Confused About Weight Loss Plateau
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CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
I think maybe you should take this as a lesson in not making negative assumptions. If someone says to you they're saying at a deficit just believe them until you have reason to think otherwise. And I'm not angry.
Why don't you hang around for a few weeks and help us all answer some more plateau threads?
I'd love to know if you still trust everything random people on the internet say after fifty of these.
I notice you chose not to "just believe" anyone who told you this isn't a plateau. Not a two-way street?11 -
diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
Or you could have read any of the what? 3? 4? threads on plateaus in the stickied "must reads" lists. Or lurked the ten other threads on plateaus today. Instead you opted to get defensive and insult people trying to help you.diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
Or you could have read any of the what? 3? 4? threads on plateaus in the stickied "must reads" lists. Or lurked the ten other threads on plateaus today. Instead you opted to get defensive and insult people trying to help you.
I didn't see a thread that involves Ketosis. Thanks for chiming in though.
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I've read for keto plateaus intermittent fasting helps. 20/4 is recommended. That is 20 hours fasting 4 hours eating
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CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
Nony I understand that but you can't go into a situation assuming the worst of people because you've had bad experiences with others. That's when unnecessary conflict arises.
We didn't assume the worst. We assumed something that is really, really common, that you could have knocked on the head from the outset by saying 'I know my calories because I work to a meal plan and everything is portioned out in the freezer already'. If we assumed that everyone who posts that they're not losing weight (which is several people a day) was actually being accurate with their calories just because they say they are, while they refuse to say how they know that, those people would be left spinning their wheels. The onus is on the person asking for help to provide the proper information.
Anyway, I'm glad that we have hopefully identified your problem. I also hope you take the advice of a maintenance break for a couple of weeks to let that cortisol level settle.7 -
diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
I think maybe you should take this as a lesson in not making negative assumptions. If someone says to you they're saying at a deficit just believe them until you have reason to think otherwise. And I'm not angry.
Why don't you hang around for a few weeks and help us all answer some more plateau threads?
I'd love to know if you still trust everything random people on the internet say after fifty of these.
I notice you chose not to "just believe" anyone who told you this isn't a plateau. Not a two-way street?
Diana weight loss plateaus are loosly defined. My calorie intake is not. That's a false equivalency. Asking you to not assume I'm lying or in denial isn't asking much. If you can't do that while even bother answering? Anyway what are you expecting to get out of continuing this conversation?
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davidacorreia wrote: »I've read for keto plateaus intermittent fasting helps. 20/4 is recommended. That is 20 hours fasting 4 hours eating
Thank you!!!
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
Nony I understand that but you can't go into a situation assuming the worst of people because you've had bad experiences with others. That's when unnecessary conflict arises.
We didn't assume the worst. We assumed something that is really, really common, that you could have knocked on the head from the outset by saying 'I know my calories because I work to a meal plan and everything is portioned out in the freezer already'. If we assumed that everyone who posts that they're not losing weight (which is several people a day) was actually being accurate with their calories just because they say they are, while they refuse to say how they know that, those people would be left spinning their wheels. The onus is on the person asking for help to provide the proper information.
Anyway, I'm glad that we have hopefully identified your problem. I also hope you take the advice of a maintenance break for a couple of weeks to let that cortisol level settle.
Alright Nony. We will have to agree to disagree on that. Have a good evening.
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This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.14
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CheersforWhit wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
Or you could have read any of the what? 3? 4? threads on plateaus in the stickied "must reads" lists. Or lurked the ten other threads on plateaus today. Instead you opted to get defensive and insult people trying to help you.diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
Or you could have read any of the what? 3? 4? threads on plateaus in the stickied "must reads" lists. Or lurked the ten other threads on plateaus today. Instead you opted to get defensive and insult people trying to help you.
I didn't see a thread that involves Ketosis. Thanks for chiming in though.
LOL there are literally hundreds of threads about ketogenic diets posted here every week. It's the latest diet fad, and because devout followers have convinced others that you don't have to count calories while following keto because so satiating, there are also dozens of threads with people who don't understand why they are not losing following this approach.
