What your opinion on the keto diet?

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  • 2t9nty
    2t9nty Posts: 1,628 Member
    edited November 2017
    Lounmoun wrote: »
    If you like following a keto diet then do it. If you have trouble following it long term then don't.

    These are wise words.

    I like it and it works for me. I totally understand if something else is working for another person.

  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    edited November 2017
    2t9nty wrote: »
    Orphia wrote: »
    You want my opinion?

    I think it needlessly complicates CICO for the vast majority of people.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, some people who've been doing it a short time SAY they can do it for life. Funny how there's just a handful who've done it barely 2 years (see my first point).

    /IMHO

    This could be. I have only been doing it for about 14 months. I am not only doing it for weight loss. I am a T2D, and it keeps my glucose levels low. I brought my A1C down to 5.5, and my doctor reduced my metformin dose. Lipid panels improved and I am off my statin. BP is teetering on the edge of my doctor taking me off my BP med. Liver enzymes are at the low end of the normal range after 20 years of being too high. It has worked well for me. So far it has looked pretty sustainable, and the results have encouraged me to stick with it. Maybe all that will change, but I don't think so.

    Most of the long term keto/LC folks on MFP are in the low carb forum.

    Congrats on the improved health stats! You didn’t mention if you lost weight. Did keto help you maintain enough of a calorie deficit to lose weight?

    ETA: nm—just saw your later post about the 105
    Pounds lost. Again, congrats. While keto is obviously the way for you to lose weight, how do you know if it was the diet or weight loss that contributes to your improved health? If you had done keto and maintained your weight, do you think your health markers would have improved like they did with your weight loss?

    This is the reason I always emphasize the calorie deficit as being key for weight loss and not how I achieved it. Because that will vary for each person. there’s nothing magical about the food combinations I eat or the supplements I take.
  • 2t9nty
    2t9nty Posts: 1,628 Member
    edited November 2017
    Psychgrrl wrote: »

    Congrats on the improved health stats! You didn’t mention if you lost weight. Did keto help you maintain enough of a calorie deficit to lose weight?

    I lost 40 lbs in 10 months counting calories with a diet composed of about 50% carbs, and I was hungry all the time. I switched to LC 14 months ago and have lost another 65 lbs. For me, the appetite went way down when I cut the carbs, and it was very easy to maintain a caloric deficit. Energy and sense of well-being have been excellent for me with the lower carbs.

    Initially I was at 50 carb grams, but my glucose readings were better on the days I was well under on the carbs. I cut the carbs to 20 to see if it made a significant difference with the glucose over time, and it did. I have been keto for about 14 months, and I am very happy with the diet. Hunger is well controlled for me. I enjoy the foods I am eating, and it seems pretty natural.



  • 2t9nty
    2t9nty Posts: 1,628 Member
    edited November 2017
    Psychgrrl wrote: »
    While keto is obviously the way for you to lose weight, how do you know if it was the diet or weight loss that contributes to your improved health? If you had done keto and maintained your weight, do you think your health markers would have improved like they did with your weight loss?

    This is the reason I always emphasize the calorie deficit as being key for weight loss and not how I achieved it. Because that will vary for each person. there’s nothing magical about the food combinations I eat or the supplements I take.

    I think we were posting at the same time. The glucose responded to the keto 65 lbs ago. That one is easy.

    I suspect the cholesterol is a combination of the keto and the wieght loss, but there are too many variables.

    Who knows with the liver enzymes? It is probably a combination, although I lost weight 20 years ago with exercise and a high carb diet, and the enzymes were first high then.

    The BP is probably a function of the weight loss. That has come down slowly as I have lost weight.

    Throughout the process from calorie counting to keto, I was trying to determine my caloric needs and stay under that number by 500 calories a day. I am trying to lose a pound a week and have been more or less on target. For me, I think the keto diet has made that easier. I would do it just for the improved glucose readings if I were not losing weight with it too. It is my hope to get completely off the metformin and control the glucose with diet. I intend to stick with the keto when I hit my goal weight for that reason.

  • Jigglypuff00
    Jigglypuff00 Posts: 267 Member
    This is my own personal experience. Last year, I tracked my blood glucose levels and blood pressure and watched my caloric intake over a 2 month period. I didn't stop eating bread or pasta, just ate less. I'm not much of a cookie/cake/ice cream eater. Carbs for me was mainly bread and pasta. My weight loss was slow despite eating at a 400 calorie deficit. My bg levels did not drop. My bp remained the same or was higher. Eventually after 2 months of that, I quit because I didn't see much difference in any aspect.

