RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: » They just take your money, ask anything you like on here and posters will help you for free.
rybo wrote: » I have a different take than the typical MFP mindset that nobody needs to pay for anything and all that's required is tracking and a calorie deficit. Precision nutrition coaches should set you up with "how" to sustainably reach that calorie deficit by implementing a program to create habits and a mindset that no one here is going to do for you. Many people struggle, because they have no individual guidance or accountability. It's not just telling you what to eat, it's creating small changes that build over time. I think it can be very beneficial to those who aren't having success on their own. Disclaimer: I am not a PN coach,but I am familiar with the program and have several friends who are.
kommodevaran wrote: » Don't pay to be told what to eat. Most people know what and how much to eat, we are just overwhelmed by tips and advice and rules. Don't feed that monster. Use MFP as it's designed, (pre)log your meals and hit your target(s) every day, that is where the magic starts.
lemurcat12 wrote: » I think it's better to figure out for yourself how to have a good sustainable diet as opposed to having someone else do it for you.
Dnarules wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » I think it's better to figure out for yourself how to have a good sustainable diet as opposed to having someone else do it for you. But you actually do it yourself in PN. The thing I have found most useful are the daily lessons (every day but Saturday). In the beginning the lessons centered around determining why and when you overeat. We didn't even get to nutrition until several weeks later. There is a worksheet you can use after a really bad eating day (overeating) that helps you pinpoint what circumstances may have lead it. They do encourage keeping a food log short term at one point to help identify which foods/meals may be working for you, and which do not. They encourage you to add good sources of protein, vegetables, and complex carbs to your meals. I am not encouraging anyone to spend money on this. I'm just trying to correct what I think are misconceptions. They don't tell you what to eat. They give guidelines.
lemurcat12 wrote: » Dnarules wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » I think it's better to figure out for yourself how to have a good sustainable diet as opposed to having someone else do it for you. But you actually do it yourself in PN. The thing I have found most useful are the daily lessons (every day but Saturday). In the beginning the lessons centered around determining why and when you overeat. We didn't even get to nutrition until several weeks later. There is a worksheet you can use after a really bad eating day (overeating) that helps you pinpoint what circumstances may have lead it. They do encourage keeping a food log short term at one point to help identify which foods/meals may be working for you, and which do not. They encourage you to add good sources of protein, vegetables, and complex carbs to your meals. I am not encouraging anyone to spend money on this. I'm just trying to correct what I think are misconceptions. They don't tell you what to eat. They give guidelines. First, I totally admit that I am kind of biased on this, and I'm not entirely sure where it's coming from. However, I am not assuming hat they give you a specific meal plan (I did think they probably gave you macros or the like or some structure, and if they are encouraging you to add protein, veg, and complex carbs they are -- and wouldn't someone already know to do that?). The kinds of things you mention are the things I have worked on on my own, and find important, but in my head -- and again this may not make actual sense -- it seems valuable to figure those things out on one's own (or I should say "on my own") vs. having someone else do it (based on their own preconceptions). For example, I think structure is important for eating, and figured out that for me eating three meals, not snacking, seems to work. I sort of intuitively realized that eating meals structured around protein, vegetables, and some starch (but that can vary a lot based on calorie goal) plus some healthy fat as accent works well. Someone else telling me how to structure a meal is something I react against, it seems like I wouldn't learn that way but just do it without understanding why it works, the underlying point. Same with things like seeing how foods work or not -- good advice, but isn't that what one does with MFP, normally? Look at how things go and make changes? When I first started MFP, I journaled about eating and stopped and I should probably go back to it (it was helpful for a while and I've been struggling with emotional eating again). For some reason those things seem sensible and good, but as soon as they become someone else telling me what to do it feels like it would be "one size fits all" and substituting someone else's judgment for my own. Like I said, this may not make sense, as I have no issue with the idea of following a preset strength training program as a starting point or being taught how to structure my own from someone else vs. figuring it all out from the beginning. I really am not sure why the idea of selling "how to plan your diet" seems so wrong to me, except that that basics do strike me as really simple and the rest needs to be personal (IMO) to be workable. Some do better following plans, probably, whereas other people's plans often make me feel rebellious (even if my own plan is really conventional and similar to standard nutrition advice, heh).
dym1 wrote: » If you can afford it, I don't think it would hurt to get some professional guidance for a few months to help get you started or you can just get conflicting advice from random strangers on the internet.
