BCAAs?
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Unless you work out fasted there is very little benefit to them as long as you get adequate protein in your total diet.
Not something I'd spend my money on.
https://examine.com/supplements/branched-chain-amino-acids/
Even if you work out fasted, there is very little benefit. See thread in above post.
Where does it say that they have no benefit fasted?
Genuine question as I know your advice is solid.
I only read that protein powder could be more beneficial than bcaa if protein in the diet is lacking.
Read the links in the post I copied. They have no benefit period. They are an incomplete amino acid profile. Basically useless. It's all there.
I read the link but don't see any mention of training in a fasted state?
Of course they are incomplete, they are a branch of 3 out of 20.
So, as an incomplete protein they do nothing. Fasted or otherwise. Useless. If your training fasted, have a complete source of protein soon after for max Muscle Protein Synthesis. Or better yet, a quick protein shake with a little carbs before training. There is no benefit to training fasted.
I know that there is no benefit to training fasted, that isn't what you just posted though.
I said that BCAAS had no benefit unless you trained fasted.
You said that was incorrect and posted studies which I can't see where it posts that that isn't true?
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Unless you work out fasted there is very little benefit to them as long as you get adequate protein in your total diet.
Not something I'd spend my money on.
https://examine.com/supplements/branched-chain-amino-acids/
Even if you work out fasted, there is very little benefit. See thread in above post.
Where does it say that they have no benefit fasted?
Genuine question as I know your advice is solid.
I only read that protein powder could be more beneficial than bcaa if protein in the diet is lacking.
Read the links in the post I copied. They have no benefit period. They are an incomplete amino acid profile. Basically useless. It's all there.
I read the link but don't see any mention of training in a fasted state?
Of course they are incomplete, they are a branch of 3 out of 20.
So, as an incomplete protein they do nothing. Fasted or otherwise. Useless. If your training fasted, have a complete source of protein soon after for max Muscle Protein Synthesis. Or better yet, a quick protein shake with a little carbs before training. There is no benefit to training fasted.
I know that there is no benefit to training fasted, that isn't what you just posted though.
I said that BCAAS had no benefit unless you trained fasted.
You said that was incorrect and posted studies which I can't see where it posts that that isn't true?
Quote above is a summary from the studies. If they have produce no anabolic response, what good would they be for training, fasted or not?Both of these intravenous infusion studies found that BCAAs decreased muscle protein synthesis as well as protein breakdown, meaning a decrease in muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state in which the rate of muscle protein breakdown exceeded the rate of muscle protein synthesis persisted during BCAA infusion. We conclude that the claim that consumption of dietary BCAAs stimulates muscle protein synthesis or produces an anabolic response in human subjects is unwarranted.0 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Unless you work out fasted there is very little benefit to them as long as you get adequate protein in your total diet.
Not something I'd spend my money on.
https://examine.com/supplements/branched-chain-amino-acids/
Even if you work out fasted, there is very little benefit. See thread in above post.
Where does it say that they have no benefit fasted?
Genuine question as I know your advice is solid.
I only read that protein powder could be more beneficial than bcaa if protein in the diet is lacking.
Read the links in the post I copied. They have no benefit period. They are an incomplete amino acid profile. Basically useless. It's all there.
I read the link but don't see any mention of training in a fasted state?
Of course they are incomplete, they are a branch of 3 out of 20.
So, as an incomplete protein they do nothing. Fasted or otherwise. Useless. If your training fasted, have a complete source of protein soon after for max Muscle Protein Synthesis. Or better yet, a quick protein shake with a little carbs before training. There is no benefit to training fasted.
I know that there is no benefit to training fasted, that isn't what you just posted though.
I said that BCAAS had no benefit unless you trained fasted.
You said that was incorrect and posted studies which I can't see where it posts that that isn't true?
Quote above is a summary from the studies. If they have produce no anabolic response, what good would they be for training, fasted or not?Both of these intravenous infusion studies found that BCAAs decreased muscle protein synthesis as well as protein breakdown, meaning a decrease in muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state in which the rate of muscle protein breakdown exceeded the rate of muscle protein synthesis persisted during BCAA infusion. We conclude that the claim that consumption of dietary BCAAs stimulates muscle protein synthesis or produces an anabolic response in human subjects is unwarranted.
I'm not sure what you think that shows?
Training fasted means your protein isn't optimum as we don't store it. We don't hook up to an intravenous drip.1 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Unless you work out fasted there is very little benefit to them as long as you get adequate protein in your total diet.