    So this year, a couple of friends started the Keto woe. I was impressed with their results. But still skeptical. I finally decided to give it a try on October 1st. Within the first week, I dropped 5 pounds. I couldn't do that last year in two weeks! My blood glucose dropped down to around 120 mg/dl range. My blood pressure remained higher though.

    The second week, I lost another 4 pounds. My blood glucose dropped down to an avg of 105 most mornings. My blood pressure came down to within a normal range. After a month, I had lost 16 pounds and 4 inches off my waist. Today, I am down 23 pounds. My morning bg reading is below 100, my blood pressure was 110/65. I am not hungry all the time. I don't have cravings for sugar. I had blood work done last week. Everything is within normal range. I do have a little bit higher than normal LDL. But until I see my doctor again in two weeks, I don't know if it's lower than last year. But everything else is now normal, including my HbA1c. I still have a ways to go with that, but it's no longer in the high range.

    Do I miss being able to eat pasta and bread? Sure, of course. But considering that my blood sugar would hit over 200 before, I guess I prefer having healthy kidneys and not going on dialysis until they can find a donor kidney for me. I still have a long way to go before I reach a healthy BMI, but for me this time? That goal is reachable. I can see it.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    I'd recommend low carbs. I like fruit too much to go full keto. Grains are unnecessary for everyday foods. Fruits, veggies, grass fed meat, eggs, cheese, fish, seafood, nuts, seeds, seaweeds, and mushrooms are most of the foods I eat. Exercise is very important as well, like walking and weightlifting.

    Just to point out, no specific food is necessary for everyday foods.

    I guess that's true. I'm pretty much against grains most of the time but I do eat them when traveling.

    Fair enough. I eat them daily because the fiber helps satiate me and good for GI health.

    Lettuce, kale, and other greens also avocados, berries, walnuts, and sunflower seeds all have fiber as well and they are very satiating especially lots of greens. They can take some time getting used to though.

    I eat probably more twice the amount of non starchy vegetables as the average person out of preference, yet nothing satisfied my hunger as well as grains/starchy vegetables. Meat has to be paired with grains or potatoes for my meal to be satisfying. Eggs without bread have me rummaging the fridge an hour later. No one food is necessary, but for my personal calorie control grains are necessary (and tasty).
  • Jigglypuff00
    Jigglypuff00 Posts: 267 Member
    I couldn't lose weight on it (in fact gained a bit) because it didn't feel satisfying physical or mentally so I ended up overeating. It also triggered depression and messed with my hormones, among other things. The food choices were mostly unappealing and the volume felt lacking. So, my opinion: it may be for some, but it's not for me. Just like any diet in the world, its efficacy depends on its sustainability.

    Yes, any diet works as long as it is sustainable to the individual. For me, its keto. But it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle. I still miss bread and pasta, but I am so addicted to them, I know if I go back to eating them I'll be right back to where I was. Spaghetti squash is ok, but so not pasta! And I've yet to try keto friendly bread. I miss grapefruit but not as much as I thought I would. I still eat strawberries and other berries.

    I am looking ahead. When my weight drops down to an acceptable level for me, I am going to try just eating low carb. I'll up my carbs like 10 grams a week and see how it goes. If I start to gain weight, then I'll know what my body responds to. I know I'll never be able to eat a huge plate of spaghetti with 2 helpings of bread again. A small portion of spaghetti with no bread? Maybe. But that might be a trigger and I can't go back to the black hole again.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Well, there is a rise in diabetes in the past 20 years, it has nearly doubled. For sure, fruit is not the sole cause of it, but thinking that as long as you are consuming fruit you will be fine is not right. A medium apple has around 25 grams of carbs. Yes, there is fiber in that apple, but at least 19 grams of it is sugar. A banana has around 27 grams of carbs. 14 of those are sugar. An orange has 11 grams of carbs, 9 of those are sugar. A donut has an average of 25 grams of carbs, and an average of 9 grams of sugar. Going by those numbers alone, a donut appears to be the healthier choice!

    I could go on and on. Fruits are delicious little packages filled with sweet goodness. But just as pre-diabetes, I wouldn't eat donuts in large quantities, I shouldn't have assumed that fruit is safe because it has "natural" sugar. There are so many healthier options to get your daily nutrition requirements in.

    My personal experience: I was just a couple of points away from being officially diagnosed with diabetes, lost weight, now my blood sugar is in the low normal range, did not reduce my carbs during the process, and ate fruits nearly daily. The increase in diabetes is not caused by fruit consumption, it's caused by more people being obese which increases the risk for diabetes.