Threads like yours are a dime a dozen and your dismissive, snarky tone with people who are genuinely trying to help you avoid one of the most common mistakes that posters make is nothing new either. If you had it all figured out and knew exactly what was going on, you wouldn't be in your unnecessarily low calorie, constipated, no variety in your meal plan, two week stall, asking for help.
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This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.
I'm guessing you approached/responded to people in your thread differently. You make your experience. There are amazing people here.11 -
CheersforWhit wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
I think maybe you should take this as a lesson in not making negative assumptions. If someone says to you they're saying at a deficit just believe them until you have reason to think otherwise. And I'm not angry.
Why don't you hang around for a few weeks and help us all answer some more plateau threads?
I'd love to know if you still trust everything random people on the internet say after fifty of these.
I notice you chose not to "just believe" anyone who told you this isn't a plateau. Not a two-way street?
Diana weight loss plateaus are loosly defined. My calorie intake is not. That's a false equivalency. Asking you to not assume I'm lying or in denial isn't asking much. If you can't do that while even bother answering? Anyway what are you expecting to get out of continuing this conversation?
You could at least be bothered to use my actual name. Instead you're just making up names for people now? I don't usually worry about people dropping the extra N, but my name isn't Diana.
Anyway, my offer above is real. Stick around. Answer questions. Come back in a couple of weeks and let us know if you still assume people know what they're eating as the default.5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
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They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
Or you could have read any of the what? 3? 4? threads on plateaus in the stickied "must reads" lists. Or lurked the ten other threads on plateaus today. Instead you opted to get defensive and insult people trying to help you.diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
Or you could have read any of the what? 3? 4? threads on plateaus in the stickied "must reads" lists. Or lurked the ten other threads on plateaus today. Instead you opted to get defensive and insult people trying to help you.
I didn't see a thread that involves Ketosis. Thanks for chiming in though.
LOL there are literally hundreds of threads about ketogenic diets posted here every week. It's the latest diet fad, and because devout followers have convinced others that you don't have to count calories while following keto because so satiating, there are also dozens of threads with people who don't understand why they are not losing following this approach.
Threads like yours are a dime a dozen and your dismissive, snarky tone with people who are genuinely trying to help you avoid one of the most common mistakes that posters make is nothing new either. If you had it all figured out and knew exactly what was going on, you wouldn't be in your unnecessarily low calorie, constipated, no variety in your meal plan, two week stall, asking for help.
Wino I hope posting that gave you some sort of satisfaction. This conversation is over. Good night
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diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
I think maybe you should take this as a lesson in not making negative assumptions. If someone says to you they're saying at a deficit just believe them until you have reason to think otherwise. And I'm not angry.
Why don't you hang around for a few weeks and help us all answer some more plateau threads?
I'd love to know if you still trust everything random people on the internet say after fifty of these.
I notice you chose not to "just believe" anyone who told you this isn't a plateau. Not a two-way street?
Diana weight loss plateaus are loosly defined. My calorie intake is not. That's a false equivalency. Asking you to not assume I'm lying or in denial isn't asking much. If you can't do that while even bother answering? Anyway what are you expecting to get out of continuing this conversation?
You could at least be bothered to use my actual name. Instead you're just making up names for people now? I don't usually worry about people dropping the extra N, but my name isn't Diana.
Anyway, my offer above is real. Stick around. Answer questions. Come back in a couple of weeks and let us know if you still assume people know what they're eating as the default.
This conversation is over. Good night.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.
I'm guessing you approached/responded to people in your thread differently. You make your experience. There are amazing people here.
