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myles1230
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Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow? Do we really need pre workout and protein powders? Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?Example: People who are incarcerated in prison! They only get 3 meals a day, and the meals given are not packed with protein and essential nutrients, they don’t have access to protein powders,pre workout,creatine ,etc. and are limited to weight lifting and exercise equipment, but yet still somehow are able to get and be massive and ripped! Explain the science behind that?!! It makes you wonder.... what to believe? What to follow? Random thoughts...
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There's a lot of broscience out there..6
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RunRutheeRun wrote: »There's a lot of broscience out there..
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Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow?
No. But for some people it might make it easier (not me, I dislike eating lots of small meals), although it still has zero to do with metabolism.Do we really need pre workout and protein powders?
No, of course not, but for some people protein powder might make it easier.Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?
No.
But I suspect most of us don't buy into these kinds of things. This is why we fight woo (and bro science).3 -
Off topic a little....but you mention the nutrition (or lack thereof) given to inmates in prison. I thought this was interesting:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-nutrition-multivitamins-prisoners-prison-tb-wheat-germ-1222-story.html
And as for everything else...yeah...if I saw it on my Facebook feed, it must be true, right?1 -
Or, read better things.6
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Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow? Do we really need pre workout and protein powders? Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?Example: People who are incarcerated in prison! They only get 3 meals a day, and the meals given are not packed with protein and essential nutrients, they don’t have access to protein powders,pre workout,creatine ,etc. and are limited to weight lifting and exercise equipment, but yet still somehow are able to get and be massive and ripped! Explain the science behind that?!! It makes you wonder.... what to believe? What to follow? Random thoughts...
The things you mentioned are stuff you see in clickbait titles, FB posts, or MLM sales pitches. People who want you to think they're experts but are trying to sell you something.
I develop trust in sources over time. Do they link to relevant studies, that actually have value and say what the article suggested they say? Is their advice consistent, or always changing based on one new study or what the current fad is? Is the advice logical, can I understand why I should do it?
In general, if someone is saying you have to buy something special to look good, feel good, be healthy and then offers to sell it to you - you don't need it.
Based on advice from trusted sources and a preponderance of evidence I've seen posted in this forum over the years, combined with my own common sense and logic, my answers would be:
No, it doesn't matter how many meals you eat. Total calories in/calories out determine whether you gain or lose weight. Your body can't tell time, and we wouldn't have survived this long if we were so delicate that our bodies needed everything on a specific schedule for optimum performance.
Of course you don't NEED pre/post workout products, but some people find it makes it easier for them to get the right calories and macros they need. You could just eat food instead.
I have never heard anyone say you need 1.5g protein per lb of body weight, maybe that's a gym bro thing. At this point I don't remember where, but I have always understood the optimal level for muscle repair is 1g per lean body weight, or 0.6-0.8g per total body weight.4 -
TeacupsAndToning wrote: »Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow? Do we really need pre workout and protein powders? Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?Example: People who are incarcerated in prison! They only get 3 meals a day, and the meals given are not packed with protein and essential nutrients, they don’t have access to protein powders,pre workout,creatine ,etc. and are limited to weight lifting and exercise equipment, but yet still somehow are able to get and be massive and ripped! Explain the science behind that?!! It makes you wonder.... what to believe? What to follow? Random thoughts...
I'm not sure I believe you
Believe me about?2 -
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Our metabolism is remarkably stable. Small changes occur in the short term (known as adaptive thermogenesis) which increases/decreases in response to the amount of food ingested over time. Think of this like a fire - the more fuel, the hotter the fire and the shorter burn. Less fuel results in lower heat. All of this balances out over 48 hours and trends toward you BMR.0
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Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow? Do we really need pre workout and protein powders? Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?Example: People who are incarcerated in prison! They only get 3 meals a day, and the meals given are not packed with protein and essential nutrients, they don’t have access to protein powders,pre workout,creatine ,etc. and are limited to weight lifting and exercise equipment, but yet still somehow are able to get and be massive and ripped! Explain the science behind that?!! It makes you wonder.... what to believe? What to follow? Random thoughts...
I should believe you because this is on the internet, right? Just pulling your leg.
People spend a lot of time in prison, years or decades. And they don't have much else to do. Give me 30 years of less than optimal training, and I'll get more jacked than most people who try for a month and give up, too.7 -
If you hang out here, you’ll find that we have discussed and either explained or dismissed those topics long ago.2
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AAS are easier to get in prison than on the street2
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That's the type of broscience that you find on click bate sites.
Stick to scientific sources.1 -
A question to go along with the rest in the OP: Do we really need BCAAs?
(Rhetorical - science has already told us the answer to this one.)
[ETA:] If one gets their information from reliable, evidence-based sources instead of broscience and clickbait "fitness" websites, all those questions are easily (and correctly) answered.4 -
I think it's pretty easy...if it defies rational thought, logic, and basic common sense, then it's BS. We are highly evolved beings...if things were that complicated we would have died off eons ago.
Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to be lacking in basic analytical skills and I have no idea when common sense left them.
That said, I've never heard 1.5 grams of protein per Lb of body weight...1 gram per Lb of LBM is typical for competitive strength athletes and body builders and physique competitors. These types of things become somewhat more important when you're talking about elite level athletics...not so much for the average Joe/Jane trying to be fit and healthy.3 -
I find the worst/most frequent source of broscience and downright cobblers comes from young males in gyms.
Maybe it's the confirmation bias because it's so easy to get big and strong when you are young, new to training and male?
