Is it true pear-shapeds should eat lower fat?

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  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
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    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    johnwelk wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    This whole post is complete BS. Estrogen dominance is a fake disease, not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Please learn some critical thinking skills.

    I've always heard hormone imbalance was a real legitimate thing. Would you please explain why hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance is fake. I really want to know this because I supposedly have signs of hormonal imbalance low progesterone with symptoms of hair loss, chin/jawline acne, and menstruation issues among other things and if that's not what is causing it then I would like to at least know I'm barking up the wrong tree. My doctor sure seems to think it's an imbalance. On a side note, assuming I had an imbalance I changed my diet around according to what you would do with an imbalance for example I drink way less coffee and alcohol than I used to and other things and I saw big improvements, so something was definitely working for some reason and I'd like to get to the bottom of what that is. Thanks!

    It appears from a quick jaunt to Dr. Google's office that "estrogen dominance" is a specific kind of hormone imbalance that probably does not exist, given that the only websites I see talking about it appear to be garbage. I assume other forms of hormone issues are real.

    Ah Thank you, I was gonna say something is causing this craziness that has been going on since I got off BC, I guess it is low progesterone ( which if you think about it would make estrogen the more dominant one) Maybe that's why it's so confusing. It's not estrogen dominance but a low progesterone.
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,268 Member
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    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    johnwelk wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    This whole post is complete BS. Estrogen dominance is a fake disease, not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Please learn some critical thinking skills.

    I've always heard hormone imbalance was a real legitimate thing. Would you please explain why hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance is fake. I really want to know this because I supposedly have signs of hormonal imbalance low progesterone with symptoms of hair loss, chin/jawline acne, and menstruation issues among other things and if that's not what is causing it then I would like to at least know I'm barking up the wrong tree. My doctor sure seems to think it's an imbalance. On a side note, assuming I had an imbalance I changed my diet around according to what you would do with an imbalance for example I drink way less coffee and alcohol than I used to and other things and I saw big improvements, so something was definitely working for some reason and I'd like to get to the bottom of what that is. Thanks!

    I didn't see anyone saying hormone imbalance wasn't a real thing but that estrogen dominance was and the whole low sugar...and chemical BS comments...were called into question
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
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    bagge72 wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    Well, thank God I'm an apple, and I never thought I'd say that.

    Doubly good news is that if someone where to eat you, they would die of starvation, since you are zero calories, those pears are *kitten* though.

    Hahaha - backpeddling out of that thread really fast now!
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    edited September 2017
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    SezxyStef wrote: »
    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    johnwelk wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    This whole post is complete BS. Estrogen dominance is a fake disease, not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Please learn some critical thinking skills.

    I've always heard hormone imbalance was a real legitimate thing. Would you please explain why hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance is fake. I really want to know this because I supposedly have signs of hormonal imbalance low progesterone with symptoms of hair loss, chin/jawline acne, and menstruation issues among other things and if that's not what is causing it then I would like to at least know I'm barking up the wrong tree. My doctor sure seems to think it's an imbalance. On a side note, assuming I had an imbalance I changed my diet around according to what you would do with an imbalance for example I drink way less coffee and alcohol than I used to and other things and I saw big improvements, so something was definitely working for some reason and I'd like to get to the bottom of what that is. Thanks!

    I didn't see anyone saying hormone imbalance wasn't a real thing but that estrogen dominance was and the whole low sugar...and chemical BS comments...were called into question

    Thanks if you look above your post someone already helped me out but thanks anyway!
  • MegaMooseEsq
    MegaMooseEsq Posts: 3,118 Member
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    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    johnwelk wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    This whole post is complete BS. Estrogen dominance is a fake disease, not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Please learn some critical thinking skills.

    I've always heard hormone imbalance was a real legitimate thing. Would you please explain why hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance is fake. I really want to know this because I supposedly have signs of hormonal imbalance low progesterone with symptoms of hair loss, chin/jawline acne, and menstruation issues among other things and if that's not what is causing it then I would like to at least know I'm barking up the wrong tree. My doctor sure seems to think it's an imbalance. On a side note, assuming I had an imbalance I changed my diet around according to what you would do with an imbalance for example I drink way less coffee and alcohol than I used to and other things and I saw big improvements, so something was definitely working for some reason and I'd like to get to the bottom of what that is. Thanks!

    It appears from a quick jaunt to Dr. Google's office that "estrogen dominance" is a specific kind of hormone imbalance that probably does not exist, given that the only websites I see talking about it appear to be garbage. I assume other forms of hormone issues are real.

    Ah Thank you, I was gonna say something is causing this craziness that has been going on since I got off BC, I guess it is low progesterone ( which if you think about it would make estrogen the more dominant one) Maybe that's why it's so confusing. It's not estrogen dominance but a low progesterone.

    Yeah, my sister-in-law has PCOS and some crazy hormone stuff going on that has led to severe health issues, including debilitating migraines that have kept her from working or living independently for years. That's real. Estrogen dominance sounds like the kind of thing marketed to women who are looking for something other than "you're eating too much" to explain why they're struggling to lose weight.
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,268 Member
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    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    johnwelk wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    This whole post is complete BS. Estrogen dominance is a fake disease, not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Please learn some critical thinking skills.

    I've always heard hormone imbalance was a real legitimate thing. Would you please explain why hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance is fake. I really want to know this because I supposedly have signs of hormonal imbalance low progesterone with symptoms of hair loss, chin/jawline acne, and menstruation issues among other things and if that's not what is causing it then I would like to at least know I'm barking up the wrong tree. My doctor sure seems to think it's an imbalance. On a side note, assuming I had an imbalance I changed my diet around according to what you would do with an imbalance for example I drink way less coffee and alcohol than I used to and other things and I saw big improvements, so something was definitely working for some reason and I'd like to get to the bottom of what that is. Thanks!