100% agree. People here are super helpful and polite. Honestly, where else could you get this level of experience provided to you in a succinct and detailed manner, targeted to you specifically for FREE?!?!12 -
CheersforWhit wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »
How do you know they are 6 oz if you don't measure? How do you know you've drank the same amount of liquids everyday without measuring? How do you know the intensity of your exercise is exact every time? You can't just by gauging it.CheersforWhit wrote: »
It's a stall though and not a plateau. A plateau would be 6 weeks or more of no weight movement if one was CONSISTENT (especially in calorie counts) with diet and exercise. If consistency was lost at anytime, then it wouldn't be a plateau. It is a stall, but usually by identifying certain things (calories taken in, rest, exercise) and making adjustments, it should resolve itself.CheersforWhit wrote: »I have been losing over a pound a week for 12 weeks so I consider it a plateau . If I'm running a calorie deficit and exercising I should be losing. I believe the issue is not enough fiber in my diet so I'm going to try that. Thanks anyway
I liken a stall and plateau to a stop sign and a red light stop . One is a quick stop, the other could keep you there awhile.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Im extremely consistent . I have a menu I eat every week. Breakfast Lunch and Dinner. As in I eat 2 pieces of 6oz baked fish every Monday with half a cup of broccoli. I am also very consistent with exercise.
Trust that you're NOT the first person or client I've had this discussion with. What's been mentioned above about identifying how much your eating IS NOT a big deal, unless you make it one. Measure everything for a week. Just a week. If your weight changes, then you've likely identified what might have been the issue.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
They're all precut and then frozen. I buy them from the market that way. They measure it there. The only liquid I drink is water. I run on a treadmill so that information is tracked. 4mph for 30 minutes. Weights are simple to track as well. Anyway as I've said before Ive resolved the issue
Again, information you could have given pages ago...
Or you could have just trusted me mate.
We were trying to help you. Again, lots of people vow and declare they know how many calories they're eating. They're not lying, they truly do believe that. In this instance, you do know, and you could have very easily said how you know. And it likely would have become apparent at that time, or soon there after, that you're stressing your body by undereating and probably have raised cortisol levels as a result.
You can either take this as a lesson in providing full and accurate information to the people who are giving their free time to help you, or you can continue to be angry about it (which isn't going to help those cortisol levels, fyi).
I think maybe you should take this as a lesson in not making negative assumptions. If someone says to you they're saying at a deficit just believe them until you have reason to think otherwise. And I'm not angry.
Why don't you hang around for a few weeks and help us all answer some more plateau threads?
I'd love to know if you still trust everything random people on the internet say after fifty of these.
I notice you chose not to "just believe" anyone who told you this isn't a plateau. Not a two-way street?
Diana weight loss plateaus are loosly defined. My calorie intake is not. That's a false equivalency. Asking you to not assume I'm lying or in denial isn't asking much. If you can't do that while even bother answering? Anyway what are you expecting to get out of continuing this conversation?
You could at least be bothered to use my actual name. Instead you're just making up names for people now? I don't usually worry about people dropping the extra N, but my name isn't Diana.
Anyway, my offer above is real. Stick around. Answer questions. Come back in a couple of weeks and let us know if you still assume people know what they're eating as the default.
This conversation is over. Good night.
That's your choice. You can always use the report function to have the thread closed by the mods if you like.3 -
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But is this working for you now?CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Okay just so we're clear. I know my body. I know what I eat. If I eat the same thing all the time it's illogical to track calories because the calories in the things I eat don't change. And finally I know when I've hit a plateau because I know my body. Thank you to everyone who posted positive support and answered the question.
You may eat the same things, but are you sure you're eating the same amounts of those things. A little creep in portion sizes with high cal stuff is going to mount up pretty quickly.
Nony. Nope. Not the case. I literally eat the same thing. Not sure why thats so difficult to understand.
If plateaus are typical on low carb, then......where's the confusion?
People are trying to help you, and you're shutting them down.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.
I'm guessing you approached/responded to people in your thread differently. You make your experience. There are amazing people here.
100% agree. People here are super helpful and polite. Honestly, where else could you get this level of experience provided to you in a succinct and detailed manner, targeted to you specifically for FREE?!?!
And when threads like this pop up, it genuinely makes me question why I stick around, after having met my weight loss goal, to help others who may be struggling. When OPs are so rude and dismissive and even insulting to people trying to probe to get at the heart of their issue to provide relevant advice, why bother?10 -
JerSchmare wrote: »I think plateaus are BS. There are no plateaus. If you're in a "plateau", you're eating at maintenance. You need to:
1) eat less
2) increase the intensity, frequency, or duration of your exercise
3) some combination of 1 and 2.
