Steps

SezxyStef

are you using your iphone to track your activity or an apple watch?

if an apple watch you need to ensure that it is sync'd to your phone which in turn is sync'd to MFP...not totally sure how this is done as I am an android user...

It actually looks reasonable as you have your walk logged so it will negate those calories form the 11k total steps.

and swimming for 36mins if you were doing laps sure...depending on your stats of course.

need2belean

I can tell you this. That since you don't swim with your iPHONE, your phone is negating the calories used from walking from your swimming total burn you inputed. So if you walked 11,000 steps, and you swam, that's probably why it's taking away from your calorie total (because it can't count steps from a swim). That's why IMO it doesn't make sense to have the calorie adjustment check box checked if you're not wearing a tracker watch that you'll wear during all of your workouts. I don't take my phone with me everywhere that I go, so I don't see how it's an accurate tracking method for steps.

ryenday

Yeah, I do wear an Apple Watch at all times except sleep. I do sync the watch to the iPhone. And whatever’s — I’m done. It’s fine for weight loss but I’ll just have to find something else than MFP for maintenance. With a sedentary setting MFP should not be subtracting or negating my step activity - and thank y’all for trying, but I don’t understand and each explanation seems to miss something I thought I already detailed so I’m now too frustrated to continue.

Maxxitt

Chiming in here because I killed my exercise and activity rings on my watch (Apple 2) and MFP awarded me some extra calories, and then when I went out with the dog and came back in, everything was different - I somehow not only lost all of the calories but was even given a deficit below that. I unchecked the negative calorie option which did nothing. Then I updated MFP on my phone. That didn't help when I went into the phone MFP app. Then I logged out of the website on my computer and went back in and everything had reset properly. It's gremlins. That's my story & I'm sticking to it.

misnomer1

Trex5009 wrote: »

lorrpb wrote: »

Try rewording your question or explaining what you mean a bit more. I don't know what you mean that your step calories go back to 0.
Also, sometimes it takes more than 2 1/2 hours for someone with the answer to see your question and respond. Just sayin'.

Ok... you know how your phone tracks your steps? Well MFP calculates how many calories you burn based on number of steps. Well sometimes I go into the app and I have like 50 calories burned or something just from my steps. However when I add my own excersie of cardio or something.. my calories burned from my steps reset to 0. Idk why I'm having trouble explaining this.. hope you got what I mean though

First off. Enable negative calorie adjustment in mfp settings using PC.

When you add an exercise, your steps are likely resynced by mfp at that time. If you walk a lot till noon, you might see a big positive calorie adjustment. If you just sleep after that, you might notice the adjustment get smaller and smaller and might even become negative till midnight. This is how it is supposed to work.

heybales

need2belean wrote: »

I can tell you this. That since you don't swim with your iPHONE, your phone is negating the calories used from walking from your swimming total burn you inputed. So if you walked 11,000 steps, and you swam, that's probably why it's taking away from your calorie total (because it can't count steps from a swim). That's why IMO it doesn't make sense to have the calorie adjustment check box checked if you're not wearing a tracker watch that you'll wear during all of your workouts. I don't take my phone with me everywhere that I go, so I don't see how it's an accurate tracking method for steps.

You don't have to wear a tracker during all workouts if you plan on manually entering in the workout with more accurate info.

I can wear my Fitbit during a bike ride and get totally worthless stats of steps, distance, and calorie burn.
As soon as I log the workout based on Garmin data, it's replaced.
So I could have left the Fitbit off in that case.

Most the devices assume that if there are no steps, you are at BMR level burn for that time - like sleeping.
So something is counted, just not as high as reality perhaps is if like standing, or lifting, or swimming.

If the correct data isn't enter in later - you merely have an underestimated daily burn.

The swim would have replaced a chunk of time the iPhone had no data on because as you said it's a swim.
So you are replacing no step/distance/extra calorie burn stats with whatever the swim stats are.

It's perfectly fine method and should not result in any problems.

heybales

ryenday wrote: »

Question then: does this look reasonable for a MFP sedentary level then? (Yesterday). I hate to post photos bc they so big on non iPhones, but I don’t have access to a computer today way:

And. This is the ‘detail’

It could be easily.

Normally I'd expected that many steps to be more than 420 calories - but like I said - depends on the distance traveled actually and calories assigned. 30 min walk could have been short steps, or false step reading, which could be a concern for distance estimated then, and calorie burn based on it. Or perhaps in this case, correct steps seen, but distance was short.
You got a stride length setting in your stats for watch?

Those are MFP manually entered exercise entries, so they should have synced back over to iPhone to inform it what was going on during the time you used.

You do have to enter Start and Duration time, right, for the MFP workouts?

Here's your stat's I think.