It's only later perhaps they realise they made progress despite their dumb training methods and diet woo rather than because of them.
Pre-workout, BCAAs intra-workout, protein shake afterwards and all they did was ten varieties of dumbbell curls.
Youth is wasted on the young. :grumble: :grumble:
(Exit grumpy old man stage left......)14 -
Maybe the OP should apply that same logic to the things he heard about diet soda?13
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Not much of a question. If you believe everything you read without looking at multiple sources and applying a critical lens, your likely to flounder about from one scheme to another. Of course some will be successful. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »
Not much of a question. If you believe everything you read without looking at multiple sources and applying a critical lens, your likely to flounder about from one scheme to another. Of course some will be successful. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Or as I've seen it put: People sometimes manage to succeed in spite of what they do rather than because of what they do.5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »
Not much of a question. If you believe everything you read without looking at multiple sources and applying a critical lens, your likely to flounder about from one scheme to another. Of course some will be successful. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Or as I've seen it put: People sometimes manage to succeed in spite of what they do rather than because of what they do.
Yours is more accurate.0 -
Wait, is protein powder a gimmick too? I rely on it in my shakes for lunch 5 out of 7 days!0
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nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Not much of a question. If you believe everything you read without looking at multiple sources and applying a critical lens, your likely to flounder about from one scheme to another. Of course some will be successful. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Or as I've seen it put: People sometimes manage to succeed in spite of what they do rather than because of what they do.
Yours is more accurate.
I'm trying to remember exactly how Rippetoe put it. Something to the effect of if you're a young male beginner, every program works for 6 months, even the bad ones.1 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »Wait, is protein powder a gimmick too? I rely on it in my shakes for lunch 5 out of 7 days!
The answer to that question requires some context:
If you're not getting adequate protein in your diet, protein powders can be beneficial. They're a good way to boost your protein intake without a lot of excess calories.
If you're already getting adequate protein in your diet, protein powders will do nothing markedly beneficial for you.2 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »Wait, is protein powder a gimmick too? I rely on it in my shakes for lunch 5 out of 7 days!
The answer to that question requires some context:
If you're not getting adequate protein in your diet, protein powders can be beneficial. They're a good way to boost your protein intake without a lot of excess calories.
If you're already getting adequate protein in your diet, protein powders will do nothing markedly beneficial for you.
Thanks for the clarification, appreciate it.
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fake news! fake news!1
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Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow? Do we really need pre workout and protein powders? Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?Example: People who are incarcerated in prison! They only get 3 meals a day, and the meals given are not packed with protein and essential nutrients, they don’t have access to protein powders,pre workout,creatine ,etc. and are limited to weight lifting and exercise equipment, but yet still somehow are able to get and be massive and ripped! Explain the science behind that?!! It makes you wonder.... what to believe? What to follow? Random thoughts...
Well, having spent a number of years on a State Vacation in my youth I can possibly shed some light on the "science" behind this.
Yes, 3 "free" meals a day - but they are large calorie dense meals with plenty of protein... also, you eat with your race and within that race you eat with a specific group. There are always folks who don't finish their meals for whatever reason and food is passed around. You also usually have someone on the line you know who can usually get away with doubling your portions if you ask.
You also get commissary once a week. There is a certain stigma attached to being indigent and on most yards you work - even if it's the yard crew you make some money that goes on your books. If not, you are expected to have a "hustle" or family to place funds into your account. You would be amazed at what you can get through the commissary and some don't even eat in the dining facilities and just make their own food. You can even cook - as stingers can be made from things like headphones and were even eventually allowed to be bought. Heck, some guys ran their own "stores" and you could always approach them for anything from soups to a bag of pot roast.
Guys get big because we had nothing to do but lift, eat, and sleep... and you got plenty of each.
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jseams1234 wrote: »Do we really need to be eating 6-7 small meals per day to speed up metabolism and to grow? Do we really need pre workout and protein powders? Do we really need 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight to grow?Example: People who are incarcerated in prison! They only get 3 meals a day, and the meals given are not packed with protein and essential nutrients, they don’t have access to protein powders,pre workout,creatine ,etc. and are limited to weight lifting and exercise equipment, but yet still somehow are able to get and be massive and ripped! Explain the science behind that?!! It makes you wonder.... what to believe? What to follow? Random thoughts...
Well, having spent a number of years on a State Vacation in my youth I can possibly shed some light on the "science" behind this.
Yes, 3 "free" meals a day - but they are large calorie dense meals with plenty of protein... also, you eat with your race and within that race you eat with a specific group. There are always folks who don't finish their meals for whatever reason and food is passed around. You also usually have someone on the line you know who can usually get away with doubling your portions if you ask.
You also get commissary once a week. There is a certain stigma attached to being indigent and on most yards you work - even if it's the yard crew you make some money that goes on your books. If not, you are expected to have a "hustle" or family to place funds into your account. You would be amazed at what you can get through the commissary and some don't even eat in the dining facilities and just make their own food. You can even cook - as stingers can be made from things like headphones and were even eventually allowed to be bought. Heck, some guys ran their own "stores" and you could always approach them for anything from soups to a bag of pot roast.
Guys get big because we had nothing to do but lift, eat, and sleep... and you got plenty of each.
Thanks man!1 -
I think that anything that starts with a defintive number (in regards to human biology) such as protein intake, calorie intake, exact amount of sleep - all of which should be looked at but also questioned. Human biology is so so so complex that those numbers mock those of us who read and research. There are just too many factors.
I agree that it's broscience, not completely disconnected from reality but not a "truth" written in stone.5
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