lynn_glenmont wrote: » dym1 wrote: » If you can afford it, I don't think it would hurt to get some professional guidance for a few months to help get you started or you can just get conflicting advice from random strangers on the internet. Are Precision Nutrition coaches professional in any sense other than that they get paid? (I.e., do they they training, education, certificates, a professional licensing board that oversees their practices?)
dym1 wrote: » lynn_glenmont wrote: » dym1 wrote: » If you can afford it, I don't think it would hurt to get some professional guidance for a few months to help get you started or you can just get conflicting advice from random strangers on the internet. Are Precision Nutrition coaches professional in any sense other than that they get paid? (I.e., do they they training, education, certificates, a professional licensing board that oversees their practices?) There's this wonderful invention called "Google", use it.
rybo wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » Dnarules wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » I think it's better to figure out for yourself how to have a good sustainable diet as opposed to having someone else do it for you. But you actually do it yourself in PN. The thing I have found most useful are the daily lessons (every day but Saturday). In the beginning the lessons centered around determining why and when you overeat. We didn't even get to nutrition until several weeks later. There is a worksheet you can use after a really bad eating day (overeating) that helps you pinpoint what circumstances may have lead it. They do encourage keeping a food log short term at one point to help identify which foods/meals may be working for you, and which do not. They encourage you to add good sources of protein, vegetables, and complex carbs to your meals. I am not encouraging anyone to spend money on this. I'm just trying to correct what I think are misconceptions. They don't tell you what to eat. They give guidelines. First, I totally admit that I am kind of biased on this, and I'm not entirely sure where it's coming from. However, I am not assuming hat they give you a specific meal plan (I did think they probably gave you macros or the like or some structure, and if they are encouraging you to add protein, veg, and complex carbs they are -- and wouldn't someone already know to do that?). The kinds of things you mention are the things I have worked on on my own, and find important, but in my head -- and again this may not make actual sense -- it seems valuable to figure those things out on one's own (or I should say "on my own") vs. having someone else do it (based on their own preconceptions). For example, I think structure is important for eating, and figured out that for me eating three meals, not snacking, seems to work. I sort of intuitively realized that eating meals structured around protein, vegetables, and some starch (but that can vary a lot based on calorie goal) plus some healthy fat as accent works well. Someone else telling me how to structure a meal is something I react against, it seems like I wouldn't learn that way but just do it without understanding why it works, the underlying point. Same with things like seeing how foods work or not -- good advice, but isn't that what one does with MFP, normally? Look at how things go and make changes? When I first started MFP, I journaled about eating and stopped and I should probably go back to it (it was helpful for a while and I've been struggling with emotional eating again). For some reason those things seem sensible and good, but as soon as they become someone else telling me what to do it feels like it would be "one size fits all" and substituting someone else's judgment for my own. Like I said, this may not make sense, as I have no issue with the idea of following a preset strength training program as a starting point or being taught how to structure my own from someone else vs. figuring it all out from the beginning. I really am not sure why the idea of selling "how to plan your diet" seems so wrong to me, except that that basics do strike me as really simple and the rest needs to be personal (IMO) to be workable. Some do better following plans, probably, whereas other people's plans often make me feel rebellious (even if my own plan is really conventional and similar to standard nutrition advice, heh). Your logic/argument/view is pretty skewed and severely biased to the point it's of no help in this thread because it's so far out. People get help and coaching in so many different aspects of life yet you feel nutritional coaching isn't worth it. And self admitted that your opinion doesn't make sense. It's a bit insulting to anyone who has sought help and that anyone who offer those services is a money grubbing hack.