BMR - 1620
MFP estimated daily sedentary burn - 2025
500 cal deficit
base eating goal - 1525

Here's what happened in your screen shots at 2:13 pm, which is 853 min into the day, or 587 min left, or 40.8% left.

MFP estimated daily 2025 x 40.8% = 826.2 calories left at Sedentary rate of burn.

iPhone synced calorie burnt so far that day - 1563
(for comparison - MFP @ sedentary would be at 1199, so you are 364 over Sedentary at that point)

iPhone reported 1563 + 826 = 2389 Full day projected
(again - 364 over only MFP estimate of 2025 @ sedentary)

Full day projected 2389 - 2025 MFP estimated daily - 427 MFP exercise = -63 calorie adjustment.

Base eating goal 1525 + 427 exercise - 63 adjustment = 1889 new eating goal.

You ate 1779 so far - you have 1889-1779 = 110 calories left.

Just for confirmation - 2389 full day projected - 500 deficit = 1889 eating goal.

You still have your 500 cal deficit.

Reread the above carefully as to what is going on. Exactly what I said, but with your numbers.
You don't have to have fun with maths, may not even get it - that's fine.
But you can't say it's not working right if you don't understand what it's doing - it is.

The reason the above MUST happen that way - is because the workouts you logged on MFP are synced over to whatever the tracker is.
The tracker account replaces whatever it had with the workouts you logged.
Perhaps they exactly match, like the walking may have.
Perhaps they are totally new, like the swimming would be.

So for the adjustment to be figured out - whatever you logged on MFP, which must also be known on the tracker account - must be subtracted first.
That can result in a negative adjustment sometimes.
But the overall result is not.

And as you can see - the deficit remains.

So keep up your manual logging of workouts that need to be like swimming, lifting, elliptical, or other non-step based activity.
The walking you don't need to as the iWatch's calorie estimate for the walk was probably good enough - if you want your wall to know you walked - just post the fact.

And you can keep using it into maintenance - because it's working just like it's supposed to.

ryenday

LOL. I’m gonna just say it’s broken.

MegaMooseEsq

heybales wrote: »

need2belean wrote: »

I can tell you this. That since you don't swim with your iPHONE, your phone is negating the calories used from walking from your swimming total burn you inputed. So if you walked 11,000 steps, and you swam, that's probably why it's taking away from your calorie total (because it can't count steps from a swim). That's why IMO it doesn't make sense to have the calorie adjustment check box checked if you're not wearing a tracker watch that you'll wear during all of your workouts. I don't take my phone with me everywhere that I go, so I don't see how it's an accurate tracking method for steps.

You don't have to wear a tracker during all workouts if you plan on manually entering in the workout with more accurate info.

I can wear my Fitbit during a bike ride and get totally worthless stats of steps, distance, and calorie burn.
As soon as I log the workout based on Garmin data, it's replaced.
So I could have left the Fitbit off in that case.

Most the devices assume that if there are no steps, you are at BMR level burn for that time - like sleeping.
So something is counted, just not as high as reality perhaps is if like standing, or lifting, or swimming.

If the correct data isn't enter in later - you merely have an underestimated daily burn.

The swim would have replaced a chunk of time the iPhone had no data on because as you said it's a swim.
So you are replacing no step/distance/extra calorie burn stats with whatever the swim stats are.

It's perfectly fine method and should not result in any problems.

I can't speak to the underlying math question, but I would point out that the newer Apple Watches can be worn while swimming, so if this is what @ryenday is using, there wouldn't be a data gap - you just start and end the workout as usual and the synch hypothetically takes care of the rest.

ryenday

MegaMooseEsq wrote: »

heybales wrote: »

need2belean wrote: »

I can tell you this. That since you don't swim with your iPHONE, your phone is negating the calories used from walking from your swimming total burn you inputed. So if you walked 11,000 steps, and you swam, that's probably why it's taking away from your calorie total (because it can't count steps from a swim). That's why IMO it doesn't make sense to have the calorie adjustment check box checked if you're not wearing a tracker watch that you'll wear during all of your workouts. I don't take my phone with me everywhere that I go, so I don't see how it's an accurate tracking method for steps.

You don't have to wear a tracker during all workouts if you plan on manually entering in the workout with more accurate info.

I can wear my Fitbit during a bike ride and get totally worthless stats of steps, distance, and calorie burn.
As soon as I log the workout based on Garmin data, it's replaced.
So I could have left the Fitbit off in that case.

Most the devices assume that if there are no steps, you are at BMR level burn for that time - like sleeping.
So something is counted, just not as high as reality perhaps is if like standing, or lifting, or swimming.

If the correct data isn't enter in later - you merely have an underestimated daily burn.