    I didn't see anyone saying hormone imbalance wasn't a real thing but that estrogen dominance was and the whole low sugar...and chemical BS comments...were called into question

    Thanks if you look above your post someone already helped me out but thanks anyway!

    Yes I saw...

    I was pointing out however that it wasn't even mentioned so hence I didn't quite understand why it needed cleared up...
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    edited September 2017
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    SezxyStef wrote: »
    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    emmydoodles83 wrote: »
    johnwelk wrote: »
    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    This whole post is complete BS. Estrogen dominance is a fake disease, not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Please learn some critical thinking skills.

    I've always heard hormone imbalance was a real legitimate thing. Would you please explain why hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance is fake. I really want to know this because I supposedly have signs of hormonal imbalance low progesterone with symptoms of hair loss, chin/jawline acne, and menstruation issues among other things and if that's not what is causing it then I would like to at least know I'm barking up the wrong tree. My doctor sure seems to think it's an imbalance. On a side note, assuming I had an imbalance I changed my diet around according to what you would do with an imbalance for example I drink way less coffee and alcohol than I used to and other things and I saw big improvements, so something was definitely working for some reason and I'd like to get to the bottom of what that is. Thanks!

    I didn't see anyone saying hormone imbalance wasn't a real thing but that estrogen dominance was and the whole low sugar...and chemical BS comments...were called into question

    Thanks if you look above your post someone already helped me out but thanks anyway!

    Yes I saw...

    I was pointing out however that it wasn't even mentioned so hence I didn't quite understand why it needed cleared up...

    There was confusion for me on hormone imbalance being mixed up with estrogen dominance, it was cleared up and that's pretty much how it went. Is there a particular reason you want to start a dialogue about why I was confused and why you need to understand it? Let me explain it better, in my mind the confusion comes from what estrogen dominance is. If I have low progesterone wouldn't that mean that the estrogen was then the dominant hormone, and is that the same as estrogen dominance or would it just be considered low progesterone. It was confusing someone cleared it up and that pretty much sums it up.
  • pinuplove
    pinuplove Posts: 12,874 Member
    edited September 2017
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    @jesslla I personally save that option for bathtub spiders :tongue:

    On topic: I'm pear-shaped, close to hourglass when I'm at my ideal weight, and fat has always been my happy macro, so I eat more of it than generally recommended.
  • EatingAndKnitting
    EatingAndKnitting Posts: 531 Member
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    pinuplove wrote: »
    @jesslla I personally save that option for bathtub spiders :tongue:

    On topic: I'm pear-shaped, close to hourglass when I'm at my ideal weight, and fat has always been my happy macro, so I eat more of it than generally recommended.

    Oh, spiders and those big roaches (I'm in Texas, they come inside sometimes and I hate it) always get the nukes. Doesn't do a damn thing to the roaches though.
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
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    I'm very pear shaped (35"-29"-41"). Calories in, calories out works for me.
  • Lillymoo01
    Lillymoo01 Posts: 2,865 Member
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    Sunna_W wrote: »
    It's called estrogen dominance! Body fat makes you hold on to excess estrogen.

    See these websites:
    http://www.drnorthrup.com/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.womentowomen.com/hormonal-health/estrogen-dominance/
    https://www.drlam.com/blog/estrogen-dominance-part-1/1704/

    Consider getting rid of all of the chemicals in your home. Try going fragrance / dye free or natural cleaners. Frebreeze and similar products are endocrine disruptors and can actually make it difficult for people to lose weight. Think about getting rid of make-up, scented lotions and perfume unless they are paraben free.

    I am also taking a boatload of natural progesterone (prometrium 200 mgs.) Discuss this with your doctor. Based on your family history of breast cancer, it may well save your life or not be right for you.

    Maintaining a calorie deficit as well as switching to low sugar (hidden in canned and packaged food) / low carb (no more than 100 g daily) with high protein and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, chicken skin, grass fed beef fat) will assist you in lowering the amount of body fat you store.

    Just had to hilight this absolute pearler. How do you propose getting rid of all chemicals in your home? This very sentence shows you have no understanding of basic science.
  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,209 Member
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    I just skimmed these studies, so correct me if i'm wrong, but they seem to say that a lower fat diet led to thinner thighs than a high fat diet, other things being equal:
    https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3735822/
    jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/216559
  • GlassAngyl
    GlassAngyl Posts: 478 Member
    edited September 2017
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    Cherimoose wrote: »
    I just skimmed these studies, so correct me if i'm wrong, but they seem to say that a lower fat diet led to thinner thighs than a high fat diet, other things being equal:
    https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3735822/
    jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/216559

    I'll let the article correct you.

    In conclusion, consumption of a relatively low GL diet may induce loss of IAAT during weight maintenance conditions, especially in women. During weight loss, consumption of a low GL diet may affect energy partitioning, enhancing loss of fat relative to lean mass compared to a high GL, low-fat diet. Further studies are needed to identify mechanisms linking low GL diet to loss of visceral and total fat, and for gender-specific effects.

    GL isn't fat. GL is glycaecemic load.. or foods that have a greater effect on blood sugars. That would be sugars and carbs. They are saying a lower gl diet and high fat diet will produce greater fat loss. That's from the first link.. the government site.
  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,209 Member
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    @GlassAngyl - the study says the low-GL group had a higher fat intake (39% vs 27%), and it appears they had less reduction in thigh fat than the high GL group which ate lower fat:
    "Women on both the low GL diet and high GL diet lost thigh SAT {subcutaneous fat} (5.8%, 9.8%, respectively, P<0.01) and thigh IMAT {intramuscular fat} (9.4%, 11.9%, respectively, P<0.05)"

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