It's really simple.
Yeah, this pretty much sums it up for me whenever I've stalled/plateaued.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.
I'm guessing you approached/responded to people in your thread differently. You make your experience. There are amazing people here.
100% agree. People here are super helpful and polite. Honestly, where else could you get this level of experience provided to you in a succinct and detailed manner, targeted to you specifically for FREE?!?!
And when threads like this pop up, it genuinely makes me question why I stick around, after having met my weight loss goal, to help others who may be struggling. When OPs are so rude and dismissive and even insulting to people trying to probe to get at the heart of their issue to provide relevant advice, why bother?
I end up taking a lot of long breaks because of it, and I know I'm not the only one. Plus there are all of our compatriots on forced breaks after one too many threads like this. It's a real shame.8 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
But is this working for you now?CheersforWhit wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »CheersforWhit wrote: »Okay just so we're clear. I know my body. I know what I eat. If I eat the same thing all the time it's illogical to track calories because the calories in the things I eat don't change. And finally I know when I've hit a plateau because I know my body. Thank you to everyone who posted positive support and answered the question.
You may eat the same things, but are you sure you're eating the same amounts of those things. A little creep in portion sizes with high cal stuff is going to mount up pretty quickly.
Nony. Nope. Not the case. I literally eat the same thing. Not sure why thats so difficult to understand.
If plateaus are typical on low carb, then......where's the confusion?
People are trying to help you, and you're shutting them down.
The issue was resolved. Thank you though. Anyone else commenting just to insult me I challenge you to go paint a picture, ride a bike, pick some flowers or something of that nature. I personally am going to bed. Good day to you all.
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WinoGelato wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.
I'm guessing you approached/responded to people in your thread differently. You make your experience. There are amazing people here.
100% agree. People here are super helpful and polite. Honestly, where else could you get this level of experience provided to you in a succinct and detailed manner, targeted to you specifically for FREE?!?!
And when threads like this pop up, it genuinely makes me question why I stick around, after having met my weight loss goal, to help others who may be struggling. When OPs are so rude and dismissive and even insulting to people trying to probe to get at the heart of their issue to provide relevant advice, why bother?
I would hope it's because for every 1 OP like this thread, there are 10 like mine where people like you make a genuine difference and help someone reach their goals or start their journey properly.
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When I read her post I could tell she knew what she was doing and it was not a case of not weighing. You don't lose that much by not watching what you eat. Maybe you guys have spent too much time on forums and are lumping all people into one category.
When giving advise, maybe assume the best of a person until proven otherwise. It is offensive when someone assumes your a noob when all your asking for is advise on tweaking a diet that has worked for a long time.
For short people 1200 can be too much in order to lose. I know it is unpopular to say it, but sometimes those calculators just aren't designed for people in lower end of the scales.
There is a reason a lot of shorter people stall/plateau before their last 10kg. The bmr for someone around 163cm is roughly 1450 cal so 1200 is only a 250 deficit on average.16 -
meganpettigrew86 wrote: »When I read her post I could tell she knew what she was doing and it was not a case of not weighing. You don't lose that much by not watching what you eat. Maybe you guys have spent too much time on forums and are lumping all people into one category.
When giving advise, maybe assume the best of a person until proven otherwise. It is offensive when someone assumes your a noob when all your asking for is advise on tweaking a diet that has worked for a long time.
For short people 1200 can be too much in order to lose. I know it is unpopular to say it, but sometimes those calculators just aren't designed for people in lower end of the scales.
There is a reason a lot of shorter people stall/plateau before their last 10kg. The bmr for someone around 163cm is roughly 1450 cal so 1200 is only a 250 deficit on average.
As active as the OP is, she doesn't need to be eating below 1200 cals in order to lose. She's either:
1. Eating more than she thinks
2. Going for too aggressive of a weight loss goal
3. Losing lean body mass
4. Doing long term damage to her metabolism aka adaptive thermogenesis
Or some combination of the above.