The swim would have replaced a chunk of time the iPhone had no data on because as you said it's a swim.
So you are replacing no step/distance/extra calorie burn stats with whatever the swim stats are.

It's perfectly fine method and should not result in any problems.

I can't speak to the underlying math question, but I would point out that the newer Apple Watches can be worn while swimming, so if this is what @ryenday is using, there wouldn't be a data gap - you just start and end the workout as usual and the synch hypothetically takes care of the rest.

Yes, I wear my watch while swimming, rowing, walking, biking, etc. I do not manually enter any workouts, they are all synced from the Apple Watch. I only start a workout for walking on the watch if I am going to be walking a mile or more every other ‘walking’ is in steps.

heybales

ryenday wrote: »

LOL. I’m gonna just say it’s broken.

Yes - that is an example of broken, having 2 adjustments.

A Press and hold on one of those adjustments doesn't give detail like time of that info?


So from above comment - that is the Apple sync that is creating those workout names?
Now that's pretty good syncing - Garmin does similar but they use their own workout names.
Apple sure appears to be using the MFP database names. Then again, it's a public common database, so perhaps understandable.

ryenday

heybales wrote: »

ryenday wrote: »

LOL. I’m gonna just say it’s broken.

Yes - that is an example of broken, having 2 adjustments.

A Press and hold on one of those adjustments doesn't give detail like time of that info?


So from above comment - that is the Apple sync that is creating those workout names?
Now that's pretty good syncing - Garmin does similar but they use their own workout names.
Apple sure appears to be using the MFP database names. Then again, it's a public common database, so perhaps understandable.

Yeah, I don’t choose the workouts, somewhere between Apple Watch and MFP they choose an MFP workout automatically in the sync. Of course, several workouts don’t sync at all like the watch entry for “Water Fitness” or “”Flexibility” or HIIT — But the ones that sync do sync nicely.

Details on the steps entries don’t give any details - just the device that is responsible and whether negative adjustments are enabled. No time given. That is via the iPhone MFP app.

toddandwendy3

I cant get google fit or samsung health to adjust my calories in MFP.

heybales

toddandwendy3 wrote: »

I cant get google fit or samsung health to adjust my calories in MFP.

MFP actually does all adjusting - after they receive a sync of current daily calorie burn from the 3rd party service.

So either that service isn't getting updates from the app, or the app isn't getting updates from the device.

If the app in both those cases shows calorie burn that matches what the device says, then app server may not be syncing to the account server. Which are not the same.
Confirm that by logging into your account through a web browser and making sure it's at same value.

Do syncs of food go the other direction?

Then you may have to tell the MFP app in settings that the source of your steps is that 3rd party device - can pick only 1 though.

laurarosa89

I am having the same problem. I have read the thread and totally get what people have said about the calories just for living through the day etc however, it still doesn’t make sense to me. Example- Sunday I had a rest day, MFP counted steps from my Fitbit which added in 700 odd calories. On Friday, I did a workout in the morning and a run in the evening and it counted 650 odd calories as when I put in exercise it doesn’t count my steps. This morning I had burned 30 or so calories in steps then did my workout and it went back down to zero meaning if I have a rest day it counts calories burnt from steps and on all the other days where I exercise twice a day it doesn’t meaning I get more of a calorie allowance when I do no exercise than when I do, it doesn’t really make sense to me.

heybales

laurarosa89 wrote: »

I am having the same problem. I have read the thread and totally get what people have said about the calories just for living through the day etc however, it still doesn’t make sense to me. Example- Sunday I had a rest day, MFP counted steps from my Fitbit which added in 700 odd calories. On Friday, I did a workout in the morning and a run in the evening and it counted 650 odd calories as when I put in exercise it doesn’t count my steps. This morning I had burned 30 or so calories in steps then did my workout and it went back down to zero meaning if I have a rest day it counts calories burnt from steps and on all the other days where I exercise twice a day it doesn’t meaning I get more of a calorie allowance when I do no exercise than when I do, it doesn’t really make sense to me.

You are not syncing with a Fitbit account. Where Fitbit sends to MFP calorie burn info for the day, or step figures.

You have merely selected in your MFP app to get a count of steps from a Fitbit device. That's all, no other info.

MFP has no idea if steps is for exercise, the expected part of daily living they already account for, or extra movement steps beyond what they account for.

The calories from those steps is super rough anyway as distance is totally estimated.
They have no idea when you entered a workout how many of the steps/calories is now already known in your workout and should not be double-counted separate - so it removes the calories.

Since you have a device with account that will sync with MFP account (when it's working well) - you should really disable that step source setting from Fitbit.
Go to MFP Apps and sync to Fitbit account.
Take it from there.
Don't enter workouts on MFP since they are on Fitbit already.