Dnarules wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » Dnarules wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » I think it's better to figure out for yourself how to have a good sustainable diet as opposed to having someone else do it for you. But you actually do it yourself in PN. The thing I have found most useful are the daily lessons (every day but Saturday). In the beginning the lessons centered around determining why and when you overeat. We didn't even get to nutrition until several weeks later. There is a worksheet you can use after a really bad eating day (overeating) that helps you pinpoint what circumstances may have lead it. They do encourage keeping a food log short term at one point to help identify which foods/meals may be working for you, and which do not. They encourage you to add good sources of protein, vegetables, and complex carbs to your meals. I am not encouraging anyone to spend money on this. I'm just trying to correct what I think are misconceptions. They don't tell you what to eat. They give guidelines. First, I totally admit that I am kind of biased on this, and I'm not entirely sure where it's coming from. However, I am not assuming hat they give you a specific meal plan (I did think they probably gave you macros or the like or some structure, and if they are encouraging you to add protein, veg, and complex carbs they are -- and wouldn't someone already know to do that?). The kinds of things you mention are the things I have worked on on my own, and find important, but in my head -- and again this may not make actual sense -- it seems valuable to figure those things out on one's own (or I should say "on my own") vs. having someone else do it (based on their own preconceptions). For example, I think structure is important for eating, and figured out that for me eating three meals, not snacking, seems to work. I sort of intuitively realized that eating meals structured around protein, vegetables, and some starch (but that can vary a lot based on calorie goal) plus some healthy fat as accent works well. Someone else telling me how to structure a meal is something I react against, it seems like I wouldn't learn that way but just do it without understanding why it works, the underlying point. Same with things like seeing how foods work or not -- good advice, but isn't that what one does with MFP, normally? Look at how things go and make changes? When I first started MFP, I journaled about eating and stopped and I should probably go back to it (it was helpful for a while and I've been struggling with emotional eating again). For some reason those things seem sensible and good, but as soon as they become someone else telling me what to do it feels like it would be "one size fits all" and substituting someone else's judgment for my own. Like I said, this may not make sense, as I have no issue with the idea of following a preset strength training program as a starting point or being taught how to structure my own from someone else vs. figuring it all out from the beginning. I really am not sure why the idea of selling "how to plan your diet" seems so wrong to me, except that that basics do strike me as really simple and the rest needs to be personal (IMO) to be workable. Some do better following plans, probably, whereas other people's plans often make me feel rebellious (even if my own plan is really conventional and similar to standard nutrition advice, heh). I feel like you're saying that the fact that this program is helping me means I am a sheep and I don't feel like figuring out myself.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I learned a lot in 2012/2013 when I used mfp to lose weight. But I still ended up failing. So I'm trying this program with mfp to help solidify habits. The program has forced me to answer questions I hadn't even considered. I'm still doing the work. You're in these forums as much as I am, if not more. People struggle and have problems figuring things out all the time. And this isn't a preset eating plan. I don't know where people are getting that idea.
lemurcat12 wrote: » ...I get angry about people charging for dieting advice, basically, and usually they have their own "one right way" to do it -- which does not mean a preset meal plan. I've seen stuff from PN that suggested that counting calories doesn't work and exaggerates how important the inaccuracies are, for example, that led me to put them in that category and I am inherently skeptical about dieting advice to pay for (other than a dietitian for someone who needed that kind of help). I really DON'T think this makes me so unusual or way out, as others suggested; I think seeing what we do at MFP it's a good starting place, to be skeptical of those who try to sell dieting services as necessary or providing some huge advantage (I don't mean you, I don't think you are selling anything)...
AnvilHead wrote: » lemurcat12 wrote: » ...I get angry about people charging for dieting advice, basically, and usually they have their own "one right way" to do it -- which does not mean a preset meal plan. I've seen stuff from PN that suggested that counting calories doesn't work and exaggerates how important the inaccuracies are, for example, that led me to put them in that category and I am inherently skeptical about dieting advice to pay for (other than a dietitian for someone who needed that kind of help). I really DON'T think this makes me so unusual or way out, as others suggested; I think seeing what we do at MFP it's a good starting place, to be skeptical of those who try to sell dieting services as necessary or providing some huge advantage (I don't mean you, I don't think you are selling anything)... I saw the exact same kind of stuff from PN and that was what turned me off to them. I've read a lot of their stuff in the past that was pretty solid, but I think they jumped the shark at some point and started getting off base and too esoteric. I now can't shake a feeling that they're at least somewhat shady/woo-ey because of their CICO denial stuff.
lynn_glenmont wrote: » dym1 wrote: » lynn_glenmont wrote: » dym1 wrote: » If you can afford it, I don't think it would hurt to get some professional guidance for a few months to help get you started or you can just get conflicting advice from random strangers on the internet. Are Precision Nutrition coaches professional in any sense other than that they get paid? (I.e., do they they training, education, certificates, a professional licensing board that oversees their practices?) There's this wonderful invention called "Google", use it. dym1 wrote: » lynn_glenmont wrote: » dym1 wrote: » If you can afford it, I don't think it would hurt to get some professional guidance for a few months to help get you started or you can just get conflicting advice from random strangers on the internet. Are Precision Nutrition coaches professional in any sense other than that they get paid? (I.e., do they they training, education, certificates, a professional licensing board that oversees their practices?) There's this wonderful invention called "Google", use it. You're the one who made the claim about "professional guidance." I think it's up to you to offer evidence that the guidance is, in fact, professional.