    Here is my dinner today, 97 grams of carbs in one meal, and this is typical of how I eat. My A1C is perfect

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    Yep, this is my experience as well. I had 113 grams of carbohydrates in my breakfast today (mostly from beans, teff, and pomegranate seeds). I'm not worried about it because I've been eating this way for a while and I know from how I feel and my blood test results that it works well for me.

    When I was overweight, my blood test results were not as good. The difference now isn't my diet (high in carbohydrates then, high in carbohydrates now), the difference is that I'm eating appropriate *quantities* of food and my body weight is now within a healthy range.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    My A1c was pretty perfect too. I never worried about how much carbohydrates I was consuming. Until I became diabetic. Other than potatoes, pasta & bread, my main source of carbs was fruit. I ate a lot of fruit! I love apples, bananas and oranges. Grapefruits were my favorite. I wasn't a big cake/pie/candy eater. Those were treats I reserved for special occasions. Fruits and veggies were a mainstay though. I don't think it was the veggies that pushed me over the edge into diabetes. It could've been the pasta/bread/potatoes maybe. But even those weren't consumed on a daily basis. I had fruit every day because it's healthy. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.

    Well, all that sugar made me crave more sugar. Putting limits on certain foods is ok. It really is.

    I suspect you were also overweight and/or inactive? Do you have a family history or diabetes.

  • lucerorojo
    lucerorojo Posts: 790 Member
    I already stated my reasons for not liking the idea of keto (as I've never done, only lo-carb, Atkins derived). I'm glad that some people have had success in treating their diabetes by adhering to a keto or lo carb diet. If it works for them and they can sustain it, more power to them. I sustained the lo carb for 6 years then I had a situation in which I had to eat more carbs and I didn't know how to deal with it so I fell off the wagon. I wasn't calorie counting then. The positive thing with calorie counting, no matter what diet you are following, you can control your portions and intake.

    That said, I don't agree with the idea that FRUIT is a big cause of the diabetes epidemic. It definitely makes sense to limit fruit if you are pre-diabetic, diabetic and/or think it is a gateway food for you when it comes to sugar. I personally don't feel that fruit is that for me. I now enjoy an apple as much as I used to enjoy a piece of cake, and don't have cravings for cake anymore. Eating well for my meals--foods that are nutritious AND that I enjoy, has greatly diminished my sweet tooth.

    I agree with others that the obesity epidemic (which is not caused by eating too much fruit I don't think) is driving the diabetes. I would agree if you said fruit JUICES contribute to obesity, especially in the case of children, since I think there have been studies that link overconsumption of sugary drinks (including juices) to a rise in obesity.
  • youngmomtaz
    youngmomtaz Posts: 1,075 Member
    I am Keto and have been solid in this way of eating for only 3 months. Before that I was was on and off and on again a lot over about a 3 year span. I fell into keto while researching migraine treatments. Meds do not work at all for me and while reading I found info on Keto and epilepsy. My doc had wanted to put me on an anti epileptic(the one drug I have refused to try), claiming that migraine and epilepsy were closely related.

    A few great reactions my body has had:
    1. My migraines are MIA completely when I eat 30gm of carb or less. 2. General daily head pain(not migraine) that has plagued me since I was a child is also gone. 3. Blood levels say I am free of the threat of type 2 diabetes. I was told I was prediabetic about 6 years ago. 4. When I limit calories I lose easily. 5. My extreme sugar cravings and subsequent huge intake of baked goods with seemingly no control are amazingly well controlled on Keto. It puts me in a great headspace when I don’t feel driven by sweet things and wake up in the night and wonder if I can sneak to the kitchen and grab a cookie(or 5) without anyone hearing me.

    I fell into and out of this way of eating a lot in the first few years. It is hard to maintain when I am not in my own kitchen. Eating out is no problem, but spending time at inlaws, and my own families homes for weekends is where I find difficulty. Also, I love to bake and cook. Once I found recipes that worked for me and taste good, things like bread substitutes, and the occasional sweet treat, I was able to maintain my food choices fairly easily. This will be more difficult for someone who can’t or won’t experiment with things like this.

    I plan on staying Keto as much as possible throughout my life. I have set up some guidelines for myself to make it so I don’t feel deprived. I get a weekend a month where I can have up to 100gm of carb/day. This allows for birthdays, seasonal fruit and veg, and PMS recovery days. I also get one day each on thanksgiving, Christmas, and my birthday for higher carb, and when I go on holiday during the winter so I can sample all the local foodstuffs. I still follow a hard no! Rule when it comes to gluten. But the higher carb days add variety and interest to life and to tracking my symptoms and body reactions. For me this is not feeling unsustainable. It might if I was just using it for weight loss, but to have so many days of my life back that migraine was taking away is amazing!
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