare programs for the poor if it's encompassed within) work in Australia, Christine? (or others)
@Lemurcat12 They have foodbarns here where our grocery stores donate near expired fruit/veg, meat, bread/packet food, pretty much anything/everything you'd find at a regular store where people can get food for free. They can't go every week though, maybe 2-3 times a month.
We also have welfare agencies where they write a cheque to be used at your local grocery store, and in big bold writing on the front of the cheque there is a list of foods you are not allowed to buy.4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Here's an analysis of what is bought with SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf
How do gov't provided food subsidies (or more general welfare programs for the poor if it's encompassed within) work in Australia, Christine? (or others)
That link doesn't seem to work for me. What's the main idea?
It's a detailed report/analysis, so hard to summarize, but basically SNAP and non SNAP households have similar buying patterns.
This is what I thought... But let's restrict people already going through so much.14 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Here's an analysis of what is bought with SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf
How do gov't provided food subsidies (or more general welfare programs for the poor if it's encompassed within) work in Australia, Christine? (or others)
Our government doesn't provide food subsidies, the only places that will give food or vouchers for it are independent (usually religious) charities.
Government welfare is a cash based system - jobseekers get $535.60 a fortnight, and can also be eligible for rent assistance and other assistance. They also get a healthcare card, meaning most doctors visits are free, including a range of specialists, and prescriptions are $4 or so.
There is currently a trial of a cashless welfare card happening in certain areas, where 80% of the fortnightly payment is given by way of a keycard which cannot be used to be alcohol, cigarettes, gambling products (lotto and scratch tickets) etc and cannot be used to withdraw cash. Other than that thought, it can be used for anything - not just food. You can use it anywhere you can pay by EFTPOS.
It's receiving mixed reviews on its effectiveness.8
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