Also, this concept that short women must eat low cals in order to lose is one of my particular pet peeves. I'm 5'2, over 40, lost ~ 35 lbs, and am currently maintaining that loss for the past few years while never eating below 1400 cals. Most of my weight was lost eating between 1600-1900 and I currently maintain with a TDEE of 2200. I never gave up sugar, carbs, wine or vegetables... never hit a stall I couldn't explain, and I have no issues pooping.
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meganpettigrew86 wrote: »When I read her post I could tell she knew what she was doing and it was not a case of not weighing. You don't lose that much by not watching what you eat. Maybe you guys have spent too much time on forums and are lumping all people into one category.
When giving advise, maybe assume the best of a person until proven otherwise. It is offensive when someone assumes your a noob when all your asking for is advise on tweaking a diet that has worked for a long time.
For short people 1200 can be too much in order to lose. I know it is unpopular to say it, but sometimes those calculators just aren't designed for people in lower end of the scales.
There is a reason a lot of shorter people stall/plateau before their last 10kg. The bmr for someone around 163cm is roughly 1450 cal so 1200 is only a 250 deficit on average.
I have never eaten under my BMR to lose weight. Are you confusing bmr with TDEE @meganpettigrew86 ?
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Indeed.diannethegeek wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »This thread is so bizarre because this community as a whole is super helpful and polite. Like ridiculously so. I posted a thread last week and ONLY got helpful and positive answers. Literally not one negative comment. On the Internet this is virtually unheard of.
I'm guessing you approached/responded to people in your thread differently. You make your experience. There are amazing people here.
100% agree. People here are super helpful and polite. Honestly, where else could you get this level of experience provided to you in a succinct and detailed manner, targeted to you specifically for FREE?!?!
And when threads like this pop up, it genuinely makes me question why I stick around, after having met my weight loss goal, to help others who may be struggling. When OPs are so rude and dismissive and even insulting to people trying to probe to get at the heart of their issue to provide relevant advice, why bother?
I end up taking a lot of long breaks because of it, and I know I'm not the only one. Plus there are all of our compatriots on forced breaks after one too many threads like this. It's a real shame.
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meganpettigrew86 wrote: »When I read her post I could tell she knew what she was doing and it was not a case of not weighing. You don't lose that much by not watching what you eat. Maybe you guys have spent too much time on forums and are lumping all people into one category.
When giving advise, maybe assume the best of a person until proven otherwise. It is offensive when someone assumes your a noob when all your asking for is advise on tweaking a diet that has worked for a long time.
For short people 1200 can be too much in order to lose. I know it is unpopular to say it, but sometimes those calculators just aren't designed for people in lower end of the scales.
There is a reason a lot of shorter people stall/plateau before their last 10kg. The bmr for someone around 163cm is roughly 1450 cal so 1200 is only a 250 deficit on average.
If she knew what she was doing, she wouldn't have needed to post for help, and she wouldn't have been systematically undereating to the point of messing up her cortisol levels.8 -
CheersforWhit wrote: »You aren't doing keto if you don't eat vegetables. There are lower carb veggies. I was at a keto BBQ yesterday with delicious cauliflower rice and a bomb broccoli slaw with avo mayo.
How are you getting all of your vitamins and nutrients?
https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/01/03/Keto-Diet-Food-List-What-to-Eat-and-Avoid
I take a multivitamin. Keto does not require vegetables. Getting into Ketosis doesn't not require vegetables. Also this issue has been resolved
1. You will not get all of your bodies nutritional needs from a multi vitamin. This is a fact. You may supplement some but unless you have a bunch of mineral supplements as well and your omegas you are harming your body
2. A lot of keto eaters actually avoid cheese because dairy can be higher carb and sugar. If you only eat meat and cheese you are not following a structured keto eating plan. Calling that keto is probably why some are afraid of it. Keto is actually a pretty balanced way of eating low carb when done correctly. The way you are eating can lead to gallstones and a bunch of other issues2 -
Can't waste anymore time offering advice to someone that doesn't want it. Time to watch football now.
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My son was disappointed with the game I assume based on your name you were watching (he is a big time miners fan)....but his mamma was happy sporting silver and black0
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