Not something I'd spend my money on.
https://examine.com/supplements/branched-chain-amino-acids/
Even if you work out fasted, there is very little benefit. See thread in above post.
Where does it say that they have no benefit fasted?
Genuine question as I know your advice is solid.
I only read that protein powder could be more beneficial than bcaa if protein in the diet is lacking.
Read the links in the post I copied. They have no benefit period. They are an incomplete amino acid profile. Basically useless. It's all there.
I read the link but don't see any mention of training in a fasted state?
Of course they are incomplete, they are a branch of 3 out of 20.
So, as an incomplete protein they do nothing. Fasted or otherwise. Useless. If your training fasted, have a complete source of protein soon after for max Muscle Protein Synthesis. Or better yet, a quick protein shake with a little carbs before training. There is no benefit to training fasted.
I know that there is no benefit to training fasted, that isn't what you just posted though.
I said that BCAAS had no benefit unless you trained fasted.
You said that was incorrect and posted studies which I can't see where it posts that that isn't true?
Quote above is a summary from the studies. If they have produce no anabolic response, what good would they be for training, fasted or not?Both of these intravenous infusion studies found that BCAAs decreased muscle protein synthesis as well as protein breakdown, meaning a decrease in muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state in which the rate of muscle protein breakdown exceeded the rate of muscle protein synthesis persisted during BCAA infusion. We conclude that the claim that consumption of dietary BCAAs stimulates muscle protein synthesis or produces an anabolic response in human subjects is unwarranted.
I'm not sure what you think that shows?
Training fasted means your protein isn't optimum as we don't store it. We don't hook up to an intravenous drip.
So then it makes sense to supplement with an incomplete protein that will have no anabolic effect and does not enhance with Muscle Protein Synthesis? It's not really complicated in my view. If I'm going to supplement with amino acids, it's going to be for MPS. That is the only reason for a protein supplement. If not for that anabolic effect, why would I take an amino acid supplement? What would make BCAAs better than plain water as an example?0 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Unless you work out fasted there is very little benefit to them as long as you get adequate protein in your total diet.
Not something I'd spend my money on.
https://examine.com/supplements/branched-chain-amino-acids/
Even if you work out fasted, there is very little benefit. See thread in above post.
Where does it say that they have no benefit fasted?
Genuine question as I know your advice is solid.
I only read that protein powder could be more beneficial than bcaa if protein in the diet is lacking.
Read the links in the post I copied. They have no benefit period. They are an incomplete amino acid profile. Basically useless. It's all there.
I read the link but don't see any mention of training in a fasted state?
Of course they are incomplete, they are a branch of 3 out of 20.
So, as an incomplete protein they do nothing. Fasted or otherwise. Useless. If your training fasted, have a complete source of protein soon after for max Muscle Protein Synthesis. Or better yet, a quick protein shake with a little carbs before training. There is no benefit to training fasted.
I know that there is no benefit to training fasted, that isn't what you just posted though.
I said that BCAAS had no benefit unless you trained fasted.
You said that was incorrect and posted studies which I can't see where it posts that that isn't true?
Quote above is a summary from the studies. If they have produce no anabolic response, what good would they be for training, fasted or not?Both of these intravenous infusion studies found that BCAAs decreased muscle protein synthesis as well as protein breakdown, meaning a decrease in muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state in which the rate of muscle protein breakdown exceeded the rate of muscle protein synthesis persisted during BCAA infusion. We conclude that the claim that consumption of dietary BCAAs stimulates muscle protein synthesis or produces an anabolic response in human subjects is unwarranted.
I'm not sure what you think that shows?
Training fasted means your protein isn't optimum as we don't store it. We don't hook up to an intravenous drip.
Think of it like this; BCAAs are the equivalent of having a match without the wood for a fire. If your goal is to maximize MPS and protein turnover, you need all amino acids.1 -
The research would not agree with you. In what way do you find them beneficial?I supplement with BCAA's and find them beneficial. Will they be beneficial for you, I can't answer that.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10594549/new-research-on-bcaas-dont-waste-your-money/p1
One study means jack *kitten* to me. I can do a study, and the findings will be what I want them to be. How honest is the study, you have no idea. Amino's have aided my recovery.
Its a meta analysis by very respected members of the fitness community. And a meta analysis > single study.1 -
Additional info from Alan Aragon re: BCAAs with a list of 8 supporting studies and a jissn article. The consensus is they are not only not beneficial but can potentially inhibit the optimal use of ingested amino acids.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=alan aragon1
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